Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 20:33 +0100, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 20/10/17 18:51, Gregrs wrote:
> > I think it makes sense for both fhrs:id and addr:postcode to be on
> > the same entity, whether that's the boundary or a building. In some
> > cases schools might have more than one building with an fhrs:id,
> > but it's possible that these would have a different postcode e.g.
> > the different houses at Rugby School (http://www.openstreetmap.org/
> > way/363617437). 
> 
> The majority of UK schools will only have the one catering facility
> and
> it's unlikely that this will not be the same place as school premises
> and involve a single postcode although with the unstable ownership of
> schools these days, we may well see private food outlets inside
> 'academies'? Although central catering facilities feeding several
> schools also messes up the picture.
> 
It probably not that unusual for schools to have separate catering
facilities for the sixth form.

The school I attended in the 1970s did just that and a small amount of
research suggests my local school now has the same.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Lester Caine]

On 20/10/17 18:51, Gregrs wrote:
> I think it makes sense for both fhrs:id and addr:postcode to be on the same 
> entity, whether that's the boundary or a building. In some cases schools 
> might have more than one building with an fhrs:id, but it's possible that 
> these would have a different postcode e.g. the different houses at Rugby 
> School (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/363617437). 

The majority of UK schools will only have the one catering facility and
it's unlikely that this will not be the same place as school premises
and involve a single postcode although with the unstable ownership of
schools these days, we may well see private food outlets inside
'academies'? Although central catering facilities feeding several
schools also messes up the picture.

Bigger collage complexes may well have additional catering outlets
across multiple campuses which need separate objects for each campus,
building and potentially each identifiable outlet. It should not be a
problem identifying each outlet and since the FHRS data is open licence
http://ratings.food.gov.uk/enhanced-search/en-GB/Rugby%20School/Rugby/Relevance/0/%5E/%5E/1/1/20
provides every inspection point and the raw data can be download from
http://ratings.food.gov.uk/OpenDataFiles/FHRS319en-GB.xml and a couple
of the 8 entries for Rugby School are at the same postcode. So one needs
separate objects to hold these fhrs:id records rather than the campus
boundary.

Bottom line ... there should be separate objects where that is necessary
and it would be nice if the larger operations such as Rugby School
helped with detailed campus maps as many of the collage and university
sites have been doing?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 18:43 +0100, Dave F wrote:
> I've been putting it on the boundary as it covers the whole school
> which 
> can include domestic science (or whatever it's called now) & the
> school 
> fête barbecue as well as the canteen.
> 
Interestingly I have since been looking at FHRS stuff locally and
within the area for the local comprehensive school there are three
objects listed with different postcodes and FHRS IDs.

I am guessing first to fifth form, 6th form and the the boarding
section, its quite an unusual state comprehensive with a very long
history.

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #378 2017-10-10-2017-10-16

[weeklyteam]

The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 378,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of all things 
happening in the openstreetmap world:

http://www.weeklyosm.eu/en/archives/9548/

Enjoy!

weeklyOSM? 
who?: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Gregrs]

Hi Dave,

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 06:43:25PM +0100, Dave F wrote:

In my LA they have pre/post school 'clubs' listed separately. I've been 
adding them as nodes within the school as amenity=club. I'm open to 
suggestion if there's something better for them.


You could add all the FHRS IDs to the school boundary separated by 
semicolons but I'm afraid this isn't yet supported by the comparison 
tool: https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/issues/11.


One advantage of what you're currently doing is that the clubs get 
mapped as an amenity too.


Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Gregrs]

Hi Colin,

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 03:17:49PM +0100, Colin Spiller wrote:

Most of the school information is tagged to the school boundary. 
However, I would expect the fhrs:id tag to be on the relevant building 
within the boundary, but the comparison tool - thank you gregrs - 
expects both the postcode and the fhrs:id on the same object. So is 
that the standard - both on the boundary, and is it documented in the 
wiki anywhere? I thought I had better check before I did too many 
updates!


Thanks for raising this, Colin. This GitHub issue is partly relevant: 
https://github.com/gregrs-uk/python-fhrs-osm/issues/42#issuecomment-272649433. 
As of January, it was more common to add the addr:postcode tag to the 
school boundary rather than a relevant building.


I think it makes sense for both fhrs:id and addr:postcode to be on the 
same entity, whether that's the boundary or a building. In some cases 
schools might have more than one building with an fhrs:id, but it's 
possible that these would have a different postcode e.g. the different 
houses at Rugby School (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/363617437).


The comparison tool should cope with the fhrs:id tag being on either the 
boundary or building, as long as both fhrs:id and addr:postcode tags are
on the same entity. It will suggest matches based on the centroid of the 
school boundary but will pick up existing matches on either.


