Re: [Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

[Colin Smale]

Thanks Jerry, I had forgotten that NI comes under Ireland ;-) 

I will have a browse through the talk-ie archives and see if I can pick
it up there. 

Colin

On 2019-08-20 22:15, SK53 wrote:

> This query would actually be better directed at talk-ie as the Irish OSM 
> local chapter have been having discussions with OSNI (and OSI). 
> 
> However, I think it's safe to say that the relevant licence is not (yet) 
> compatible with OSM: I did briefly discuss this point with one of the Open 
> Data NI people who organised OpenData Camp #5 in Belfast, and she was 
> certainly of the view that OSNI data (or any LPS data) was not very open. 
> Many of these datasets would be very useful, for instance there is a point 
> data set of streetnames (e.g., when the name of this bit [1] of street was 
> being questioned, or just to do streetnames which are perhaps 10% completed). 
> 
> It is for this reason why there are no local authority boundaries in NI. 
> However, at some point I used FHRS data to produce concave hulls which would 
> be a first approximation (and no worse than things like the Limerick boundary 
> 3-4 years ago). Also KDDA has some open data for the old Fermanagh district  
> (on umap here [2]) which may assist in working out the boundaries (as will 
> townland and other boundaries). But do check with talk-ie before leaping in. 
> 
> At one point maps.openstreetmap.ie [3] had a number of overlay layers sourced 
> from the OSI/OSNI data, but I think these never got restored after the server 
> move. I used OSNI townland boundaries to compare with OSM ones back in 2015. 
> 
> Jerry 
> 
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:42, Colin Smale  wrote: 
> 
>> Has anyone investigated if the data covering Northern Ireland which OSNI 
>> make available under OGL V3, is licence-compatible with OSM in the same way 
>> as the OSGB open data? I am particularly interested in admin boundaries, 
>> e.g. 
>> http://osni-spatial-ni.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/a55726475f1b460c927d1816ffde6c72_2
>>  
>> 
>> The website says: "Open Government Data Licence applies.Land & Property 
>> Services (LPS) has made a number of Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland(R) 
>> (OSNI(R)) branded datasets available free of charge under the terms of the 
>> current Open Government Licence (OGL). These datasets - which include raster 
>> and vector mapping, boundary, gazetteer, height, street and townland 
>> products - are available for download.  Each dataset is clearly marked with 
>> the OGL symbol. The OGL allows you to: copy, distribute and transmit the 
>> data; adapt the data; and exploit the data commercially, whether by 
>> sub-licensing it, combining it with other data, or including it in your own 
>> product or application. You are therefore able to use the LPS datasets in 
>> any way and for any purpose. We simply ask that you acknowledge the 
>> copyright and the source of the data by including the following attribution 
>> statement: Contains LPS Intellectual Property (c) Crown copyright and 
>> database right (year)  This information is
licensed under the terms of the Open Government Licence 
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3). You 
must also: include the same acknowledgement requirement in any sub-licences of 
the data that you grant, and a requirement that any further sub-licences do the 
same; ensure that you do not use the data in a way that suggests LPS endorses 
you or your use of the data; and make sure you do not misrepresent the data or 
its source. N.B. Any dataset that does not expressly state that it has been 
released under OGL will require a licence from LPS and the appropriate licence 
fee will be applied." 
>> 
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Links:
--
[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/392283077
[2]
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/fermanagh-road-signs_290510#9/54.3614/-7.5142
[3] http://maps.openstreetmap.ie___
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Re: [Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

[SK53]

This query would actually be better directed at talk-ie as the Irish OSM
local chapter have been having discussions with OSNI (and OSI).

However, I think it's safe to say that the relevant licence is not (yet)
compatible with OSM: I did briefly discuss this point with one of the Open
Data NI people who organised OpenData Camp #5 in Belfast, and she was
certainly of the view that OSNI data (or any LPS data) was not very open.
Many of these datasets would be very useful, for instance there is a point
data set of streetnames (e.g., when the name of this bit
 of street was being
questioned, or just to do streetnames which are perhaps 10% completed).

