Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Peter Tribble]

On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 9:28 PM, SK53  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> You may not be aware of a new planned import of petrol stations by Ilya.
> This is a follow-up to the UK Shell stations using very similar principles,
> but a larger number of brands. Discussion on the imports mailing list here:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/2018-March/005404.html.
> Someone suggested that instead of Ilya having to write to 10s of mailing
> lists the burden could be shared: so here I am for UK & Ireland.
>
> The dataset is downloadable, but is large to deal with even in QGIS, and
> the direct website link at the time of writing is unusable by me. I
> therefore thought it was useful to create a umap with only those stations
> which are to be added (a little under 400) and deleted (only 3):
> map.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895
>
> Remarks about individual items to be added which I have examined (mainly,
> I thin, for Ilya's benefit):
>
> ...
> * BP, Newmarket Road, Cambridge. This was a construction site when  last
> surveyed it Sept. 2016. I haven't checked if I had further information
> about what was being built when I passed. (on OSM
> )
>

Yes, that is now a BP station. (Was Shell, I recall, before being rebuilt.)

The other proposed Cambridge addition is slightly odd though. The old
petrol station there
closed a few months ago for redevelopment, and originally said reopening in
March.
Passing today, it says reopening Spring. So there should be a petrol
station back at
that location, but it's not open yet.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Philip Barnes]

On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 20:38 +, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 09/03/18 20:19, Philip Barnes wrote:
> > Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both
> > modify a
> > Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both.
> > 
> > I will try to check what brand it really is.
> 
> It's a Welcome Break, so Shell ... at least it was last time I
> passed.
> 
Thank you, I thought it had changed to Shell (at least that is what the
last import did) but used to be BP.

I am guessing navads haven't removed it from their BP list.

Phil (trigpoint)


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Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Lester Caine]

On 09/03/18 20:19, Philip Barnes wrote:

Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both modify a
Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both.

I will try to check what brand it really is.


It's a Welcome Break, so Shell ... at least it was last time I passed.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Philip Barnes]

Leicester Forest East looks a bit confused, it is down to both modify a
Shell node and to add a BP node. It can't be both.

I will try to check what brand it really is.

Phil (trigpoint)


On Thu, 2018-03-08 at 21:28 +, SK53 wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> You may not be aware of a new planned import of petrol stations by
> Ilya. This is a follow-up to the UK Shell stations using very similar
> principles, but a larger number of brands. Discussion on the imports
> mailing list here: https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/imports/
> 2018-March/005404.html. Someone suggested that instead of Ilya having
> to write to 10s of mailing lists the burden could be shared: so here
> I am for UK & Ireland.
> 
> The dataset is downloadable, but is large to deal with even in QGIS,
> and the direct website link at the time of writing is unusable by me.
> I therefore thought it was useful to create a umap with only those
> stations which are to be added (a little under 400) and deleted (only
> 3): map.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895
> 
> Remarks about individual items to be added which I have examined
> (mainly, I thin, for Ilya's benefit):
> 
> * Sainsbury's Castle Marina Nottingham. Duplicates existing petrol
> station. The point is located where the petrol station was until
> Summer 2013. (on OSM)
> * Sainsbury's Kimberley. Duplicates existing petrol station. The
> point is located over the supermarket. (on OSM)
> * Sainsbury's Oldham. Duplication. As above. (on OSM)
> * Applegreen Clones. Duplication. Point is accurately located. (on
> OSM)
> * Centra supermarket, Belturbet. Duplication. Point is accurately
> located. (on OSM)
> * Belturbet, Kilconny townland. Duplication. Point is accurately
> located. (on OSM)
> * BP, Newmarket Road, Cambridge. This was a construction site when 
> last surveyed it Sept. 2016. I haven't checked if I had further
> information about what was being built when I passed. (on OSM)
> * Shell at Waitrose, Wollaton, Nottingham. This is an oddity which
> may be worth tracking. This petrol station closed in late November,
> ostensibly to re-open after Christmas. However after being closed for
> 3 months I have marked it as disused on OSM, but it still has opening
> hours imported from navads. It would be very interesting to see
> if/when such changes are reflected in the navads data. (on OSM)
> 
> It appears that perhaps the conflation distance may need to be
> increased for Sainsbury's data. The three Cavan/Monaghan locations
> are actually duplications in the source data, so the second item gets
> treated as a new location (mentioned in the thread on imports). 
> 
> I have not looked at any of the additional tags which will be
> modified, largely because they dont interest me, but others may wish
> to (see also SomeoneElse's comments on the imports list).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Jerry
> 
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[Talk-GB] New corporate member for OSMUK

[Brian Prangle]

  A warm welcome to Cenglobal  , based in
Birmingham,Dubai and Manila who provide systems for logistics and transport
in the UK, Middle East and Asia

Regards

Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Andy G Wood]

On Friday, 9 March 2018 09:38:04 GMT Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote:
> On 8 March 2018 at 21:28, SK53  wrote:
> > You may not be aware of a new planned import of petrol stations by Ilya.
> > 
> > The dataset is downloadable, but is large to deal with even in QGIS, and
> > the direct website link at the time of writing is unusable by me. I
> > therefore thought it was useful to create a umap with only those stations
> > which are to
> > be added (a little under 400) and deleted (only 3):
> Many thanks for
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895

Other examples of likely unnecessary additions include:

http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895#18/52.39835/0.27310
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895#18/52.94924/-0.67782
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895#18/53.76804/-0.32583
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895#17/53.66426/-1.44617

Andy.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 8 March 2018 at 21:28, SK53  wrote:
> You may not be aware of a new planned import of petrol stations by Ilya.
>
> The dataset is downloadable, but is large to deal with even in QGIS, and the
> direct website link at the time of writing is unusable by me. I therefore
> thought it was useful to create a umap with only those stations which are to
> be added (a little under 400) and deleted (only 3):

Many thanks for http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895

There's one close to me at
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fuel-stations-import_203895#17/52.42282/0.72796
which is marked as a proposed addition, but it's almost on top of
(<10m) an existing amenity=fuel object
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/968785803 that's been there for
years. I wonder if something has somehow gone wrong with the
conflation process that means some existing objects haven't been
properly picked up. Or am I mis-interpreting the "addition" marker as
meaning the addition tags/info to an existing object?

Robert.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

[Andrew Hain]

Are the changes to names specifically being discussed?


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From: Simon Poole 
Sent: 09 March 2018 07:46
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Petrol stations again

Different area naturally, but at least here the newly created stations
in the list seem to have a roughly 50% error/something weird rate,
naturally I haven't looked at a very large sample yet and it could well
be that it is a specific problem with conflation in CH, but it clearly
is far to high for the "s**w validation just dump it in to OSM" approach
Ilya is suggesting.

The other problem that I've seen, is that Ilya is using different
capitalisation in the brand values as both presets and common use in OSM
have used up to now (for example AVIA vs. Avia), just as a general
principle is so many objects are being changed it would seem to be a
good idea to at least adjust the presets.

Simon


Am 09.03.2018 um 03:33 schrieb Paul Norman:
> On 3/8/2018 1:28 PM, SK53 wrote:
>> Remarks about individual items to be added which I have examined
>> (mainly, I thin, for Ilya's benefit):
>
> Were the 8 errors from the full set of 400, or a subsample of them?
>
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