Re: [Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel
Of course, if they happen to have suitable GIS data for their locations and were willing to allow us to reuse these and the details on their website under the ODBL, then it would be a very helpful dataset. We could use it to keep track of the frequent closur ahem... changes to the YHA network. Regards, Adam On 4 April 2018 at 13:26, Adam Snape wrote: > +1 > > Permission to add something to a map is certainly not the same as > permission to release information under the ODBL, we need that explicitly > stated. > > Also, how are you going to locate the hostels? I'm assuming you're > armchair mapping, so how can you tell whether (or which) hostel mapped in > OSM is the relevant YHA one? Any information derived from the Google maps > on the YHA site is strictly unuseable, even with YHA's permission. > > Kind regards, > > Adam Snape > > On 4 April 2018 at 13:08, Dan S wrote: > >> Hi >> >> "YHA (England & Wales)" would go in the "operator" field, not appended >> to the "name". (I'm not sure which you were suggesting.) >> >> I'm pretty sure that the loose permission (that you quote) is not >> technically enough to safely use the YHA's own list as a source of >> data for OSM, though it seems they're likely to be brodly in favour. >> With a bit more chat with them, and some reassurance that we're not >> intending to infringe on their copyrights, you can probably get >> something like an explicit permission to add the data to OSM under >> ODBL. >> >> Best >> Dan >> >> >> 2018-04-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 David Vere : >> > I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that >> while >> > >> > "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as >> Youth >> > Hostel are all copyrighted” >> > >> > they are >> > >> > "happy for you to use the names on a map" >> > >> > and will even supply a current list. >> > >> > Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA >> (England >> > & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap. >> > >> > David >> > >> > >> > >> > ___ >> > Talk-GB mailing list >> > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel
+1 Permission to add something to a map is certainly not the same as permission to release information under the ODBL, we need that explicitly stated. Also, how are you going to locate the hostels? I'm assuming you're armchair mapping, so how can you tell whether (or which) hostel mapped in OSM is the relevant YHA one? Any information derived from the Google maps on the YHA site is strictly unuseable, even with YHA's permission. Kind regards, Adam Snape On 4 April 2018 at 13:08, Dan S wrote: > Hi > > "YHA (England & Wales)" would go in the "operator" field, not appended > to the "name". (I'm not sure which you were suggesting.) > > I'm pretty sure that the loose permission (that you quote) is not > technically enough to safely use the YHA's own list as a source of > data for OSM, though it seems they're likely to be brodly in favour. > With a bit more chat with them, and some reassurance that we're not > intending to infringe on their copyrights, you can probably get > something like an explicit permission to add the data to OSM under > ODBL. > > Best > Dan > > > 2018-04-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 David Vere : > > I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that while > > > > "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as > Youth > > Hostel are all copyrighted” > > > > they are > > > > "happy for you to use the names on a map" > > > > and will even supply a current list. > > > > Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA > (England > > & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap. > > > > David > > > > > > > > ___ > > Talk-GB mailing list > > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel
Hi "YHA (England & Wales)" would go in the "operator" field, not appended to the "name". (I'm not sure which you were suggesting.) I'm pretty sure that the loose permission (that you quote) is not technically enough to safely use the YHA's own list as a source of data for OSM, though it seems they're likely to be brodly in favour. With a bit more chat with them, and some reassurance that we're not intending to infringe on their copyrights, you can probably get something like an explicit permission to add the data to OSM under ODBL. Best Dan 2018-04-04 12:39 GMT+01:00 David Vere : > I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that while > > "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as Youth > Hostel are all copyrighted” > > they are > > "happy for you to use the names on a map" > > and will even supply a current list. > > Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA (England > & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap. > > David > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] YHA (England & Wales), Youth Hostel
I've made an enquiry to YHA England & Wales and have been told that while "names of the individual hostels and YHA (England & Wales) as well as Youth Hostel are all copyrighted” they are "happy for you to use the names on a map" and will even supply a current list. Is there any objection to my attaching the YHA hostel name and "YHA (England & Wales)" to the hostels that are on openstreetmap. David ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Next quarters project: Post Offices
Thanks Robert. I’ve been trying to track down some of the local unmapped ones. This one I need to update (thanks to the ex-parish clerk who is regularly on a pub quiz team with me confirming): http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/branch/24436 The actual location is the Memorial Club accessed from Harwich Road, but probably closer to the Lodge Road postcode. This one is proving more elusive: http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postoffice/branch/90116 It has a postcode in Ramsey village, has but the name of a different village. I tried contacting the Ramsey & Parkeston Parish Clerk and they suggested I contact Great Oakley, which suggests it isn’t in Ramsey at all (their village hall is on Church Hill the other side of the A120). However there is one in Great Oakley Village Hall on Monday and Thursday mornings: http://www.great-oakley.co.uk/calendar.php which doesn’t seem to be mapped or missing. This used to be Tuesday afternoons and Thursdays according to this 2001 article when it first started: http://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/5478106.Great_Oakley___Use_or_lose__your_post_office_service/ Ah – and according to that article it was being run by the operator of Upper Dovercourt Post Office, which is on a Main Road, but not the one in Ramsey which is indicated by the post code. So I think that must be the one, only 3.5km away from where the post office think it is, and with different opening hours. I’ll tag it as you suggested, perhaps also with the id as mentioned in your earlier email to help match them. Ed ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb