Re: [Talk-GB] Q4 2020 Quarterly Project: Defibrillators
On 14/11/2020 12:39, Donald Noble wrote: Firstly, I have seen a few buildings that have an AED pictogram sign outside, suggesting that there is a defibrillator inside. Is this considered sufficient 'on the ground' evidence to add to the map. I'd say yes. Add access &/or note tag to clarify its accessibility & location. One I mapped was on the outside of a cricket pavilion, but you would probably have to climb a gate to get to it. DaveF ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Q4 2020 Quarterly Project: Defibrillators
> Firstly, I have seen a few buildings that have an AED pictogram sign outside, suggesting that there is a defibrillator inside. I know of two defib boxes near me that are in fact empty, despite being lit and signed. That's quite a high proportion of the tiny number (<10) that I'm aware of. On Sat, 14 Nov 2020 at 15:40, Cj Malone < me-osm-talk...@keepawayfromfire.co.uk> wrote: > > > Firstly, I have seen a few buildings that have an AED pictogram sign > > outside, suggesting that there is a defibrillator inside. Is this > > considered sufficient 'on the ground' evidence to add to the map. > > These are often locations that are noted up on the Survey Me! tool, > > but not always. > > I would argue so, we add phone numbers to hotels from outside signs. > > There is a question of if private defibs should be added to OSM, and > again I would argue for there addition. We aren't using these defibs > for routing in emergencies. We have no access liability with Ambulance > Services. These are added to OSM for education purposes, so that local > people can be better informed about there situation and so people can > process the data to workout areas that are under served, improve > coverage and save lives. > > > Secondly, I notice that Rob's otherwise excellent Survey Me! tool > > occasionally incorrectly matches a point quite far away, and so flags > > up a missing defibrillator, even though it is correctly mapped in the > > location expected by the tool. Is there an easy way to resolve these, > > or is this just too complex a problem? > > I don't think Rob has manual matching on his defib site, but I may be > wrong. > > The underlying issue is the quality of the source data, they don't > typically have coordinates, just a postcode so the location isn't that > accurate. They also don't have refs so we can't match defibs. > > Hopefully there will eventually be a central list of defibs that OSM > can work with and improve, BHF has hopes of doing this but it seems to > be a bit stagnant. I also hope this will be released Open Data, OSMUK > would be happy to help with that. > > > Either way, it just highlights another reason why this too cannot be > used to add data to OSM. > > The copyright situation is the external reason, it'll put OSMF in a bad > position. Copying this data is just as bad as using Google Maps as a > source. > > > However, next time I am passing by the station, I think there is one > > missing that I can add. This might fix this incorrect matching… > > I have noticed that the more defibs in OSM, the better the matching > gets. But that's not always the case. > > > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Q4 2020 Quarterly Project: Defibrillators
> Firstly, I have seen a few buildings that have an AED pictogram sign > outside, suggesting that there is a defibrillator inside. Is this > considered sufficient 'on the ground' evidence to add to the map. > These are often locations that are noted up on the Survey Me! tool, > but not always. I would argue so, we add phone numbers to hotels from outside signs. There is a question of if private defibs should be added to OSM, and again I would argue for there addition. We aren't using these defibs for routing in emergencies. We have no access liability with Ambulance Services. These are added to OSM for education purposes, so that local people can be better informed about there situation and so people can process the data to workout areas that are under served, improve coverage and save lives. > Secondly, I notice that Rob's otherwise excellent Survey Me! tool > occasionally incorrectly matches a point quite far away, and so flags > up a missing defibrillator, even though it is correctly mapped in the > location expected by the tool. Is there an easy way to resolve these, > or is this just too complex a problem? I don't think Rob has manual matching on his defib site, but I may be wrong. The underlying issue is the quality of the source data, they don't typically have coordinates, just a postcode so the location isn't that accurate. They also don't have refs so we can't match defibs. Hopefully there will eventually be a central list of defibs that OSM can work with and improve, BHF has hopes of doing this but it seems to be a bit stagnant. I also hope this will be released Open Data, OSMUK would be happy to help with that. > Either way, it just highlights another reason why this too cannot be used to add data to OSM. The copyright situation is the external reason, it'll put OSMF in a bad position. Copying this data is just as bad as using Google Maps as a source. > However, next time I am passing by the station, I think there is one > missing that I can add. This might fix this incorrect matching… I have noticed that the more defibs in OSM, the better the matching gets. But that's not always the case. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Q4 2020 Quarterly Project: Defibrillators
Hello list, I have a couple of queries about the Q4 project to map defibrillators. Firstly, I have seen a few buildings that have an AED pictogram sign outside, suggesting that there is a defibrillator inside. Is this considered sufficient 'on the ground' evidence to add to the map. These are often locations that are noted up on the Survey Me! tool, but not always. Secondly, I notice that Rob's otherwise excellent Survey Me! tool occasionally incorrectly matches a point quite far away, and so flags up a missing defibrillator, even though it is correctly mapped in the location expected by the tool. An example of this in central Edinburgh https://osm.mathmos.net/defib/progress/EH/#17/55.95237/-3.19051 where the Scott Monument AED is mapped, but incorrectly matched to one in the station (although the postcode for this locates it in the shopping centre!), which I think is also incorrectly matched. Is there an easy way to resolve these, or is this just too complex a problem? Either way, it just highlights another reason why this too cannot be used to add data to OSM. However, next time I am passing by the station, I think there is one missing that I can add. This might fix this incorrect matching… Cheers, Donald On Fri, 9 Oct 2020 at 16:20, Gareth L wrote: > Hello, > > > > The UK quarterly project for Q4 has been selected as Defibrillators. > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_2020_Q4_Project:_Defibrillators > > > > A check on taginfo shows there are 4181 nodes and ways with > emergency=defibrillator in Great Britain. Reading > https://cesafety.co.uk/list-of-public-access-defibrillators-across-the-uk > from August 2019 reports that there are 5304 defibrillators in London alone. > > > > The Q3 project on cycle infrastructure has some very encouraging results, > which I’ll post about separately. > > > > Best regards, > > Gareth > > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > -- Donald Noble http://drnoble.co.uk - http://flickr.com/photos/drnoble ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
