Re: [Talk-GB] Ficticious embankments? Vandalism.
On 18/3/20 1:42 am, ael wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 11:25:24AM +, Devonshire wrote: On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Warin wrote: On 17/3/20 8:02 am, ael wrote: The inability to mark an object's location as "authorititive" has always seemed like a massive shortcoming of the project to me. Stopping people re-aligning things based on a bad phone GPS or badly aligned aerial imagery is impossible and even realising that things have been incorrectly moved is random at best. I agree entirely and have often wished for exactly that. I sometimes use source=gps_surveys (plural) to try to convey that this is not just one random gps trace. In this case, I just had source=gps_survey. "source=average of multiple gps surveys, high accuracy" Be really descriptive... the 's' on the end of gps surveys is really easy to miss. I too regret the awful smartphone (and satnav) gps traces which suggest all gps is rubbish. I try not to upload any gps which is not reasonably accurate. And add a note if the gps quality is poor when it still has value, perhaps because there are no other traces in the area. I suppose that we ought to start a discussion on the tagging list to suggest source:accuracy = low|medium|high|differential Why? This can be placed in to source=phone for location, poor accuracy. This then is where you look for information on the source ... rather than yet another key. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?
On 2020-03-20 19:36, Andrew Hain wrote: > Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island. Yeah, that was the first thing I noticed. I changed that one back, and left comments on a couple of other changes, but when I saw the rest I gave up.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?
Also changing the name tag for Eel Pie Island. -- Andrew From: Colin Smale Sent: 20 March 2020 17:11 To: Talk-GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London? If there is anyone who keeps a weather eye on South-West London, in particular the Twickenham area, would they like to cast their eye over the changesets of a brand-new user "tommyf5"? He has been busy today making many changes that I would class as "fiddling" and don't look right, but a local eye would be beneficial. Examples are demoting St Margarets from suburb to neighbourhood, and renaming ways adjacent to a junction as "Whitton Road Intersection". https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tommyf5 Thanks! ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Anyone in South-West London?
If there is anyone who keeps a weather eye on South-West London, in particular the Twickenham area, would they like to cast their eye over the changesets of a brand-new user "tommyf5"? He has been busy today making many changes that I would class as "fiddling" and don't look right, but a local eye would be beneficial. Examples are demoting St Margarets from suburb to neighbourhood, and renaming ways adjacent to a junction as "Whitton Road Intersection". https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Tommyf5 Thanks!___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill
Dear CJ, I agree with your opinion of how open data Refill really is. The idea of contacting chains in Q3 or Q4 (or early next year depending on how the current crisis unfolds) makes a lot of sense. Best regards, Stuart On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 13:55 Cj Malone wrote: > "You can download our proprietary app, that uses our proprietary data, on > 2 proprietary app stores, on 2 proprietary platforms. The app is open." > > Doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well. > > Seriously though, I added the only local place I know about. But would it > be appropriate to contact some of the corporate chains involved, like Costa > and Starbucks, see if it is 100% universal across there UK stores and then > talk about an bulk import? > > Cj > > On 20 March 2020 10:55:39 GMT, European Water Project < > europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear All, >> >> Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill. >> >> Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary >> data, but their App is open because anybody can use it :) >> >> Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate >> their network over time without re-contributing ... Just a shame everyone >> can't just use the Refill App (sarcasm) ! >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> PS: Stay safe ! >> >> On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project < >> europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Dear Andy, >>> >>> If Refill.org.uk were to "license" their data to OSM, under what terms >>> would that be concretely? I don't want to misspeak (not show my total >>> ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill CEO on >>> Tuesday. >>> >>> In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I >>> put her in contact with? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett >>> wrote: >>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB wrote: > > I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data. They said this in July 2017: https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945 I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently: https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018 and have again today chased them for a response: https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609 -- Andy Mabbett @Pigsonthewing http://pigsonthewing.org.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill
