Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 project

[john whelan]

The problem with the project in basically its an idea.

In Ottawa we had a huge advantage with having the building outlines
available in Open Data that could be carefully imported.  Then anyone could
add tags and they did.

To move the project forward and make it more general I think we need to
split it up into tasks and these should be aimed at a particular target
audience.

We know we have interest from schools and universities but what can we give
them as a task that makes sense from both sides.  Can we point them to some
stats that have been extracted from OSM and the buildings?

JOSM and the building tool works well but does need some planning.  Based
on experience with HOT mappers laptops without mice using iD is not
conducive to high data quality.  "Real soon now" a building tool for iD may
arrive.

Adding the number of levels to a building adds value and we should be able
to suggest to even inexperienced people ways they can do this.

Adding an address to a building makes more sense if we ask inexperienced
mappers to add the numbers.  Someone with JOSM can highlight a group and
add the street name.

Is it commercial or residential?  This would be nice but there are a range
of values for building.  Perhaps rewrite the wiki to list the common values.

Which software fits which profile of mappers?  JOSM is wonderful but a
smartphone app is more useful if you only have a smartphone.

Note that all these things are general and for many parts of the world
would form a basic database of what is there.

So I suggest from a technical point of view what is in the wiki is OK but
what it needs desperately is an introduction for new mappers with pointers
(tutorials?) as to how they can assist the process.

Sound reasonable?

Thanks John

On 7 February 2018 at 09:48, Javier Carranza 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I am a technical writer and also a geoinformation pro. What can  I do for
> you guys?
>
> Is this still needed?
>
> Best
>
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> On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:21 PM, john whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> I've added an introduction which sums it up.
>>
>> If I'm polite about it there is material in the wiki which suggest
>> bringing building footprints using automated tools such as image scanners
>> and imports are the way forward.  Scanning hasn't been accepted by OSM and
>> imports have their own set of issuse.  If I'm not polite about it there is
>> much that needs to be stripped out.
>>
>> The text could do with being rewritten.  It appears to me to be long
>> winded and aspires to many things but seems short on practicalities.
>>
>> Do we have any technical writers who could look it over?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 28 January 2018 at 19:50, OSM Volunteer stevea <
>> stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And...you're off and running (better and better).
>>>
>>> This is a process, everybody.  Nobody wants to be slapping anybody
>>> around.  I like the way we've been polite and patient with each other here.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> SteveA
>>>
>>> > On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Matthew Darwin 
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Inline
>>> > On 2018-01-28 07:38 PM, john whelan wrote:
>>> >> We have lots of people talking about this.
>>> >
>>> > Yay!
>>> >
>>> >> We have a wiki page somewhere that covers some ground.  Could someone
>>> remind me of the address?
>>> >
>>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Build
>>> ing_Canada_2020
>>> >
>>> > needs lots of improvements.  I started.  I see Steve A did a bunch as
>>> well.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Do we have anyone willing to project manage this? It is a very big
>>> project with lots of aspects and complications to it.
>>> >
>>> > I have not heard of any. I am willing to

Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 project

[Javier Carranza]

Hi there,

I am a technical writer and also a geoinformation pro. What can  I do for
you guys?

Is this still needed?

Best

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*, GeoCensos@geocensos*Skype: javiercarranza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7TKVurhKoU&authuser=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cfdYdQHZVY&authuser=1

https://youtu.be/HrGIA5Zzpc0
https://youtu.be/gJQzhM52Zp0
Colombia Mobile:(57) 1 3112112
Panama Mobile: (507) 688 - 04892
www.geocensos.com
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el permiso expreso del representante legal de Fundación Geocensos, pues su
contenido puede ser de carácter confidencial y/o contener material
privilegiado. Si usted recibió esta información por error, por favor
contacte en forma inmediata a quien la envió y borre este material de su
computador. La Fundación GeoCensos no es responsable por la información
contenida en esta comunicación, el directo responsable es quien la firma o
el autor de la misma."

On Sun, Jan 28, 2018 at 9:21 PM, john whelan  wrote:

> I've added an introduction which sums it up.
>
> If I'm polite about it there is material in the wiki which suggest
> bringing building footprints using automated tools such as image scanners
> and imports are the way forward.  Scanning hasn't been accepted by OSM and
> imports have their own set of issuse.  If I'm not polite about it there is
> much that needs to be stripped out.
>
> The text could do with being rewritten.  It appears to me to be long
> winded and aspires to many things but seems short on practicalities.
>
> Do we have any technical writers who could look it over?
>
> Thanks
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 28 January 2018 at 19:50, OSM Volunteer stevea <
> stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:
>
>> And...you're off and running (better and better).
>>
>> This is a process, everybody.  Nobody wants to be slapping anybody
>> around.  I like the way we've been polite and patient with each other here.
>>
>> Regards,
>> SteveA
>>
>> > On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
>> >
>> > Inline
>> > On 2018-01-28 07:38 PM, john whelan wrote:
>> >> We have lots of people talking about this.
>> >
>> > Yay!
>> >
>> >> We have a wiki page somewhere that covers some ground.  Could someone
>> remind me of the address?
>> >
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Build
>> ing_Canada_2020
>> >
>> > needs lots of improvements.  I started.  I see Steve A did a bunch as
>> well.
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Do we have anyone willing to project manage this? It is a very big
>> project with lots of aspects and complications to it.
>> >
>> > I have not heard of any. I am willing to help some, but it really needs
>> to be a full-time person (or bunch of people to make it to full time).
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Do we have a list of attributes that should be added to buildings?  If
>> they aren't on the wiki then I think they should be.
>> >
>> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Build
>> ing_Canada_2020#The_data_being_mapped
>> >
>> > Although I think the list is impractical... how to get all the
>> attributes listed?
>> >
>> >> I am aware of public wif, levels, use ie commercial, residential.
>>  There are some tiles set up somewhere for mapping and validation.
>> >>
>> >> Could we have a pointer to them please if they aren't on the wiki
>> already.
>> >>
>> >> We have interest from schools and universities do we have any material
>> that could be used for them?
>> >>
>> >> Do we have a "hello to help with this project please use Bing imagery
>> with JOSM building_tool plugin on the following tiles.  If you use iD
>> please be very careful and map the building outlines exactly."
>> >>
>> >> and "this is how you add a tag?"
>> >>
>> > Needs to be added.  The folks doing Ottawa buildings recently probably
>> have the best experiences to provide guidence to newbies.  Also probably
>> should be a template for the tasking manager to point at.  (For all the
>> building related tasks).
>> >
>> > If the Ottawa/Gatineau experience teaches us anything, I suspect that
>> doing buildings is going to be a multi-step process per
>> municipality/region/province.   Import stuff, manually map stuff, add more
>> tags, whatever...  ie going from zero buildings to "perfect" buildings in
>> one shot is not reasonable.
>> >
>> >
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Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 project

[Matthew Darwin]

I think we can politely re-factor out much stuff.  :-)   Now that we 
seem to have more folks looking into things, I am a bit more motivated 
to spend time on it.


Tech writer type folks would be great to have.


Matthew Darwin
matt...@mdarwin.ca
http://www.mdarwin.ca

On 2018-01-28 09:21 PM, john whelan wrote:

I've added an introduction which sums it up.

If I'm polite about it there is material in the wiki which suggest 
bringing building footprints using automated tools such as image 
scanners and imports are the way forward.  Scanning hasn't been 
accepted by OSM and imports have their own set of issuse.  If I'm 
not polite about it there is much that needs to be stripped out.


The text could do with being rewritten.  It appears to me to be long 
winded and aspires to many things but seems short on practicalities.


Do we have any technical writers who could look it over?


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Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 project

[john whelan]

I've added an introduction which sums it up.

If I'm polite about it there is material in the wiki which suggest bringing
building footprints using automated tools such as image scanners and
imports are the way forward.  Scanning hasn't been accepted by OSM and
imports have their own set of issuse.  If I'm not polite about it there is
much that needs to be stripped out.

The text could do with being rewritten.  It appears to me to be long winded
and aspires to many things but seems short on practicalities.

Do we have any technical writers who could look it over?

Thanks

Cheerio John

On 28 January 2018 at 19:50, OSM Volunteer stevea  wrote:

> And...you're off and running (better and better).
>
> This is a process, everybody.  Nobody wants to be slapping anybody
> around.  I like the way we've been polite and patient with each other here.
>
> Regards,
> SteveA
>
> > On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
> >
> > Inline
> > On 2018-01-28 07:38 PM, john whelan wrote:
> >> We have lots of people talking about this.
> >
> > Yay!
> >
> >> We have a wiki page somewhere that covers some ground.  Could someone
> remind me of the address?
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/
> Building_Canada_2020
> >
> > needs lots of improvements.  I started.  I see Steve A did a bunch as
> well.
> >
> >>
> >> Do we have anyone willing to project manage this? It is a very big
> project with lots of aspects and complications to it.
> >
> > I have not heard of any. I am willing to help some, but it really needs
> to be a full-time person (or bunch of people to make it to full time).
> >
> >>
> >> Do we have a list of attributes that should be added to buildings?  If
> they aren't on the wiki then I think they should be.
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/
> Building_Canada_2020#The_data_being_mapped
> >
> > Although I think the list is impractical... how to get all the
> attributes listed?
> >
> >> I am aware of public wif, levels, use ie commercial, residential.
>  There are some tiles set up somewhere for mapping and validation.
> >>
> >> Could we have a pointer to them please if they aren't on the wiki
> already.
> >>
> >> We have interest from schools and universities do we have any material
> that could be used for them?
> >>
> >> Do we have a "hello to help with this project please use Bing imagery
> with JOSM building_tool plugin on the following tiles.  If you use iD
> please be very careful and map the building outlines exactly."
> >>
> >> and "this is how you add a tag?"
> >>
> > Needs to be added.  The folks doing Ottawa buildings recently probably
> have the best experiences to provide guidence to newbies.  Also probably
> should be a template for the tasking manager to point at.  (For all the
> building related tasks).
> >
> > If the Ottawa/Gatineau experience teaches us anything, I suspect that
> doing buildings is going to be a multi-step process per
> municipality/region/province.   Import stuff, manually map stuff, add more
> tags, whatever...  ie going from zero buildings to "perfect" buildings in
> one shot is not reasonable.
> >
> >
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> > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org
> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
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Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 project

