[Talk-gb-westmidlands] TfWM Swift Collector Import

[Brian Prangle]

 Hi everyone

Following on from my previous post proposing an import, to which no-one
objected here's more detail:

Last total from the data provided by TfWM I have is 111 Swift Collectors,
so not a huge import. If anyone wants to inspect the data I can send them
the csv file.

More will  be rolled out in future so we will need to agree a process with
TfWM for regular updates after the initial import

The current fields are (** indicates the fields proposed to import)

naptan  ** UID
x
y
lat **
lon **
shelter ** asset no of shelter
osgrid
postal
name **
address
address2
city
category  **  stop;interchange;station
status **
location
BSName
BSAddress
Mode ** bus, metro, rail

There has been no response either from talkgb or talktansit on my
suggestion of how to tag these so I propose:

amenity=vending
vending=public_transport_ticket
public_transport_ticket= Swift Collector Card
payment=no
top-up=yes
source=TfWM

Currently  I think this tag is not rendered.

I also propose that these are added as separate nodes rather than added to
the  naptan bus stop node, because they can be attached either to the pole
or the shelter or can be situated in a bus station or on a metro platform.

Comments welcome

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap as a data source for visually impaired people

[SK53]

and also the specific work of OSM contributors LuluAnn and bahnpirat:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/HaptoRender#Reinhard-Niether-Krankenhaus_in_Wilhelmshaven.2C_Germany

On 25 January 2017 at 17:38, Christian Ledermann <
christian.lederm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.maproomblog.com/2016/02/3d-printed-maps-for-
> the-blind-and-visually-impaired/
> may be of help
>
> On 25 January 2017 at 16:31, SK53  wrote:
> > I'm not sure under-researched is the right term.
> >
> > A blind friend, now dead, was participating as a subject in a research
> > project on the geographical awareness of blind people back in the 1960s.
> > Using OSM for providing data and applications for the visually impaired
> has
> > been an active subject since at least 2008: see for example
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Visual_Impairment.
> >
> > I don't have off-hand a list of recent research in the area. I'm sure
> there
> > have been a number of undergraduate research projects using OSM data.
> >
> > However, the major issue generally is actually translating research into
> > something usable in a practical way by visually impaired people.
> >
> > The practical constraints I'm aware of:
> >
> > OSM rarely contains enough consistent detail of things like tactile
> paving,
> > existence of pavements, street furniture obstacles, boundary features of
> > pedestrian ways etc.
> > The difficulty of keeping the above information up-to-date.
> > OSM generally maps centre lines not the edges of features. Many blind
> people
> > make extensive usage of edges for navigation, but also to ensure their
> > safety.
> > The level of detail apparently needed is vast: well beyond what is
> feasible
> > for ordinary mappers to collect.
> > GPS accuracy whilst perfectly adequate for standard routing for
> pedestrians
> > using OSM, may not be accurate enough when the two pavements of a road
> have
> > very different characteristics.
> >
> > Additionally, as for wheelchair users, it may be that the specific
> > requirements of each visually impaired user are different.
> >
> > Probably the area which is most immediately useful is the ability to
> produce
> > tactile maps from OSM using 3-D printing. These can be used by people to
> > gain an awareness of unfamiliar areas. Once again most examples I'm
> aware of
> > one-off demonstrations by university researchers or hobbyists associated
> > with hackspaces.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 25 January 2017 at 15:35, Dave Dowding  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >> I'm studying Geographic Information Systems and am doing a dissertation
> on
> >> whether OSM data is a good data sources for visually impaired people.
> The
> >> evaluation of different geographic data sources for visually impaired
> people
> >> seems to be under researched, though very important for those who need
> the
> >> data.
> >> I hope to be able to be able to come up with some ways to improve the
> OSM
> >> data for visually impaired people and to create an map to show
> geographical
> >> areas where more data is needed.
> >> To help me with the project I would appreciate your help in filling in a
> >> survey at
> >> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeVTB0m1CV6zJ_5ZG9dq0l-
> lAq7KkdsWrnlmdUPq6THoSR3Yw/viewform
> >> More information about the project can be found at
> >> http://dowd.in/diss.htm. Any advice or feedback appreciated.
> >>
> >> Many Thanks
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
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>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
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>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap as a data source for visually impaired people

