[Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
Hi all, Just in case you missed it, there is an article in the Guardian about the location of Postboxes and post offices in the UK. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/16/freedom-of-information-postboxes It then leads to the place where we can put this info onto openstreetmap http://www.dracos.co.uk/play/locating-postboxes/ Cheers Bob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:48 AM, Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi all, Just in case you missed it, there is an article in the Guardian about the location of Postboxes and post offices in the UK. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/16/freedom-of-information-postboxes It then leads to the place where we can put this info onto openstreetmap http://www.dracos.co.uk/play/locating-postboxes/ Interesting - however the OSM maps he's using have a large and misleading Powered by Google logo! See http://www.dracos.co.uk/play/locating-postboxes/?pc1=ip33 OSM is properly credited elsewhere but the Google logo is the first thing you see, and I think anyone who isn't an avid OSM-er would assume this is a Google map. Glenn. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
Nice article, though I'm sure there is an inaccuracy there as the Royal Mail don't actually know the exact locations of the post boxes, instead they have a rough description which was provided through the FOI. Shaun On 17 Sep 2009, at 10:48, Bob Kerr wrote: Hi all, Just in case you missed it, there is an article in the Guardian about the location of Postboxes and post offices in the UK. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/sep/16/freedom-of-information-postboxes It then leads to the place where we can put this info onto openstreetmap http://www.dracos.co.uk/play/locating-postboxes/ Cheers Bob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK government postcode/geolocation/nhs information leaked
Doh, without quote marks I mean, not asterisks! hehe. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
Hi, Also I've spoken to Draco in the past, and his website does not sync with OSM. He has tried to get help with a mass import but the discussion was rat-holed due to supposed problem deriving data from Royal Mails postbox list. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-July/002560.html I plan on emailing whoever responded to the original FOI request at Royal Mail and see if we can get explicit permission to use the data. Ciarán ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
Ciarán Mooney wrote: Hi, Also I've spoken to Draco in the past, and his website does not sync with OSM. He has tried to get help with a mass import but the discussion was rat-holed due to supposed problem deriving data from Royal Mails postbox list. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-July/002560.html I plan on emailing whoever responded to the original FOI request at Royal Mail and see if we can get explicit permission to use the data. Ciarán The original list contains a post code which Royal Mail might well be touchy about given the WikiLeak of their postcode DB. The location information is far too vague to position a box without a visit and sometimes a treasure hunt at which point the reference can usually be gathered (if the box hasn't been vandalised) but we can only get the post code from the Royal Mail, so good luck. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] liam123's latest
Two changesets: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510163 reverted cleanly http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510485 failed to revert 410 gone - I suspect there was a node/way changed in the second changeset that was also in the first. The automatic reversion is getting a failure rate of abut half at the moment, so liam123 is steadily degrading map quality because nothing is being done to deal with the manual stuff. David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] liam123's latest
On 17 Sep 2009, at 13:23, David Earl wrote: Two changesets: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510163 reverted cleanly http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2510485 failed to revert 410 gone - I suspect there was a node/way changed in the second changeset that was also in the first. The automatic reversion is getting a failure rate of abut half at the moment, so liam123 is steadily degrading map quality because nothing is being done to deal with the manual stuff. Vandalism has already got to the top on my priority list (along with getting the license changed to avoid loosing too much data when it eventually happens). Who would join a 'talk-counter_vandalism' list or support its creation? Talk-gb and talk-transit (two lists I find very useful) are partly useful because they are focused. I believe a talk-counter_vandalism list would help provide the focus for the many many tools and approaches that could be developed to protect the work done in OSM to data and would result in better tools being created sooned. If we have 4-5 people in the UK then I will propose we request a list and promote it on other lists including talk. Regards, Peter David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
I've been thinking about this for a while. Is he doing anything (legally) wrong? Is he always connecting from the same IP address? Can the login script be amended to point suspect users to a You've been dicking about with the map - we're going to let you continue in the hope that at some point you're going to mature into somebody who wants to be helpful rather than a pain in the backside page? Presumably his IP address is known... Can somebody contact his ISP and get them to do something or forward a letter? Chances are that if it's a kid, mummy and daddy are paying for the Internet connection. Nick. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
On 17/09/2009 14:09, Peter Miller wrote: Who would join a 'talk-counter_vandalism' list or support its creation? Yes. But can we call it something less judgemental: not all incorrect changes are vandalism, and people seeing their account names on such a list would be most depressing. talk-dubious-changes? or some such. David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