It is for this reason why there are no local authority boundaries in NI.
However, at some point I used FHRS data to produce concave hulls which
would be a first approximation (and no worse than things like the Limerick
boundary 3-4 years ago). Also KDDA has some open data for the old Fermanagh
district  (on umap here
)
which may assist in working out the boundaries (as will townland and other
boundaries). But do check with talk-ie before leaping in.

At one point maps.openstreetmap.ie had a number of overlay layers sourced
from the OSI/OSNI data, but I think these never got restored after the
server move. I used OSNI townland boundaries to compare with OSM ones back
in 2015.

Jerry

On Tue, 20 Aug 2019 at 18:42, Colin Smale  wrote:

> Has anyone investigated if the data covering Northern Ireland which OSNI
> make available under OGL V3, is licence-compatible with OSM in the same way
> as the OSGB open data? I am particularly interested in admin boundaries,
> e.g.
> http://osni-spatial-ni.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/a55726475f1b460c927d1816ffde6c72_2
>
> The website says: "Open Government Data Licence applies.Land &
> Property Services (LPS) has made a number of Ordnance Survey of Northern
> Ireland® (OSNI®) branded datasets available free of charge under the terms
> of the current Open Government Licence (OGL). These datasets – which
> include raster and vector mapping, boundary, gazetteer, height, street and
> townland products – are available for download.  Each dataset is clearly
> marked with the OGL symbol. The OGL allows you to: copy, distribute and
> transmit the data; adapt the data; and exploit the data commercially,
> whether by sub-licensing it, combining it with other data, or including it
> in your own product or application. You are therefore able to use the LPS
> datasets in any way and for any purpose. We simply ask that you acknowledge
> the copyright and the source of the data by including the following
> attribution statement: Contains LPS Intellectual Property © Crown copyright
> and database right (year)  This information is licensed under the terms of
> the Open Government Licence (
> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3).
> You must also: include the same acknowledgement requirement in any
> sub-licences of the data that you grant, and a requirement that any further
> sub-licences do the same; ensure that you do not use the data in a way that
> suggests LPS endorses you or your use of the data; and make sure you do not
> misrepresent the data or its source. N.B. Any dataset that does not
> expressly state that it has been released under OGL will require a licence
> from LPS and the appropriate licence fee will be applied."
>
>
>
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[Talk-GB] OSNI Open Data

[Colin Smale]

Has anyone investigated if the data covering Northern Ireland which OSNI
make available under OGL V3, is licence-compatible with OSM in the same
way as the OSGB open data? I am particularly interested in admin
boundaries, e.g.
http://osni-spatial-ni.opendata.arcgis.com/datasets/a55726475f1b460c927d1816ffde6c72_2


The website says: "Open Government Data Licence applies.Land &
Property Services (LPS) has made a number of Ordnance Survey of Northern
Ireland(R) (OSNI(R)) branded datasets available free of charge under the
terms of the current Open Government Licence (OGL). These datasets -
which include raster and vector mapping, boundary, gazetteer, height,
street and townland products - are available for download.  Each dataset
is clearly marked with the OGL symbol. The OGL allows you to: copy,
distribute and transmit the data; adapt the data; and exploit the data
commercially, whether by sub-licensing it, combining it with other data,
or including it in your own product or application. You are therefore
able to use the LPS datasets in any way and for any purpose. We simply
ask that you acknowledge the copyright and the source of the data by
including the following attribution statement: Contains LPS Intellectual
Property (c) Crown copyright and database right (year)  This information
is licensed under the terms of the Open Government Licence
(http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3).
You must also: include the same acknowledgement requirement in any
sub-licences of the data that you grant, and a requirement that any
further sub-licences do the same; ensure that you do not use the data in
a way that suggests LPS endorses you or your use of the data; and make
sure you do not misrepresent the data or its source. N.B. Any dataset
that does not expressly state that it has been released under OGL will
require a licence from LPS and the appropriate licence fee will be
applied."___
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