[Talk-GB] Tidying up some shop tags
I propose to tidy up some shop=* tag values. I am not certain of the full scope, but here are ones I do know about: - to shop=bookmaker from bookmakers, bookies, Bookmaker, Bookmakers, bookmarkers,turf_accountant [shop=betting has nearly as many uses as shop=bookmaker, and shop=gambling also exists] - to shop=clothes from clothing [shop=fashion also exists] - to shop=books from bookstore - to shop=comics from comic, comicbook - to shop=alcohol from off_licence, offlicense, offlicence, off_license - to shop=vacant from shop=empty shop=closed, shop=currently_unlet, shop=former_florist, shop=Vacant (but not shop=disused) - to shop=pet from shop=pets, pet_shop - to shop=carpet from shop=carpets (and various combos of CarpetRIght) - to shop=beauty from shop=beauty_salon - to shop=locksmith from shop=keycutting - to amenity=fast_food, cuisine=fish_and_chips from shop=fish_and_chips - to amenity=fast_food, cuisine=sandwich from shop=sandwich shop I think these all reflect reallocation to more widely used tags. There are plenty of values of shop which would benefit from some consolidation, such as the many different varieties of shops selling furnishings (blinds, curtains, ) and sporting goods (golf,ski_hire ...) which could do with a single overall value and adjectival tagging for the detail. I must say the combos shop=fish, shop=fishmonger and shop=fishing are likely to lead to confusion. In particular is shop=fish a fishmonger, a pet shop or an angling shop? I am not sure if some people tag shop=laundry for dry cleaners or of they are always separate Personally it makes sense to combine cleaning services (ironing, repair, dry cleaning, steam laundry etc) of this type under a single tag. Some retailers seem to cause particular problems in choosing an appropriate tag. Wilkinsons are variously tagged as supermarkets, hardware, variety and department_store. In addition the name is often entered without the 's'. I'm sure others have noticed other things or have particular nit picking about shop=* values. Regards, Jerry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tidying up some shop tags
On 05/05/2013 14:25, sk53.osm wrote: I propose to tidy up some shop=* tag values. Synonyms fine but not specific products/services to generic ones as this deletes useful information. e.g: Shops that do key cutting are rarely locksmiths. sandwich shops are a subset of fast food shops, as are fish chip shops. That is important when you are looking for a sandwich rather than a burger. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tidying up some shop tags
On 5 May 2013, at 14:51, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: On 05/05/2013 14:25, sk53.osm wrote: I propose to tidy up some shop=* tag values. Synonyms fine but not specific products/services to generic ones as this deletes useful information. e.g: Shops that do key cutting are rarely locksmiths. sandwich shops are a subset of fast food shops, as are fish chip shops. That is important when you are looking for a sandwich rather than a burger. In terms of the fish and chips, you use the cuisine tag to state that it's a fast food fish and chip shop ;-) Shaun ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Tidying up some shop tags
These generally seem fine to me. The only one I think is questionable is shop=locksmith from shop=keycutting. There is a risk of losing some meaning here: some shops tagged shop=keycutting might offer only keycutting, while shop=locksmith implies a broader range of services. Perhaps shop=locksmith locksmith=keycutting could be considered. Consolidating categories like furnishings and sports shops does seem sensible, but it is important care is taken to ensure subtle meanings in the tagging are not lost. Wilkinsons is difficult to tag. It sells quite a broad range of items including toiletries, stationery, cleaning/DIY/gardening supplies, kitchenware and confectionery. I use shop=hardware, but recognise it doesn't fit entirely. shop=supermarket seems wrong because it implies a full range of food is sold, while Wilkinsons only sells crisps/chocolate bars/sweets. shop=department_store also isn't quite right: to me it implies more expensive items are also sold (electrical goods, interior furnishings etc.) On 05/05/2013 14:25, sk53.osm wrote: I propose to tidy up some shop=* tag values. I am not certain of the full scope, but here are ones I do know about: * to shop=bookmaker from bookmakers, bookies, Bookmaker, Bookmakers, bookmarkers,turf_accountant [shop=betting has nearly as many uses as shop=bookmaker, and shop=gambling also exists] * to shop=clothes from clothing [shop=fashion also exists] * to shop=books from bookstore * to shop=comics from comic, comicbook * to shop=alcohol from off_licence, offlicense, offlicence, off_license * to shop=vacant from shop=empty shop=closed, shop=currently_unlet, shop=former_florist, shop=Vacant (but not shop=disused) * to shop=pet from shop=pets, pet_shop * to shop=carpet from shop=carpets (and various combos of CarpetRIght) * to shop=beauty from shop=beauty_salon * to shop=locksmith from shop=keycutting * to amenity=fast_food, cuisine=fish_and_chips from shop=fish_and_chips * to amenity=fast_food, cuisine=sandwich from shop=sandwich shop I think these all reflect reallocation to more widely used tags. There are plenty of values of shop which would benefit from some consolidation, such as the many different varieties of shops selling furnishings (blinds, curtains, ) and sporting goods (golf,ski_hire ...) which could do with a single overall value and adjectival tagging for the detail. I must say the combos shop=fish, shop=fishmonger and shop=fishing are likely to lead to confusion. In particular is shop=fish a fishmonger, a pet shop or an angling shop? I am not sure if some people tag shop=laundry for dry cleaners or of they are always separate Personally it makes sense to combine cleaning services (ironing, repair, dry cleaning, steam laundry etc) of this type under a single tag. Some retailers seem to cause particular problems in choosing an appropriate tag. Wilkinsons are variously tagged as supermarkets, hardware, variety and department_store. In addition the name is often entered without the 's'. I'm sure others have noticed other things or have particular nit picking about shop=* values. Regards, Jerry ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Soft launch of That Shouldn't Be Possible prototype
Hello talk-gb, As some of you might know, I've been working on a gps trace analyzer I call That Shouldn't Be Possible. Its purpose? To accept a gps trace of a drive/cycle you've gone for, analyze the journey against the routable OSM database and, if appropriate, say That Shouldn't Be Possible. Used like this, it can find quite a lot of routing problems or road segments missing from the database. It can also be used to take the hard work out of checking the OSM database against your trace after a long journey by flagging up sections that don't quite agree with OSM. Not quite sure whether you've got that complex junction interlinked and tagged right? Have a gps trace or two that traverses it? That Shouldn't Be Possible might be able to help you. I've written a lot more about it on the wiki[1], so I'm not going to duplicate all that blather here. The news is that it's reached a point where I really should start opening it to the public. So I'm now running a prototype instance of it[2] on errol which is just running for the british isles. Why just the british isles? Partly out of tentativeness and partly because keeping the data updated is quite computationally expensive and running it for the whole planet is beyond the resources currently available to me. It's also only available for car transport type initially for similar reasons. But it will work with bicycle traces too as long as you haven't made car-disallowed shortcuts which would confuse it. I invite everyone to try it out with some of their traces. robert. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/That_Shouldnt_Be_Possible [2] http://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/tsbp-proto/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