[Christian Ledermann]

http://www.maproomblog.com/2016/02/3d-printed-maps-for-the-blind-and-visually-impaired/
may be of help

On 25 January 2017 at 16:31, SK53  wrote:
> I'm not sure under-researched is the right term.
>
> A blind friend, now dead, was participating as a subject in a research
> project on the geographical awareness of blind people back in the 1960s.
> Using OSM for providing data and applications for the visually impaired has
> been an active subject since at least 2008: see for example
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Visual_Impairment.
>
> I don't have off-hand a list of recent research in the area. I'm sure there
> have been a number of undergraduate research projects using OSM data.
>
> However, the major issue generally is actually translating research into
> something usable in a practical way by visually impaired people.
>
> The practical constraints I'm aware of:
>
> OSM rarely contains enough consistent detail of things like tactile paving,
> existence of pavements, street furniture obstacles, boundary features of
> pedestrian ways etc.
> The difficulty of keeping the above information up-to-date.
> OSM generally maps centre lines not the edges of features. Many blind people
> make extensive usage of edges for navigation, but also to ensure their
> safety.
> The level of detail apparently needed is vast: well beyond what is feasible
> for ordinary mappers to collect.
> GPS accuracy whilst perfectly adequate for standard routing for pedestrians
> using OSM, may not be accurate enough when the two pavements of a road have
> very different characteristics.
>
> Additionally, as for wheelchair users, it may be that the specific
> requirements of each visually impaired user are different.
>
> Probably the area which is most immediately useful is the ability to produce
> tactile maps from OSM using 3-D printing. These can be used by people to
> gain an awareness of unfamiliar areas. Once again most examples I'm aware of
> one-off demonstrations by university researchers or hobbyists associated
> with hackspaces.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> On 25 January 2017 at 15:35, Dave Dowding  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> I'm studying Geographic Information Systems and am doing a dissertation on
>> whether OSM data is a good data sources for visually impaired people. The
>> evaluation of different geographic data sources for visually impaired people
>> seems to be under researched, though very important for those who need the
>> data.
>> I hope to be able to be able to come up with some ways to improve the OSM
>> data for visually impaired people and to create an map to show geographical
>> areas where more data is needed.
>> To help me with the project I would appreciate your help in filling in a
>> survey at
>> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeVTB0m1CV6zJ_5ZG9dq0l-lAq7KkdsWrnlmdUPq6THoSR3Yw/viewform
>> More information about the project can be found at
>> http://dowd.in/diss.htm. Any advice or feedback appreciated.
>>
>> Many Thanks
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

}<(((*>

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Re: [Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap as a data source for visually impaired people

[SK53]

I'm not sure under-researched is the right term.

A blind friend, now dead, was participating as a subject in a research
project on the geographical awareness of blind people back in the 1960s.
Using OSM for providing data and applications for the visually impaired has
been an active subject since at least 2008: see for example
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Category:Visual_Impairment.

I don't have off-hand a list of recent research in the area. I'm sure there
have been a number of undergraduate research projects using OSM data.

However, the major issue generally is actually translating research into
something usable in a practical way by visually impaired people.

The practical constraints I'm aware of:

   - OSM rarely contains enough consistent detail of things like tactile
   paving, existence of pavements, street furniture obstacles, boundary
   features of pedestrian ways etc.
   - The difficulty of keeping the above information up-to-date.
   - OSM generally maps centre lines not the edges of features. Many blind
   people make extensive usage of edges for navigation, but also to ensure
   their safety.
   - The level of detail apparently needed is vast: well beyond what is
   feasible for ordinary mappers to collect.
   - GPS accuracy whilst perfectly adequate for standard routing for
   pedestrians using OSM, may not be accurate enough when the two pavements of
   a road have very different characteristics.

