Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Fwd: Re: [Tagging] Friendliness with attacked mapped places in Paris

[osm . sanspourriel]

Sa toute dernière phrase me semble intéressante :
> PS: would we have to link all the memorials to a specific event via a 
relation? I have no idea about that.
Et peut-être généralisable : créer une relation entre tous les lieux des 
attentats avec tag Wikipedia ou mieux Wikidata.

Là, on apporte quelque chose (le lien entre les lieux des attentats).

Jean-Yvon

Le 15/11/2015 05:21, Jean-Guilhem Cailton - j...@arkemie.com a écrit :

Bonjour,

Je vous fais suivre aussi cette réponse de John, parmi d'autres sur la 
liste "Tagging", bien qu'elle soit entièrement en anglais, parce 
qu'elle m'a particulièrement touché, avec son autre façon d'exprimer 
sa solidarité, apparemment depuis le Japon.


Faute de temps, je traduis juste ce paragraphe final (il existe des 
traducteurs en ligne pour ceux qui ne lisent pas l'anglais et 
voudraient avoir une idée du contenu, ou peut-être que le reste du 
texte inspirera un autre traducteur volontaire) :
"Also, mappers in Paris, please know there are people around the world 
(literally) who would love to give you a big hug, and wishing for your 
safety and that you were not personally affected by these attacks. 
Please map the memorials as meticulously as you can when they are made. "


"Aussi, mappeurs de Paris, s'il vous plaît sachez qu'il y a des gens 
tout autour du monde (littéralement) qui adoreraient vous serrer dans 
leurs bras, et qui forment des vœux pour votre sécurité et pour que 
vous n'ayez pas été personnellement affectés par ces attaques. S'il 
vous plaît, cartographiez les plaques ou monuments commémoratifs aussi 
méticuleusement que vous pourrez quand ils seront faits."


Thank you very much John.

Jean-Guilhem

https://twitter.com/jgVisov
membre de l'équipe de https://twitter.com/VISOV1


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[Jean-Guilhem Cailton]

Bonjour,

Je vous fais suivre aussi cette réponse de John, parmi d'autres sur la
liste "Tagging", bien qu'elle soit entièrement en anglais, parce qu'elle
m'a particulièrement touché, avec son autre façon d'exprimer sa
solidarité, apparemment depuis le Japon.

Faute de temps, je traduis juste ce paragraphe final (il existe des
traducteurs en ligne pour ceux qui ne lisent pas l'anglais et voudraient
avoir une idée du contenu, ou peut-être que le reste du texte inspirera
un autre traducteur volontaire) :
"Also, mappers in Paris, please know there are people around the world
(literally) who would love to give you a big hug, and wishing for your
safety and that you were not personally affected by these attacks.
Please map the memorials as meticulously as you can when they are made. "

"Aussi, mappeurs de Paris, s'il vous plaît sachez qu'il y a des gens
tout autour du monde (littéralement) qui adoreraient vous serrer dans
leurs bras, et qui forment des vœux pour votre sécurité et pour que vous
n'ayez pas été personnellement affectés par ces attaques. S'il vous
plaît, cartographiez les plaques ou monuments commémoratifs aussi
méticuleusement que vous pourrez quand ils seront faits."

Thank you very much John.

Jean-Guilhem

https://twitter.com/jgVisov
membre de l'équipe de https://twitter.com/VISOV1


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> On Nov 15, 2015, at 3:35 AM, Frederik Ramm  > wrote:
>
> Yes, a tragedy has happened, or more precisely a horrific crime; and
> yes, you and I and many others wish to extend our hearfelt condolences
> to the victims and their families. But OpenStreetMap is not the right
> medium to do that.

>> But let us hope that vandalism will not be added to terrorism.
>
> That's exactly what you are inviting here. You may have the best
> intentions but you're doing the wrong thing.

+1


The stories coming out of Paris are heartbreaking. 

Seeing the french flag pop up on websites - it appeared on Amazon.co.jp
 almost as soon as I read of the attacks - gets one
into the mood of “me too” for our own web sites, and OSM is no exception
to this feeling.

I ordered a French flag to fly on our School’s flagpole on Monday. at
school from Amazon Japan. I feel that is a display that people can see
and understand. 

But we must refrain from doing this via the OSM dataset.

Adding comments into the data that will invite further note tagging that
is unrelated to the actual mapping data is not a good idea. 

Perhaps having a “Open Memory Map” or something to help document
people’s experiences (good ) as related to specific geographic
places would be a good idea, but that is not the goal of the OSM dataset
(AFAIK). 

I assume in the coming months (or years) there will be plaques and
monuments erected to the victims, both Big and small - a tiny brass
plaque, a planted tree in a park, a memorial made to a specific person
who died. While individually we can fly a flag or wear a pin, donate
money or directly work to help victims where possible,


OSM’s job is to faithfully map and document those plaques, memorials,
and related objects. 


On the one or five year anniversaries of the attacks, when the memorials
are built and the speeches and political rhetoric has died down, we can
make a special link on the OSM page that links to a collection of large
public and small personal memorials that people click to see on OSM, and
using the website & wikipedia tags - read about the memorials (as most
people can’t visit France directly) or point people to read about an
ordinary person that died, memorialized by a tiny overlooked plaque on a
bench or tree in a normally unnoticed section of a park - possibly
outside of France if they were from somewhere else.

Us announcing that we added a note is not going to get much worthwhile
press, while everyone is still reading about the bloodshed and hearing
the politicians speak.  It will invite further notes. And what we offer
on the map is not very useful as a map. Everyone knows the locations -
we don’t need to “me too” this. We should offer a “native” memorial in
our data by mapping the memorials and linking to them on the anniversary
via the OSM front page and shared via social media.

That is how OSM can honor the victims of these attacks:  To help people
not forget the victims. To help people find out about an ordinary person
memorialized by a lonely plaque somewhere - keeping their memory alive -
as after we pass away, we exist only in memory. Keeping their memory
alive is a noble thing to do. 

I hope we don’t have to map many more memorials - in France or elsewhere.

Solidarité