[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Longbridge
Hi, I had a ride around Longbridge in the rain this afternoon with the GPS running so I would like to work on the new Park View housing estate on the corner between Lickey Road and Lowhill Lane. See you at Northfield at around 8pm. Arthur ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Finding Unmapped public rights of way
On 27 July 2013 13:11, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm trying to make use of the row files on rowmaps for derbyshire and staffordshire and and merging these with and osm map file to then produce maps that can highlight which paths are and aren't mapped. I can put the derbyshire file into JOSM and download parts of the area and merge them to create an osm file that I can then save locally and import into Maperative. I assume that these digitised PRoW Maps from local councils are released under the OS OpenData License. That being the case, please note that Ordnance Survey have recently stated that their OS OpenData licence is not forward compatible with the ODC-By and ODbL [1]. Hence these datasets cannot currently be used as direct sources for contributing to OSM. Of course this doesn't prevent individuals generating data comparisons and then using them to focus mapping efforts that make use of other sources. And hopefully OS will be persuaded to amend their license, so we can start making full use of these PRoW GIS datasets. Robert. [1] http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/os-open-data.html -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] UK Postcodes
Hi, I was wondering if there were any updates / progress on UK Postcodes. I have seen that the Land Registry Price Paid data is partially available on the 'Postcode finder website', but don't seem to be able to contact 'Milliams' to see if any updates will be released (I'm probably looking in the wrong places!). The http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors page has an entry; /Land Registry - Price paid data / // /OpenStreetMap contributors use the //Land Registry Price Paid Data http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/public/information/public-data/price-paid-data//as a source for address data. This data is published under the OGL and the following attribution is required. / /This data covers the transactions received at land Registry in the period 01/02/2012 to the last day of the current month. © Crown copyright 2012. / /If you have found an error with the data please contact //Her Majesty's Land Registry (HMLR) http://www.landregistry.gov.uk/professional/price-paid-error/ which looks promising. I've been busily working away on the BR8 *** postcodes am hoping the 'http://milliams.dev.openstreetmap.org/postcodefinder/landregistry/' site will have regular updates (monthly?) which would be very helpful. Regards Nick (Tallguy) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Finding Unmapped public rights of way
Personally I just produced the Durham map to show how much work is still to be done. Then use this as a basis to go out and survey. A lot of the PRoW are incorrect anyway when actually on the ground. Even when they have been amended officially, either the council doesn't update their data or ordnance survey have not used the data sent. This is one of the biggest advantages to OSM, it is updated. If the OSM and walking community could come together to fill in the missing data. For instance I know the Ramblers in Durham walked every path in the county a couple of years ago. I wonder if they have the GPX tracks, I will make enquiries. On 29 Jul 2013 12:53, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 July 2013 13:11, Dudley Ibbett dudleyibb...@hotmail.com wrote: I'm trying to make use of the row files on rowmaps for derbyshire and staffordshire and and merging these with and osm map file to then produce maps that can highlight which paths are and aren't mapped. I can put the derbyshire file into JOSM and download parts of the area and merge them to create an osm file that I can then save locally and import into Maperative. I assume that these digitised PRoW Maps from local councils are released under the OS OpenData License. That being the case, please note that Ordnance Survey have recently stated that their OS OpenData licence is not forward compatible with the ODC-By and ODbL [1]. Hence these datasets cannot currently be used as direct sources for contributing to OSM. Of course this doesn't prevent individuals generating data comparisons and then using them to focus mapping efforts that make use of other sources. And hopefully OS will be persuaded to amend their license, so we can start making full use of these PRoW GIS datasets. Robert. [1] http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/os-open-data.html -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes
On 29 July 2013 13:15, Nick Allen nick.allen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I was wondering if there were any updates / progress on UK Postcodes. I have seen that the Land Registry Price Paid data is partially available on the 'Postcode finder website', but don't seem to be able to contact 'Milliams' to see if any updates will be released (I'm probably looking in the wrong places!). The http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors page has an entry; Land Registry - Price paid data OpenStreetMap contributors use the Land Registry Price Paid Data as a source for address data. This data is published under the OGL and the following attribution is required. This data covers the transactions received at land Registry in the period 01/02/2012 to the last day of the current month. © Crown copyright 2012. If you have found an error with the data please contact Her Majesty's Land Registry (HMLR) which looks promising. I've been busily working away on the BR8 *** postcodes am hoping the 'http://milliams.dev.openstreetmap.org/postcodefinder/landregistry/' site will have regular updates (monthly?) which would be very helpful. Sorry, this is my fault for being unresponsive. I'm very busy at the moment finishing my PhD thesis so I've found it difficult to find time to keep this up to date. I'm currently running an update to renew the data from the OSM database and then I'll start adding in the last few months of Land Registry data. They seem to be releasing it fairly promptly these days so I should be able to it more regularly. However, the files are still not named in any regular format so updating them has to be done manually. I also see that they've now also released a bunch of semi-historic data from 2009-2011 (before we only have 2012 onwards) so I'll work on incorporating that soon which should greatly increase the coverage of the tool. I am also giving a talk at State of the Map about the tool so I'll be around there to talk to people about extra features etc. that they might want from it. Cheers, Matt ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes
Matt, Thanks for the very good news. Regards Nick (Tallguy) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] OS OpenData Licence update (WAS: Finding Unmapped public rights of way)
Robert W said: That being the case, please note that Ordnance Survey have recently stated that their OS OpenData licence is not forward compatible with the ODC-By and ODbL. Yes, they did, and that quote has gotten them in a lot of trouble. The Open Government License (of which Ordnance Survey's OpenData licence is based) was intended to allow fair and open re-use of public sector data. As you are well aware Ordnance Survey added some text above the standard OGL that played havoc with this. I have been working to raise this at the Open Data User Group- a government funded group that reports into the governments Data Strategy Board - and OS's quote was the trigger for action: == Updated Open Government Licence == Version 2 of the OGL now makes it perfectly clear that OGL is compatible with our licence: This means that when the Information is adapted and licensed under either of those licences, you automatically satisfy the conditions of the OGL when you comply with the other licence. The OGLv2.0 is Open Definition compliant. http://nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/2/ == ODUG's report on OS licensing == A quote from the report makes it pretty clear what they want: Ordnance Survey receives £20m of annual funding from government to release OS OpenData under the Open Government Licence. Government intends this funding to foster business use of OS data to fuel economic growth. However, Ordnance Survey licensing restrictions limit the downstream use of OS OpenData which contradicts the government’s intention. http://data.gov.uk/sites/default/files/20130717%20OS%20Open%20Data%20Licensing.pdf And on PROW data: http://data.gov.uk/sites/default/files/20130717%20Public%20Rights%20of%20Way.pdf == ODUG's latest Minutes == A couple more quotes: Ordnance Survey applies additional licensing restrictions to the OS Open Data licence. This restricts the competitive landscape in which they operate with partners and prohibits open re-use of the data. ODUG members believe that OS should have an obligation to release their open data, which is publicly funded, to be consistent with the terms of the Open Government Licence. Following publication of the OS Benefits case it was agreed that the ODUG should make a case to BIS and the Cabinet Office Transparency Board for OS to accept the recommendations in the case. OS are also claiming that any data regarded as an interpretation of raw data is exempt from FOI requests. The effect would be to block access to public information data sets which have a geographical component of OS derived data. ODUG does not accept this position, and agreed to work on test cases to demonstrate the impact of this. http://data.gov.uk/sites/default/files/minutes%2019th%20july%20final%20version.pdf Bottom line = Feel free to use OS OpenData for OSM mapping :-D Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