Thanks,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Dave F]

I've been putting it on the boundary as it covers the whole school which 
can include domestic science (or whatever it's called now) & the school 
fête barbecue as well as the canteen.


In my LA they have pre/post school 'clubs' listed separately. I've been 
adding them as nodes within the school as amenity=club. I'm open to 
suggestion if there's something better for them.


DaveF.

On 20/10/2017 15:17, Colin Spiller wrote:
I've recently been catching up with some fhrs:id tags. I've found 
several (most?) of the local schools have entries in the Food 
Standards agency lists. I must have missed something, because I'm now 
confused.


Most of the school information is tagged to the school boundary. 
However, I would expect the fhrs:id tag to be on the relevant building 
within the boundary, but the comparison tool - thank you gregrs - 
expects both the postcode and the fhrs:id on the same object. So is 
that the standard - both on the boundary, and is it documented in the 
wiki anywhere? I thought I had better check before I did too many 
updates!


Thanks in advance

Colin





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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2017-10-20 at 15:17 +0100, Colin Spiller wrote:
> I've recently been catching up with some fhrs:id tags. I've found 
> several (most?) of the local schools have entries in the Food
> Standards 
> agency lists. I must have missed something, because I'm now confused.
> 
> Most of the school information is tagged to the school boundary. 
> However, I would expect the fhrs:id tag to be on the relevant
> building 
> within the boundary, but the comparison tool - thank you gregrs - 
> expects both the postcode and the fhrs:id on the same object. So is
> that 
> the standard - both on the boundary, and is it documented in the
> wiki 
> anywhere? I thought I had better check before I did too many updates!
> 
In most cases I would just stick with putting the fhrs:id on the
boundary as we do not have the necessary information to identify
individual buildings. 

There may be a few where there is more than one fhrs:id for different
facilities but that will be a very small number and is not something we
can survey.

Phil (trigpoint)

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[Talk-GB] Tagging Schools with fhrs:id

[Colin Spiller]

I've recently been catching up with some fhrs:id tags. I've found 
several (most?) of the local schools have entries in the Food Standards 
agency lists. I must have missed something, because I'm now confused.


Most of the school information is tagged to the school boundary. 
However, I would expect the fhrs:id tag to be on the relevant building 
within the boundary, but the comparison tool - thank you gregrs - 
expects both the postcode and the fhrs:id on the same object. So is that 
the standard - both on the boundary, and is it documented in the wiki 
anywhere? I thought I had better check before I did too many updates!


Thanks in advance

Colin


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Activity Updates

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Rob

No need for thewalkthrough everyhting was very intuitive and easy to find.
The only downer is the inability to select multiple objects and perform one
tagging

Problems for bus routing software (Mentz Diva) were caused by: incorrect
complex junction configuration not permitting the desired route through;
turn restriction rather than an access restriction; ambiguous access
restriction; bus stop with incorrect route_ref

regards

Brian

On 19 October 2017 at 22:47, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Great news.
>
> Can I enquire about two things: First did you use the iD walkthrough and
> if yes, how was it? Did it provide a full introduction or did you need to
> help with extra support too?
>
> And second, what sort of oddities did you get on the TfWM bus route
> plotting software? And how were they typically solved?
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Rob*
>
> On 19 October 2017 at 16:43, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone
>>
>> 1. I'm back training Probation Pay Back Attendees with Anawim. I've
>> currently assigned our first new trainee the SE corner of Nuneaton to add
>> buildings and improve road alignments. Latest version of id is much
>> improved!
>> 2. I now have a direct link into TfWM's maintainer of NaPTAN bus stops
>> and we're working on a process for regular updates. I'll keep you uppdated
>> as to progress
>> 3. TfWM now plot their bus routes using a piece of software that uses OSM
>> data.It sometimes produces weird results that need some unentangling f the
>> OSM data, so we had good fun this week solving some of them
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project: Addresses and Postcodes

[Lester Caine]

On 20/10/17 06:05, Marc Gemis wrote:
> The full information that Nominatim knows for "WR12 7EP, United
> Kingdom" is shown on :
> http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=180306705
> It does list a collection of streets. What you see on osm.org is just
> a small set, which does not include the list of streets. The number of
> streets in a postal code really depends on the country, it might be a
> small number in the UK, but is large in e.g. Germany.

Actually
http://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/details.php?place_id=65620674 is of
more interest in this discussion.
Should I have added a postcode to the highway object? Also should each
house have a name tag in addition to the house number? The information
on houses is complete in my book, but do we need to create additional
tags so that Nominatim lists the equivalent of the PAF file addresses?
If I add the names then the rendering becomes messy which is why I only
added the house number.

And I must update the postbox collection times ... that change some time
back :( ... but if those details were pulled from a secondary source ...

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