Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[David Woolley]

On 31/01/2019 10:33, Andy Mabbett wrote:


I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
look like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2

Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.

Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
user, for example.



Footway crossovers can be legally blocked by permission of the occupier 
of the property for which they were provided.  Also they are not 
necessarily in places where it would be safe for a pedestrian to cross.


I'd suggest this is overmapping, and any attempt to map a pedestrian 
crossing at the point would be subjective.


Dropped kerbs for pedestrians are placed at safe places, albeit 
generally only near junctions, and it is illegal to block them.


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Re: [Talk-GB] Mapping Driving Test Centres

[Tony Shield]

Summarising, which I shall write up and place on the wiki - 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines, 
creating a new section  - DVSA Tagging.


Sources:

Found this link https://www.dft.gov.uk/fyn/practical.php which is s 
search page for Driving Test Centres. Provides addresses and links to 
Google  and OSM maps.


Tagging Guideline:

Node

office=government

operator=DVSA

name=Chorley Driving Test Centre,  recommend a name but many of them do 
not have a sign on the outside, it may be on the DVSA website.


government=transportation

address tags as appropriate,.

TonyS999 -  Tony

On 28/01/2019 13:12, Paul Berry wrote:
(Moment of reflection.) Sorry, you're right, of course they're not. 
That'll teach me to attempt to multitask at work.


As you were.

Regards,
/Paul/

On Mon, 28 Jan 2019 at 12:52, David Woolley 
mailto:for...@david-woolley.me.uk>> wrote:


On 28/01/2019 12:45, Paul Berry wrote:
> Does
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Ddriving_school
> not fit the bill?

Schools are closer to the poacher than the gamekeeper!  No.  I don't
think they are equivalent.

> Tag usage here:
> http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/tags/amenity=driving_school#map
>

Says that the tag is not sufficiently used to be mappable!

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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 11:12, Tony Shield  wrote:

> A difficulty with crossing is that it focuses purely on the drivers 
> perspective.

I disagree. If I need to cross a road, as a pedestrian (especially if
I am using a wheeled mode of transport like a wheelchair, pushchair or
barrow), I want to find a crossing.

> Where there is tactile paving, or coloured paving

There is not, in the cases at hand. Did you view the Google Street
View page I linked to?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[Tony Shield]

Guys
   A difficulty with crossing is that it focuses purely on the drivers
   perspective. Where there is tactile paving, or coloured paving
   surely the crossing is marked for the pedestrian/wheelchair user and
   people with restricted sight. I think that the coloured/tactile
   paving constitutes markings for the pedestrian, a driver can also
   see them so is the crossing unmarked?

crossing=unmarked
   A crossing without road markings or traffic lights
TonyS999
   Tony Shield

On 31/01/2019 10:53, SK53 wrote:

It wasn't meant to be off list!

Jerry

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 10:35, Andy Mabbett > wrote:


On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 19:10, Rob Nickerson
mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> It somewhat depends on what you are trying to map.
>
> The kerb=* tag on the wiki page you linked to is for when
mapping a crossing.
[...]

Thank you. I've also had an off-list reply saying:

   For crossings on single carriageway roads I would standardly just
   tag the highway=crossing node with the relevant tags, usually
   tactile_paving and kerb tags, like this
https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2303780892.

I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
look like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2

Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.

Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
user, for example.

On a simple, single-line way, I had envisioned nodes with
something like:

    kerb=dropped
    droped-kerb=both
    crossing=unmarked

or:

    kerb=dropped
    droped-kerb=left

respectively.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[SK53]

It wasn't meant to be off list!

Jerry

On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 10:35, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 19:10, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
> > It somewhat depends on what you are trying to map.
> >
> > The kerb=* tag on the wiki page you linked to is for when mapping a
> crossing.
> [...]
>
> Thank you. I've also had an off-list reply saying:
>
>For crossings on single carriageway roads I would standardly just
>tag the highway=crossing node with the relevant tags, usually
>tactile_paving and kerb tags, like this
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2303780892.
>
> I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
> look like this:
>
>https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2
>
> Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
> making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
> wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.
>
> Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
> other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
> user, for example.
>
> On a simple, single-line way, I had envisioned nodes with something like:
>
> kerb=dropped
> droped-kerb=both
> crossing=unmarked
>
> or:
>
> kerb=dropped
> droped-kerb=left
>
> respectively.
>
> --
> Andy Mabbett
> @pigsonthewing
> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Dropped or lowered kerbs

[Andy Mabbett]

On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 at 19:10, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> It somewhat depends on what you are trying to map.
>
> The kerb=* tag on the wiki page you linked to is for when mapping a crossing.
[...]

Thank you. I've also had an off-list reply saying:

   For crossings on single carriageway roads I would standardly just
   tag the highway=crossing node with the relevant tags, usually
   tactile_paving and kerb tags, like this
   https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/2303780892.

I am looking to tag dropped kerbs in two circumstances; in places that
look like this:

   https://goo.gl/maps/UnBiAsxgCFR2

Sometimes, there are two crossings adjacent, or nearly adjacent,
making a place convenient as an informal crossing point for
wheelchairs, pushchairs, barrows, etc.

Often, however, there is a dropped kerb on one side, but not the
other, That's still useful info someone needs to drop off a wheelchair
user, for example.

On a simple, single-line way, I had envisioned nodes with something like:

kerb=dropped
droped-kerb=both
crossing=unmarked

or:

kerb=dropped
droped-kerb=left

respectively.

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@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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