Additionally, as for wheelchair users, it may be that the specific
requirements of each visually impaired user are different.

Probably the area which is most immediately useful is the ability to
produce tactile maps from OSM using 3-D printing. These can be used by
people to gain an awareness of unfamiliar areas. Once again most examples
I'm aware of one-off demonstrations by university researchers or hobbyists
associated with hackspaces.

Jerry



On 25 January 2017 at 15:35, Dave Dowding  wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm studying Geographic Information Systems and am doing a dissertation on
> whether OSM data is a good data sources for visually impaired people. The
> evaluation of different geographic data sources for visually impaired
> people seems to be under researched, though very important for those who
> need the data.
> I hope to be able to be able to come up with some ways to improve the OSM
> data for visually impaired people and to create an map to show geographical
> areas where more data is needed.
> To help me with the project I would appreciate your help in filling in a
> survey at https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeVTB0m1CV6zJ_5ZG9dq0l-
> lAq7KkdsWrnlmdUPq6THoSR3Yw/viewform
> More information about the project can be found at http://dowd.in/diss.htm.
> Any advice or feedback appreciated.
>
> Many Thanks
>
> Dave
>
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[Talk-GB] OpenStreetMap as a data source for visually impaired people

[Dave Dowding]

Hi,
I'm studying Geographic Information Systems and am doing a dissertation on
whether OSM data is a good data sources for visually impaired people. The
evaluation of different geographic data sources for visually impaired
people seems to be under researched, though very important for those who
need the data.
I hope to be able to be able to come up with some ways to improve the OSM
data for visually impaired people and to create an map to show geographical
areas where more data is needed.
To help me with the project I would appreciate your help in filling in a
survey at
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeVTB0m1CV6zJ_5ZG9dq0l-lAq7KkdsWrnlmdUPq6THoSR3Yw/viewform

More information about the project can be found at http://dowd.in/diss.htm.
Any advice or feedback appreciated.

Many Thanks

Dave
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Re: [Talk-GB] Announcing OSM UK at #geomob

[Brian Prangle]

Go for it Jez!  All I would add is that OSMUK discussions and voting take
place on Loomio rather than TalkGB

Regards

Brian

On 25 January 2017 at 08:45, Jez Nicholson  wrote:

> It is the #geomob meetup in London tonight. I suggested to Ed that he
> announce that OSM UK is now "open for business" and that people
> could/should signup as members.
>
> This has rapidly changed into *me* announcing it rather than Edwhich
> is probably better as it will focus attention. I'm not meaning to be
> presumptuous and put myself as OSM UK spokesperson, but it would be good to
> pass the message on and I am happy to do it. There is a good chance other
> OSM-UKers will be there (Jerry? Andy? Harry?).
>
> I am planning to say:
> * OSM UK branch has been formed
> * Talk-GB mailing list is getting busier
> * Quarterly projects
> * you could put yourself forward to be a Director if you hurry
> * everyone should sign up as a member now (whilst it is free!)
> * web site is osmuk.org
>
> Any other important points?
>
> If anyone feels they are a better candidate to announce...or were already
> doing it, then please just say.
>
> regards,
> Jez
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[Talk-GB] Announcing OSM UK at #geomob

[Jez Nicholson]

It is the #geomob meetup in London tonight. I suggested to Ed that he
announce that OSM UK is now "open for business" and that people
could/should signup as members.

This has rapidly changed into *me* announcing it rather than Edwhich is
probably better as it will focus attention. I'm not meaning to be
presumptuous and put myself as OSM UK spokesperson, but it would be good to
pass the message on and I am happy to do it. There is a good chance other
OSM-UKers will be there (Jerry? Andy? Harry?).

I am planning to say:
* OSM UK branch has been formed
* Talk-GB mailing list is getting busier
* Quarterly projects
* you could put yourself forward to be a Director if you hurry
* everyone should sign up as a member now (whilst it is free!)
* web site is osmuk.org

Any other important points?

If anyone feels they are a better candidate to announce...or were already
doing it, then please just say.

regards,
Jez
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