Re: [Talk-GB] UK Licences

[Mateusz Konieczny]

10 Sep 2019, 16:09 by robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com:

> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 13:49, Stephen Colebourne  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see some guidance on whether data can be taken directly
>> from a business's website and entered directly into OSM. eg. on the
>> "contact us" page there is often address, postcode, phone number,
>> opening hours. This page
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code says "You can even
>> look them up on the official website of the place" which suggests you
>> can, but normal copyright of websites would suggest you can't.
>>
>
> My take is that if it's an independent store with a single site, or a
> small group -- say up to about half a dozen premises -- then you can
> use the address(es) listed on their official website, as they're
> un-copyrightable facts. For chains with more stores, the addresses of
> each branch will form part of a database, and then database rights put
> them off-limits for OSM, unless you get specific permission from the
> business.
>
Note
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2019-July/thread.html 

discussion that have some quite 
 arguments that in this case
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Licences

[Jez Nicholson]

A 'database' of stores maybebut I believe that Stephen are talking
specifically about a single address communicated via a contact page. If the
postcode is copyrighted, then the company shouldn't be displaying it, and
you should never write it on an envelope

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019, 13:57 Silent Spike,  wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:49 PM Stephen Colebourne 
> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to see some guidance on whether data can be taken directly
>> from a business's website and entered directly into OSM. eg. on the
>> "contact us" page there is often address, postcode, phone number,
>> opening hours. This page
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code says "You can even
>> look them up on the official website of the place" which suggests you
>> can, but normal copyright of websites would suggest you can't. A clear
>> statement one way or the other would be useful (I may have missed
>> it...)
>>
>
> I'm almost certain you need permission from the company to use such data
> and that wiki page should probably be changed. There are a few companies
> I'm aware of which have granted OSM permission to use website data (at
> least in the UK), it's on another wiki page somewhere.
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Licences

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 at 13:49, Stephen Colebourne  wrote:
> I'd like to see some guidance on whether data can be taken directly
> from a business's website and entered directly into OSM. eg. on the
> "contact us" page there is often address, postcode, phone number,
> opening hours. This page
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:postal_code says "You can even
> look them up on the official website of the place" which suggests you
> can, but normal copyright of websites would suggest you can't.

My take is that if it's an independent store with a single site, or a
small group -- say up to about half a dozen premises -- then you can
use the address(es) listed on their official website, as they're
un-copyrightable facts. For chains with more stores, the addresses of
each branch will form part of a database, and then database rights put
them off-limits for OSM, unless you get specific permission from the
business.

Robert.

-- 
Robert Whittaker

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[Jez Nicholson]

I just updated the
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines#Copyright_Infringement
 section.

Your input (on the wiki) to assist new and existing UK mappers would be
greatly appreciated.

It does seem heavily Ordnance Survey dominated. I'm sure that other data
sources have been ratified as usable.

Regards,
 Jez
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