[Talk-ca] Road designations

2014-12-11 Thread Adam Martin
I have a question for the group regarding the designation of various roads
within city regions. Specifically, with reference to primary, secondary,
and tertiary roads. What exactly is the criteria being used to designate a
road as one or the other? I know that the wiki provides guidance, but it
does not appear that the guidance is always followed.

For example, this is an area inside Montreal:

​As you can see, there are two secondary one-way roads here (orange) and a
yellow tertiary road connecting them together in the lower right. I cannot
fathom why that roadway would be tertiary - it's just a simple connection
between the roads and should likely not be considered tertiary. Especially
given the guidance on the wiki *The highway
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=tertiary tag is used for
roads connecting smaller settlements, and within large settlements for
roads connecting local centres. In terms of the transportation network,
OpenStreetMap tertiary roads commonly also connect minor streets to more
major roads.*

Here is another example along the same roadway in Montreal:

​Here we see a similar connection as before, but this one is designated as
a residential road. But we also get to see a very interesting thing occur -
the two one-way secondary roads suddenly transform into two tertiary
one-way roads. The problem here is that there does not seem to be a reason
for that changeover in the road type; the road continues as two one-way
roads through the Parc industriel d'Anjou area. The position of the change
also appears to be random or arbitrary.

I'm seeking a bit of clarification. I like to be cautious with changing
road types in regions just in case there is a reason I am not aware of for
them to be designated in this way.

Thanks,

Adam
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Re: [Talk-ca] Road designations

2014-12-11 Thread Jonathan Crowe
Your example road looks like an edit in progress: someone changing the road
from tertiary to secondary and leaving it unfinished. (Lord knows I've done
that plenty of times: starting an edit, discovering it's *much* bigger or
more complicated than I thought it was when I started it, and having to
stop midway through and come back to it later -- sometimes much later.)
Changing road types can be a messy process, especially when you're dealing
with a CanVec import that breaks the road into individual segments at each
intersection.

In the first case, the connection should be a secondary_link, not a
tertiary or tertiary_link, I think.

In the second case, it would be appropriate to continue the edit, changing
the rest of the road from one to the other, whichever you think is the best
type for the road in question.

The map is never in a finished state.



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Adam Martin s.adam.mar...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have a question for the group regarding the designation of various roads
 within city regions. Specifically, with reference to primary, secondary,
 and tertiary roads. What exactly is the criteria being used to designate a
 road as one or the other? I know that the wiki provides guidance, but it
 does not appear that the guidance is always followed.

 For example, this is an area inside Montreal:

 As you can see, there are two secondary one-way roads here (orange) and a
 yellow tertiary road connecting them together in the lower right. I cannot
 fathom why that roadway would be tertiary - it's just a simple connection
 between the roads and should likely not be considered tertiary. Especially
 given the guidance on the wiki *The highway
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway=tertiary tag is used for
 roads connecting smaller settlements, and within large settlements for
 roads connecting local centres. In terms of the transportation network,
 OpenStreetMap tertiary roads commonly also connect minor streets to more
 major roads.*

 Here is another example along the same roadway in Montreal:

 Here we see a similar connection as before, but this one is designated as
 a residential road. But we also get to see a very interesting thing occur -
 the two one-way secondary roads suddenly transform into two tertiary
 one-way roads. The problem here is that there does not seem to be a reason
 for that changeover in the road type; the road continues as two one-way
 roads through the Parc industriel d'Anjou area. The position of the change
 also appears to be random or arbitrary.

 I'm seeking a bit of clarification. I like to be cautious with changing
 road types in regions just in case there is a reason I am not aware of for
 them to be designated in this way.

 Thanks,

 Adam

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