"You can download our proprietary app, that uses our proprietary data, on 2 proprietary app stores, on 2 proprietary platforms. The app is open." Doesn't make much sense to me, but oh well. Seriously though, I added the only local place I know about. But would it be appropriate to contact some of the corporate chains involved, like Costa and Starbucks, see if it is 100% universal across there UK stores and then talk about an bulk import? Cj On 20 March 2020 10:55:39 GMT, European Water Project wrote: >Dear All, > >Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill. > >Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary >data, >but their App is open because anybody can use it :) > >Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate >their >network over time without re-contributing ... Just a shame everyone >can't >just use the Refill App (sarcasm) ! > >Best regards, > >Stuart > >PS: Stay safe ! > >On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project < >europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dear Andy, >> >> If Refill.org.uk were to "license" their data to OSM, under what >terms >> would that be concretely? I don't want to misspeak (not show my >total >> ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill >CEO on >> Tuesday. >> >> In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I >put >> her in contact with? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Stuart >> >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett >> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data. >>> >>> They said this in July 2017: >>> >>>https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945 >>> >>> I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently: >>> >>>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018 >>> >>> and have again today chased them for a response: >>> >>>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609 >>> >>> -- >>> Andy Mabbett >>> @Pigsonthewing >>> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >>> >>> ___ >>> Talk-GB mailing list >>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >>> >> -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill
On 20/03/2020 10:55, European Water Project wrote: Dear All, Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill. Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary data, but their App is open because anybody can use it :) For comparison purposes, I installed their app. While their base list of establishments in my town that offer free refills concurs with my own observations and council data, their mapping is awful. They've moved Tesco half a mile further down the road than it really is. A local independent coffee shop is on the wrong street. A cafe that I use regularly is in completely the wrong part of town! In fact, of the six locations they list here, only one of them (Wetherspoons!) has the correct coordinates. So they've clearly got significant quality control issues. It seems to me that an Open Data product based on OSM would be more reliable than their solution, however it's being implemented. Provided the location of a premises is correct in OSM (which it usually is), then simply tagging that premises as offering free refills provides all the information necessary. The Refill app, by contrast, expects users to supply coordinates themselves (by dragging and tapping on a map), which is always likely to be unreliable. Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate their network over time without re-contributing ... Just a shame everyone can't just use the Refill App (sarcasm) ! Based on what I've seen, people are better off not using it. Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Project Suggestion - drink_water:refill
Dear All, Just got off a long conversation with Rebecca Burgess, CEO of Refill. Unsurprisingly, Refill has no plans to share any of their proprietary data, but their App is open because anybody can use it :) Refill has plans to use more and more OpenStreetMap data to populate their network over time without re-contributing ... Just a shame everyone can't just use the Refill App (sarcasm) ! Best regards, Stuart PS: Stay safe ! On Sat, 14 Mar 2020 at 23:59, European Water Project < europeanwaterproj...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Andy, > > If Refill.org.uk were to "license" their data to OSM, under what terms > would that be concretely? I don't want to misspeak (not show my total > ignorance on the subject) when I talk to Rebecca Burgess, the Refill CEO on > Tuesday. > > In the unlikely event that Refill's position changes, with whom can I put > her in contact with? > > Best regards, > > Stuart > > On Sat, Mar 14, 2020, 21:10 Andy Mabbett > wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 11:27, Jake Edmonds via Talk-GB >> wrote: >> > >> > I understand Refill.org.uk are unwilling to license their data. >> >> They said this in July 2017: >> >>https://twitter.com/Refill/status/31637345234945 >> >> I've been pressing them on the point of open licensing, recently: >> >>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1216689988357718018 >> >> and have again today chased them for a response: >> >>https://twitter.com/pigsonthewing/status/1238919492568260609 >> >> -- >> Andy Mabbett >> @Pigsonthewing >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk >> >> ___ >> Talk-GB mailing list >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb >> > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
