Re: [Talk-GB] Defibrillator Mapping

[Gregory]

I have a reply from the North East Ambulance Service.
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/locations_of_defibulators#incoming-818141

2nd and 3rd PDFs (CPADS and STATICS) contain a table of locations. Statics
not being 24/7 access, but I think it's still good to include (with
suitable tagging).


Ben, you could try Yorkshire Ambulance Service, and refer to that website.
Maybe "request additional information about our services" is the most
appropriate on http://www.yas.nhs.uk/TalktoUs/Contact_Us.html


>From Newcastle,
Gregory.

On 23 May 2016 at 22:50, Ben Pollinger  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> There's a project started for Yorkshire and Humber, which seems to be run
> by Yorkshire Ambulance Service, BHF and others:
> https://www.mapmydefib.com
>
> No actual map there, just a form asking for people to register new defibs.
>
> I'm not sure how to approach them but willing to give something a go.
>
> Ben
>
> On 22 April 2016 at 14:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
> robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> It was suggested that trying to increase our mapping of public
>> Defibrillators would be a good think. After a bit of digging, it seems
>> that Ambulance Services typically maintain a list of locations, with a
>> view to informing people about them if a 999 call comes in nearby
>> where one might be useful.
>>
>> The different services seem to take quite different views on these
>> lists. My local service (East of England) actively publicise their
>> list (
>> http://www.eastamb.nhs.uk/Get-involved/Community-Public-Access-Defibrillators.htm
>> )
>> on the grounds that raising awareness of the locations will make it
>> more likely that someone will know about and find a defibrillator in
>> an emergency. Other services have refused FOI requests on the (IMO
>> spurious) grounds that publicising the list will make thefts /
>> vandalism more likely, and out of date information may lead to people
>> wasting time in an emergency.
>>
>> Anyway, I've taken the East of England list from
>> http://www.eastamb.nhs.uk/Get%20involved/CPADs/CPAD%20List.pdf , and
>> done a comparison with the OSM data. A rough and ready tool can be
>> found at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/defib/progress/ for any other
>> locals who want to use it. We've got a small number of locations they
>> haven't, and some of their postcodes may not be quite right. But there
>> are a lot on their list that aren't mapped yet!
>>
>> Regarding tagging, it seems that a lot of the cabinets have a
>> reference number on the outside, so I'd suggest recording that in the
>> ref=* tag. Also, I think a description of the location would be useful
>> (e.g. "Outside wall of McDonalds, facing Store 21") to help people
>> find the defibrillator when they need it. I've been putting something
>> like that in a location=* key.
>>
>> In terms of getting more data, I've put in FOI requests to the East
>> and West Midlands Ambulance Services for starters, so we'll see what
>> line they take...
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Robert.
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project (Health): Pharmacies and Defibrillators

[Gregory]

I spotted a more interesting case in the pharmacy register: "HMP Durham"
(i.e. the prison).

I agree with mapping the pharmacy location in a hospital. Not only good for
finding which building it is, but also human reverse geocoding, e.g. "I'm
somewhere outside the hospital, by the pharmacy... okay, I'll pick you on
the road right outside that entrance".

How about the prison? I guess I can't get/order a prescription there, but
is it worth mapping just to aid cross checking? Should be something that
will avoid it being counted in pharmacy=yes. pharmacy=private... or
pharmacy=customers_only ;)

>From the North East,
Gregory.

On 24 May 2016 at 10:09, SK53  wrote:

> Given the size of larger district & regional teaching hospitals I think it
> will always be sensible to map the location of the pharmacy. For instance
> I've only recently discovered where decent coffee shops are in one my Mum
> was an in-patient for 2 weeks, and I have no idea where the pharmacy is
> located in the same hospital.
>
> I have friends who are consultants in the main teaching hospital in
> Nottingham: it is not unusual for newish members of the medical staff to
> get lost in the place. The front desk is never quite sure where the Day
> Case unit is & so on.
>
> Hospitals, along with shopping centres, are the two prime use cases for
> doing some more sophistcated indoor mapping.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 24 May 2016 at 08:29, Mark Goodge  wrote:
>
>> On 20/05/2016 16:42, Andy Townsend wrote:
>>
>>> On 20/05/2016 16:29, SK53 wrote:
>>>
 In my experience there are certain prescription which I can only get
 fulfilled by a hospital pharmacy (those written by a consultant).

>>>
>>> Agreed - and in the case of the one I'm familiar with it's not a stock
>>> issue but a bureacracy one - anything written "upstairs" by a doctor
>>> apparently has to be fulfilled by the (outsourced) hospital pharmacy.
>>> I've never tried to redeem a "regular" prescription there, but they do
>>> sell the normal high-street pharmacist add-ons, so they don't just rely
>>> on the closed shop of hospital-written prescriptions.
>>>
>>
>> All pharmacists offering the standard FP10 ("green form") prescription
>> service have to be able to dispense all drugs that can be prescribed via
>> it. That is a licence requirement. That doesn't mean holding a stock of
>> every drug - for the more esoteric ones, obtaining them to order is
>> acceptable - but it is good practice to hold stocks of all those that are
>> likely to be requested regularly. It's unlikely that a hospital FP10
>> pharmacy would have a stock policy that's significantly more limited than a
>> high street pharmacy.
>>
>> However, not all hospital pharmacies are FP10. This, for example, is not:
>>
>>
>> http://www.yorkhospitals.nhs.uk/our_hospitals/_the_york_hospital/facilities/
>>
>> As a rule of thumb, if the pharmacy provision is outsourced to one of the
>> regular High Street names (Stewart Pharmacy and Lloyds seem to be the most
>> common), then it's likely that it will offer an FP10 service. If it's
>> in-house, however, or run by a hospital pharmacy specialist, then it
>> probably won't.
>>
>> If you were going to map them, then you would need to now the difference.
>> But, personally, I don't think it is worth it. All hospitals have a
>> pharmacy of some sort, so mapping them separately is pointless.
>>
>> Mark
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