Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] The Two Towers (at Bentley)

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

See https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key%3Aadvertising
Maybe add a new value of "tower" or use the existing "column".

Ian


On Fri, 12 Nov 2021 at 14:46, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> How should we tag these two towers, that seem to exist primarily or
> only for advertising purposes, at Boundary Mill, Bentley, Walsall?
>
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/367659835
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Advertising_pillar,_Boundary_Mill,_Walsall_-_2021-11-12_-_Andy_Mabbett_-_01.jpg
>
>
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/367659836
>
>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Advertising_pillar,_Boundary_Mill,_Walsall_-_2021-11-12_-_Andy_Mabbett_-_02.jpg
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I plan to be there.

Ian


On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 at 14:17, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Thursday March 5th 730 The Bull. Come with ideas for travelling meetings
> in the summer
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> Regards
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Tagging showgrounds

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

As a local, I think it should be tagged as commercial. There is some event
there most weeks. It's a very commercial organisation.



On Mon, 24 Feb 2020, 09:58 Mark Goodge,  wrote:

> Morning all,
>
> Someone has commented on a change I made to the Three Counties
> showground last year when I changed the tagging to landuse=grass rather
> than landuse=commercial. Their suggestion is that it really ought to be
> landuse=recreation_ground, with a secondary tag of surface=grass.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/74103491#map=16/52.0834/-2.3235
>
> I've responded to that comment on the changeset, but I thought it would
> be worth throwing out here as well.
>
> I do think that tagging showgrounds as landuse=commercial is generally
> incorrect; it doesn't match the description of 'commercial' in the wiki
> and doesn't reflect the typical uses of showgrounds both when a show is
> on and when one isn't.
>
> The reason I tagged the Three Counties showground as grass is because,
> most of the year, that's precisely what it is - an open area of
> grassland. Unless there is an event on (which only happens for a
> minority of days in a year) it is just an open space.
>
> Looking at a few other showgrounds across the country, we don't seem to
> have any consistency.
>
> The East of England Showground is tagged as landuse=recreation_ground:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.5456/-0.3170
>
> The Suffolk Showground is tagged as a park:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.0330/1.2277
>
> So is the Staffordshire County Showgound:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.8255/-2.0643
>
> The former Royal Showground at Stoneleigh is tagged as commercial, but
> in that case that's probably now correct as it's no longer used as a
> showground and is gradually being redeveloped as a business park:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/52.3435/-1.5220
>
> The Great Yorkshire Showground isn't tagged as an area at all, just a
> network of roads and individual features:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/53.9830/-1.5065
>
> Similarly with the Norfolk Showground
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6490/1.1793
>
> And the Bath and West Showground:
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/51.1552/-2.5265
>
> So, what do people think? Personally, I think that showgrounds ought to
> be tagged as an area, because they do, typically, have clear boundaries
> and are distinct from their surrounding context. But I'm less sure what
> the area should be tagged as. I think commercial is usually wrong, for
> the reasons I've already given, but I can see an argument for either
> grass, recreation_ground or even park.
>
> Thoughts, anyone?
>
> Mark
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Mappa Mercia this Thursday

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I hope to be there.

Ian


On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 18:14, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Good for me - I'll be there
>
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 13:12, Rob Nickerson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> By my calendar it is the next meetup this coming Thursday. I am assuming
>> central Birmingham, likely at The Bull...?
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Showgrounds (tagging)

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

For the  Three Counties Showground in Malvern
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/35432806 is tagged with
landuse=commercial. Any given the number of events there most of which are
commercial. Commercial would be correct. That how the NEC is mapped
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/243830271.

Ian


On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 at 20:55, SK53  wrote:

> I just came across  an
> agricultural showground tagged as leisure=park and realised I didn't know
> what a sensible way to retag it would be. Although there are a limited
> number in the UK (perhaps 100 or so) they do tend to be quite prominent and
> when major events take place at them (e.g., Scout Jamborees, National
> Eisteddfod) good tagging can be useful. I recall Richard Bullock mapping
> the Royal Cheshire quite a few years ago as it helped parents pick up their
> children after the scout Jamboree.
>
> Various (inconsistent) approaches have been used:
>
> * Newark  & Norfolk
>  mapped as tourism=attraction
> * Rutland  as
> leisure=recreation_ground (there are certainly sports pitches here out of
> events)
> * Royal Cheshire  as
> amenity=showground with landuse=grass.
>
> It strikes me that how grounds are a special type of events venue and
> perhaps rather than using amenity=showground it may be better to use
> amenity=events_venue with a subtag events_venue=showground. leisure &
> tourism tags may still be applicable, and landuse=grass can still be (mis-)
> used to show the area (see Newark & Royal Cheshire). Alternatives might be
> amenity=exhibition_centre, but this seems more for places like the NEC. The
> current wiki description circumscribes events venues fairly closely, so
> this would be an extension in meaning.
>
> I don't think anything in the UK (or Europe) is quite on the scale of the 
> Minnesota
> State Fair  which certainly
> merits tourism=attraction.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry
>
> Any thoughts,
>
> Jerry
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Collaboration with shire tansport authorities

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I am OK for  Worcestershire

Ian


On Tue, 23 Apr 2019 at 11:46, Brian Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> Mainly for west mids mappers but cross-posted to talkgb for a wider
> audience.
>
> For some time I've collaborated with TfWM who make extensive use of
> OpenStreetMap. Together we've refreshed the entire NapTAN dataset for the
> West Midlands and we're engaged on an ongoing basis in solving data quality
> issues where the OSM data throws up errors with their bus routeing software.
> Word spreads and at a regional meeting of  shire transport authorities
> there was a request for contact with local OSM volunteers in the following
> areas:
>
> Herefordshire, Shropshire, Staffordshire, Stoke, Telford, Warwickshire,
> Worcestershire
>
> If anyone wants to volunteer please get in touch with me and I can put you
> in touch. It will mainly involve dealing with errors they spot such as
> missing/wrong roadnames, missing/wrong roads. With TfWM there's been an
> average of one of these week, sometimes bunched together followed by weeks
> with nothing - so not a heavy workload and worth the effort to improve the
> data.
>
> If my experience is anything to go by, there'll be an initial peak and
> then they'll realise, with a little prompting, it's easier and quicker to
> fix the errors themselves. But it's good to have an initial period of
> handholding as  I think they are respectful  of causing any damage
>
> Regards
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Re: [Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

For now, for the commons around Malvern I will add landuse,  In most cases
landuse=meadow.

Ian


On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 12:54, Edward Catmur  wrote:

> They're going to be retagged anyway to get them to render in the main map,
> so I doubt that's a solution.
>
> Any conclusion on how to tag them now?
>
> Perhaps leisure=park, park=common?
>
> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019, 12:51 SK53,  wrote:
>
>> Yup, it's gone. I think the standard thing is use Andy's (SomeoneElse)
>> map which is likely to retain features of value & relevance to British &
>> Irish map users.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 at 12:35, Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB <
>> talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In the last day or two the standard renderer as stop rendering  common
>>> land (leisure=common) see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311973831
>>>
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[Talk-GB] Common Land has stopped rendering

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-GB]

In the last day or two the standard renderer as stop rendering  common land
(leisure=common) see https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311973831

Ian
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] March Meeting

[Ian Caldwell via Talk-gb-westmidlands]

I should be there

Ian



On Sun, 3 Mar 2019 at 19:42, Br

Ian
Prangle  wrote:

> Hi everyone
>
> This Thursday 7 March is our scheduled date for our monthly meeting. I've
> checked that the Bull has re-opened so see you there at about 730
>
> Regards
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