On 17/09/2009 14:30, Peter Miller wrote: Possibly a different name would be clearer talk-Counter_vandalism_tools, but that is getting a bit long. Any other ideas or feedback? talk-reversion-tools? ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 2:40 PM, David Earl da...@frankieandshadow.com wrote: On 17/09/2009 14:38, David Earl wrote: On 17/09/2009 14:35, David Earl wrote: Another one at 13:56, also failed to revert http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2511524 changeset upload failed: 412 Precondition Failed Actually, on his page it says still editing. Perhaps that's why and I can have another go as soon as it terminates. Now he has a second open changeset, while the first is still open: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2511982 That's just because Potlatch doesn't close the changeset unless you manually close it. The server will shut down open changesets after 1 hour in inactivity. If you shut down Potlatch, then reopen it it'll start a new changeset. The 412 can happen any time you try to revert something which has been edited since... if he was still editing it's more than likely -- you might need to consider both changesets together to do a proper revert (assuming Frederick's tool lets you do that.. not sure it does). Dave ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
2009/9/17 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com: On 17 Sep 2009, at 14:30, David Earl wrote: On 17/09/2009 14:30, Peter Miller wrote: Possibly a different name would be clearer talk-Counter_vandalism_tools, but that is getting a bit long. Any other ideas or feedback? talk-reversion-tools? Not very inclusive. I want it to also cover 'patrol' software to spot suspicious sorts of dicking around, such as a new contributor moving a bunch of nodes that have been in one place for a length of time. Looking for offensive phrases in tags. Users who have recently had work reverted who make new edits. Possibly methods of rating contributors with white lists for users who don't get reverted and have been editing for some time etc. talk-moderation or talk-moderation_tools? Since this all falls under the umbrella of moderating the edits being made. -- Matt Williams http://milliams.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
I'd join too -- but I doubt I would be of all that much help. JR 2009/9/17 Someoneelse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk Peter Miller wrote: The other question though:- 1) Would you support the existence of such a list? 2) Would you join it? Yes, I'd join. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
I'm pretty sure I heard from somewhere that the post code associated with the post box is actually a post code assosiated with the collection office, and that a house next to it can have a totally different post code. JR 2009/9/17 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net Ciarán Mooney wrote: Hi, Also I've spoken to Draco in the past, and his website does not sync with OSM. He has tried to get help with a mass import but the discussion was rat-holed due to supposed problem deriving data from Royal Mails postbox list. http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2009-July/002560.html I plan on emailing whoever responded to the original FOI request at Royal Mail and see if we can get explicit permission to use the data. Ciarán The original list contains a post code which Royal Mail might well be touchy about given the WikiLeak of their postcode DB. The location information is far too vague to position a box without a visit and sometimes a treasure hunt at which point the reference can usually be gathered (if the box hasn't been vandalised) but we can only get the post code from the Royal Mail, so good luck. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
Hi, We seem unable to contact Liam123 via normal channels. This means we have to think of other ways of contacting members who continually put mistakes into the dataset. Is it not possible to put a flag on his account, so when he logs in he is told what he has been doing and asked to explain himself? Preferably with a form box that forwards the message to this list? Otherwise we are going to go around in circles trying to undo his work, rather than solving the problem. We need to get him on our side rather than just having him toy with something we feel is very important. Ciarán ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Locating Postboxes article Guardian
On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 5:49 PM, John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com wrote: I'm pretty sure I heard from somewhere that the post code associated with the post box is actually a post code assosiated with the collection office, and that a house next to it can have a totally different post code. That seems highly unlikely. In the early 1990's, I was a postie, and the sorting office that I was based in delivered mail to the S66 7xx S66 8xx postcode areas. This page: http://www.dracos.co.uk/play/locating-postboxes/nearest/?s=S66+8 Shows many postboxes that have been located in the area, all with a different postcode. But all those postboxes listed with a postcode starting S66 7 or S66 8 are collected from a single sorting office. Or at least, they were in 1994, and the sorting office that I worked at is still in operation. Russ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
David, David Earl wrote: ... which also won't revert now its closed (changeset upload failed: 409 Conflict) I also hear you talk about automatic reversion which gets a failure rate of about half. Are you sure that you know what you are doing? Because if not then there's a risk that you make things worse. Pardon if I'm doing you injustice but it sounds a bit as if you were just pressing buttons without having given the issue much thought. Have you tried to combine the edits you want to revert and to sort them in a meaningful way for reverting? Have you identified those that don't revert and split up his changesets? etc. It is certainly not a good idea to blindly run the revert script on anything liam123 is doing and if that is what you're attempting then I would urge you to stop that and develop a more sophisticated approach. Bye Frederik ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap's first flight!
