Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested

2009-09-06 Thread Dan Karran
Frankie,

2009/9/3 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com:

 Using a combination of the GPS traces and the Yahoo satellite photography,
 I've tried to add as much detail to the map as possible:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=53.2258lon=-2.88111zoom=17

It looks great.. I've started recently trying to do something similar
(remotely) for the Wildlife Park on the Isle of Man
(http://osm.org/go/evGwiGNLr- ), but it's difficult without having
been there for a while. So, I went out yesterday to start doing London
Zoo (though without actually going in), which could really benefit
from someone wanting to pay £18 to go in and map for an afternoon :)

http://osm.org/go/euu4T5yf

 Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play
 havock with the paying to get in?

 There is indeed! It's kept completely separate from the zoo though by walls
 on both sides. It's crossed by two bridges and the monorail.

I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to
break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of
it? I've done that with London Zoo which has a road, canal and
tow-path running through it at various points, and is connected using
bridges and a tunnel (or two?).


Dan

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Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested

2009-09-06 Thread Peter Childs
2009/9/6 Dan Karran d...@karran.net:
 Frankie,
 Is there really a bridleway right through the middle? Doesn't that play
 havock with the paying to get in?

 There is indeed! It's kept completely separate from the zoo though by walls
 on both sides. It's crossed by two bridges and the monorail.

 I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to
 break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of
 it? I've done that with London Zoo which has a road, canal and
 tow-path running through it at various points, and is connected using
 bridges and a tunnel (or two?).


Howletts, and Portlympye in Kent also have foot paths ways going
through the middle, Its seams to be quite common. Howletts has a
bridge over the zoo path with a bell for people unable to use the
bridge (so they can be escorted through the part in the zoo)

I have no plans to go and micro-map these at the moment.

Peter

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Re: [Talk-GB] More NaPTAN Counties Uploaded - Bristol and Cheshire East

2009-09-06 Thread Thomas Wood
2009/9/6 Richard Bullock rb...@cantab.net:
 Hello Thomas,

 I am the right one for Cheshire East!

 I was out today and I thought I'd take a photo of one bus stop to see how
 the reference numbers on the bus stop compare with the import data.

This info will be useful to put on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NaPTAN/Local_schemes

 The bus stop had MA0538 on the sign.

 I went to NaPTAN and this one said 0600MA0539

 the one with MA0538 was the one on the opposite side of the road.

 Now my question is; is this likely to be;

 1. a council error - e.g. the contractors have mixed up the signs when
 putting them up
 2. a NaPTAN error - e.g. the numbers have been entered into the database the
 wrong way round for some reason
 3. Something else?

Who knows is the simple answer.

 I'm pretty sure it can't be that the positional errors have led to both
 being shown on the wrong side of the road as the naptan:bearing tags look
 right.

 Are we reporting errors we find to councils/DfT etc.?

 Richard


People on the list have access to the official NaPTAN error report
tool, so if required the error report can be pushed back upstream to
the council to review. I'm not sure on our policy to report back
errors at the moment.
(In fact I'm not sure if the appropriate people from the DfT are
reading talk-gb either, so I'll copy this to talk-transit too... which
I didn't want to clutter further)

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Re: [Talk-GB] More NaPTAN Counties Uploaded - Bristol and Cheshire East

2009-09-06 Thread Frankie Roberto
Thomas wrote:

I'm following the Be Bold motto, and am now uploading the remaining
 NaPTAN counties that have been requested.
 I'll probably do two or three at a time, following the list
 alphabetically, possibly trying to avoid importing counties next to
 each other together.

 Tonight I've uploaded Bristol and Cheshire East.


Nice!  Can I request that the data for Manchester is added? I can't promise
to check it all, but I'd do my bit (and help to spread the word (
http://manchesterbus.typepad.com/ might be interested).

Frankie

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Re: [Talk-GB] Chester Zoo: feedback requested

2009-09-06 Thread Dan Karran
2009/9/6 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com:

 It looks great.. I've started recently trying to do something similar
 (remotely) for the Wildlife Park on the Isle of Man
 (http://osm.org/go/evGwiGNLr- ), but it's difficult without having
 been there for a while.

 Nice. And a miniature railway too! The layout looks a little odd though
 (three separate tracks - I presume they're all linked together?). It'd be
 nice to add some enclosures too.

There are apparently two or three different gauges running, with the
inner part of the middle loop on one and another running around the
length of the circuit outside that loop. They all link up though
apparently. I've just added a relation for them all as well. Next time
I'm home I'll try to add some more info, unless I can get permission
to use details from their own map.

 I almost went to London Zoo yesterday, but ended up going paintballing (it
 was a friend's birthday do).  I'm sure there are some London folk out there
 who could be persuaded to go and map it though... (I might even offer to
 contribute to the entrance fee).

Hopefully :)

 I wonder if it would actually make it clearer in this situation to
 break the zoo into two, so it's clear that the path isn't a part of
 it?

 Good idea - I've just done this. (see http://osm.org/go/eufvD4GO) Not sure
 how big the gap between the two halves should be - I've just guesstimated
 it.  I've also added both 'sides' of the zoo to a 'site' relation (see
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Site), so that tags
 can be shared between them, but I'm not sure how well this is supported in
 the renderers at the moment.

Ah, thanks for the pointer to the site relation.


Cheers,
Dan

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