Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
Am 07.10.2019 um 15:50 schrieb David Woolley: > On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: >> The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL > > The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government > organisation has the ability to grant rights to. It excepts "third > party rights the Information Provider is not authorised to license;". > As such being OGL doesn't meant that you have a right to any RM data > it may contain. It needs to pointed out that being sure that the dataset does not contain 3rd party IP that can't be used on OGL terms is not just a theoretical point, but one that has happened in real life (for example it is partially responsible for the failure of openaddresses.uk). SImon > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
Am 07.10.2019 um 15:50 schrieb David Woolley: > On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: >> The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL > > The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government > organisation has the ability to grant rights to. It excepts "third > party rights the Information Provider is not authorised to license;". > As such being OGL doesn't meant that you have a right to any RM data > it may contain. It needs to pointed out that being sure that the dataset does not contain 3rd party IP that can't be used on OGL terms is not just a theoretical point, but one that has happened in real life (for example it is partially responsible for the failure of openaddresses.uk). SImon > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
On 07/10/2019 14:50, David Woolley wrote: On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government organisation has the ability to grant rights to. It excepts "third party rights the Information Provider is not authorised to license;". As such being OGL doesn't meant that you have a right to any RM data it may contain. Yes, but the ONS website licensing page lists the exceptions to OGL in its products. It is quite clear about the extent of OGL, and the data to which it does not apply. And it doesn't list the user type flag in postcode data as an exception. So, as far as ONS are concerned, the user type is OGL. That is the only valid conclusion from their wording. Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
On 07/10/2019 14:23, Mark Goodge wrote: The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL The OGL only applies to the parts of the data that relevant government organisation has the ability to grant rights to. It excepts "third party rights the Information Provider is not authorised to license;". As such being OGL doesn't meant that you have a right to any RM data it may contain. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
On 07/10/2019 11:43, Simon Poole wrote: Am 03.10.2019 um 10:26 schrieb Mark Goodge: ONSPD solves this problem, because it includes the "large user" flag. It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that was previously thought to be part of a proprietary dataset all alarm bells go off. Do you know how they derived that flag and if there is really no residual proprietary IP from RM in the data? The ONS website explicitly states that their postcode products are OGL, with the exception of NI postcodes (which need to be licensed separately from NI Land and Property Services). https://www.ons.gov.uk/methodology/geography/licences Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
On 07/10/2019 11:43, Simon Poole wrote: It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that was previously thought to be part of a proprietary dataset all alarm bells go off. Do you know how they derived that flag and if there is really no residual proprietary IP from RM in the data? Something you have to consider is the threat to RM. RM won't worry too much if they are not loosing revenue, but they probably make significant revenue from licensing the postcode database to commercial mapping services, so if OSM starts to effectively compete, RM may look rather closely at how OSM sourced its postcode data. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Import UK postcode data?
Am 03.10.2019 um 10:26 schrieb Mark Goodge: > > ONSPD solves this problem, because it includes the "large user" flag. > > It's the nature of the beast that when we are discussing OGL licensed datasets that when something turns up that was previously thought to be part of a proprietary dataset all alarm bells go off. Do you know how they derived that flag and if there is really no residual proprietary IP from RM in the data? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