Ok, just to let you all know, I have the images on my laptop so should be fine for taking them down to the AGI next week. It's showing as just over 20GB on my snow leopard base 10 laptop ;-) I'm tempted to try uploading them to my server but I imagine it'll take too long so basically I'll make no promises, but see what I can do. Anyone who's at the conference and wants a copy can feel free to ask, though it'll be BYO external HDD/gigabit ethernet cable, multiple USB keys probably won't cut it as it'll be too much of a pain to split them up. John On 14 Sep 2009, at 11:25, John Robert Peterson wrote: I had a gps set with me, and geocoded the images, but the geocoding seems to be off by hundreds of meters (2-3 seconds). I even corrected for time error (with the photo of gps set thing), I suspect there is some lag in the display of my gps set. side note, the new images are up at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/sets/72157622360497142/ -- I appologise if there is duplication of any type. @john -- when and where do you want to meet up? I'm busy on friday but can do any time before then. JR 2009/9/14 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com On 14 Sep 2009, at 08:51, John McKerrell wrote: JR lives just around the corner from me so I should be able to get a copy of the photos onto my laptop. I'm going to the AGI conference next week so if anyone wanted they could then take a copy from me. I might even be able to host them though as he says, it's liable to be just a difficult to navigate collection of filenames. Yes please - do bring the images to the conference for me and anyone else. Thanks. JR - did you take a GPS trace while you were up in the plane? Oddly enough that might help me with the hosting. The images on Flickr are geocoded so I assume he does have a gps trace. Regards, Peter John On 13 Sep 2009, at 23:24, John Robert Peterson wrote: For whoever asked for more wide area images, I went through the collection and picked some more. As such there is a batch of 128 of them uploading as we speak, I will put them in a proper set once they are done, but in the mean time anyone desperate can look here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/ I have all of these at 12MP (or for the few images taken with my backup camera 10MP) if anyone wants one or 2 of them at full res, let me know, I can email them to you. Please let me know how much use these are for people -- I expect the main use for them will be visual reference when making edits. @peter -- It's funny -- I picked a diferent view of the same peice of the town to warp. I suspect that there is a hill in that logation messing things up. I would say that rectifying images in this way only works in areas where we already have a lot of detail, as such it's only really useful for special purposes like adding extra fine detail. Would other people agree with me there, or am I over reacting again? @franky -- thanks. RE tresspassing, that is the only thing that I miss after the move from scotland, we have the Land and Countryside Act which explicitly states that you can go pretty much anywhere you like, there are of course a bunch of exceptions, but in this case, you would be perfectly within your rights to trace out hedges to your hearts content. 2009/9/13 Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com On 13 Sep 2009, at 22:05, Frankie Roberto wrote: 2009/9/13 John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com I'm not planning to put them all online in the short term -- while flickr would be able ot hold all 10GB of data, it would be an almost imposable ot access format. The photos look great btw. Such a nice day for it! Thing this one is my fav so far: http://www.flickr.com/photos/thingomy/3909552809/in/set-72157622214942341/ It'll be great to be able to tag individual fields and hedges - this is almost impossible to do from the ground (unless you're a fan of trespassing). I have been playing with warper and here is my first result. It seems to need a good number of control points but it is certainly a useful tool. Can one rectify a number of images and then stitch them together into a single image that can be used in Potlatch I wonder? http://warper.geothings.net/maps/preview/1204 Regards, Peter Frankie -- Frankie Roberto Experience Designer, Rattle 0114 2706977 http://www.rattlecentral.com ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-GB] NOVAM viewer
Or even a single operator - during Nottingham City Transports transition to a fully low floor operation the old buses were cascaded down too other routes which shared the same stops, And what about Preston bus station where they had to lower the kerbs to allow low floor buses to access it ;-) On 9/16/09, John Robert Peterson jrp@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/16 Robert Naylor rob...@pobice.co.uk snip I'll be switching to using kerb=raised now. Although I assume if they've altered the kerb that they buses serving the route would be low-floor buses. not necisarilly a good assumtion -- there can be 2 diferent companies running busses to the same stop, one using low floor, and one not. Although in general it may be a reasonable assuption. Can accessability information be included with the bus route relation? On second thoughts after hearing about a bus stop which got built on the wrong street - and maintained maybe not :) there is a bus stop a few miles from my parents house: they were asked to install it at the crossroads so they did, on the wrong leg of the crossroads, as a result they had to move around all the bus routes to fit, adding miles to some journeys. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Sent from my mobile device ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] liam123's latest
Not a big contributor to the lists, but... 1) Yes I'd support it 2) Yes I'd join (but unlikely to contribute much) Jeni http://blog.jennystuff.com Peter Miller wrote: The other question though:- 1) Would you support the existence of such a list? 2) Would you join it? If no one supports it or would join it from talk-gb then I won't progress the idea any more! ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