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

And...you're off and running (better and better).

This is a process, everybody.  Nobody wants to be slapping anybody around.  I 
like the way we've been polite and patient with each other here.

Regards,
SteveA

> On Jan 28, 2018, at 4:47 PM, Matthew Darwin  wrote:
> 
> Inline
> On 2018-01-28 07:38 PM, john whelan wrote:
>> We have lots of people talking about this.
> 
> Yay!
> 
>> We have a wiki page somewhere that covers some ground.  Could someone remind 
>> me of the address?
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020
> 
> needs lots of improvements.  I started.  I see Steve A did a bunch as well.
> 
>> 
>> Do we have anyone willing to project manage this? It is a very big project 
>> with lots of aspects and complications to it.
> 
> I have not heard of any. I am willing to help some, but it really needs to be 
> a full-time person (or bunch of people to make it to full time).
> 
>> 
>> Do we have a list of attributes that should be added to buildings?  If they 
>> aren't on the wiki then I think they should be.
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_being_mapped
> 
> Although I think the list is impractical... how to get all the attributes 
> listed?
> 
>> I am aware of public wif, levels, use ie commercial, residential.   There 
>> are some tiles set up somewhere for mapping and validation.
>> 
>> Could we have a pointer to them please if they aren't on the wiki already.
>> 
>> We have interest from schools and universities do we have any material that 
>> could be used for them?  
>> 
>> Do we have a "hello to help with this project please use Bing imagery with 
>> JOSM building_tool plugin on the following tiles.  If you use iD please be 
>> very careful and map the building outlines exactly."
>> 
>> and "this is how you add a tag?"
>> 
> Needs to be added.  The folks doing Ottawa buildings recently probably have 
> the best experiences to provide guidence to newbies.  Also probably should be 
> a template for the tasking manager to point at.  (For all the building 
> related tasks).
> 
> If the Ottawa/Gatineau experience teaches us anything, I suspect that doing 
> buildings is going to be a multi-step process per 
> municipality/region/province.   Import stuff, manually map stuff, add more 
> tags, whatever...  ie going from zero buildings to "perfect" buildings in one 
> shot is not reasonable.
> 
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Re: [Talk-ca] BC2020 project

[Matthew Darwin]

Inline

On 2018-01-28 07:38 PM, john whelan wrote:

We have lots of people talking about this.


Yay!

We have a wiki page somewhere that covers some ground.  Could 
someone remind me of the address?


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020

needs lots of improvements.  I started.  I see Steve A did a bunch as 
well.




Do we have anyone willing to project manage this? It is a very big 
project with lots of aspects and complications to it.


I have not heard of any. I am willing to help some, but it really 
needs to be a full-time person (or bunch of people to make it to full 
time).




Do we have a list of attributes that should be added to buildings? 
If they aren't on the wiki then I think they should be.


https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020#The_data_being_mapped

Although I think the list is impractical... how to get all the 
attributes listed?


I am aware of public wif, levels, use ie commercial, residential. 
There are some tiles set up somewhere for mapping and validation.


Could we have a pointer to them please if they aren't on the wiki 
already.


We have interest from schools and universities do we have any 
material that could be used for them?


Do we have a "hello to help with this project please use Bing 
imagery with JOSM building_tool plugin on the following tiles.  If 
you use iD please be very careful and map the building outlines 
exactly."


and "this is how you add a tag?"

Needs to be added.  The folks doing Ottawa buildings recently probably 
have the best experiences to provide guidence to newbies. Also 
probably should be a template for the tasking manager to point at.  
(For all the building related tasks).


If the Ottawa/Gatineau experience teaches us anything, I suspect that 
doing buildings is going to be a multi-step process per 
municipality/region/province.   Import stuff, manually map stuff, add 
more tags, whatever...  ie going from zero buildings to "perfect" 
buildings in one shot is not reasonable.



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