Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: ANNOUNCING GB1900 -- Online volunteers needed to build the most comprehensive gazetteer of British place names

[Paul Williams]

Also it says in the email "the GB1900 system is programmed to dump out its
current place name database every 24 hours, and once it starts to build up
we can make this dump available for download without funding. It will be
under the simplest form of the Creative Commons license, which means
anybody can use it for anything, even commercial".

Paul

On 23 September 2016 at 19:28, Craig Wallace  wrote:

> On 2016-09-23 19:15, SK53 wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> I'd be very interested in this providing it has a decent licence. AFAIK
>> Vision of Britain has a restrictive licence which means that I have
>> spent some time recreating small parts of their data on OHM (e.g.,
>> London Boroughs of the LCC). There's still a tendency for academia to
>> choose Non-commercial licences, which means local historians still need
>> permission to use the data in their, typically, modestly priced
>> publications. Of course just like Google & OSM, the sceptre of
>> ancestry.com  probably affects the licence model.
>>
>
> The GB1900 site says:
> "By contributing to this website, so that it can be used by everyone, you
> agree that the Creative Commons Zero(CC0 1.0 Universal) licence be applied
> to all work created by you through this website"
>
> So that should mean no restrictions for reuse.
>
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: ANNOUNCING GB1900 -- Online volunteers needed to build the most comprehensive gazetteer of British place names

[Paul Williams]

I spotted the message below on a mailing list I'm on, and thought it might
be also of interest to OpenStreetMappers. I've noticed that their site uses
OSM as a background map (use the slider at the top right of the map to fade
in/out between the old map and OSM).

Cheers,
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

-- Forwarded message --
From: humphrey <humphrey.south...@port.ac.uk>
Date: 22 September 2016 at 21:20
Subject: ANNOUNCING GB1900 -- Online volunteers needed to build the most
comprehensive gazetteer of British place names
To: archives-...@jiscmail.ac.uk


The GB1900 web site is now live:

http://www.gb1900.org

List members who attended the UK Archives Discovery Forum at the National
Archives in March may have seen our poster display. GB1900 is a joint
project between my team at the University of Portsmouth, the National
Library of Scotland and four Welsh partners: the Royal Commission on the
Ancient and Historical Monuments of Wales, the University of Wales Centre
for Advanced Welsh and Celtic Studies, the National Library of Wales and
the People’s Collection Wales.

The aim is, through crowd-sourcing, to transcribe all the names on the 2nd
Edition Ordnance Survey "County Series” six inch maps of the whole of Great
Britain, and to make the resulting gazetteer freely available. We are
particularly hoping that some archive’s volunteers will be able to put
working into their local area.

A press release, with some dodgy quotes “from me” but invented by the PR
guy, is here:

http://www.gb1900.org/press-release.html

If you were’t at the UKAD Forum but this still sounds a little familiar, it
is because GB1900 is based on the earlier Cymru1900Wales project. If you go
to the GB1900 site, you will see it is already claiming  over 300,000 names
transcribed and over 400 volunteers at work, and this is because it
inherits all the contents from Cymru1900. However, this is not just a
re-branding:

== Cymru1900 worked with six inch map scans of Wales already licensed from
a commercial supplier. GB1900 works with a quite different and higher
quality set of scans covering the whole of Great Britain, created by the
National Library of Scotland.

== Cymru1900 gathered a lot of transcriptions, but very few were
re-transcribed for confirmation. The software has been modified to make the
need for confirmatory transcriptions clearer, the process simpler and the
results much more visual. Incidentally, this means that although it is now
hard to find new names to transcribe in Wales, there is a great deal of
work to be done there confirming the existing transcriptions: turn those
markers from green to purple!

== While Cymru1900 ran somewhere “in the cloud”, GB1900 runs on a server in
Portsmouth.

WHY DO THIS?

Gazetteers which tell you where towns and villages are/were are plentiful,
but those County Series maps include names for just about every farm, wood
and many parts of settlements. We are asking volunteer transcribers to
gather every piece of text on each map, other than purely numerical
strings, so we will also be including, at least in the raw data, many
“Waterfalls”, Brickworks” and so on. Based on how many names were gathered
by the Welsh project, our guess is that the final harvest will be around 3
million “names”.

It is worth explaining why two existing resources don’t meet this need:

— The DEEP project created the Historical Gazetteer of England's
Place-Names (http://www.placenames.org.uk) from the reports of the English
Place Names Survey and offering "four million+ historical place-name
forms". That means it is based on real place name scholarship, but it has
two big limitations considered simply as a finding aid for places:  the
EPNS is far from complete, with several counties not even started (see
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/research/groups/epns/survey.aspx), and although
the DEEP gazetteer includes many landscape features within each parish
entry, the only geographical coordinates are for parishes. The count of
“place-name forms” of course reflects the very large number of variant
names in the system. Some of the earliest EPNS County surveys cover ONLY
parish names.

— The Ordnance Survey have made their Open Names gazetteer freely
available, and initially it sounds very promising: “2.5 million accurate
locations”. However, read a little further and you find "870,000 named and
numbered roads, nearly 44,000 settlements and over 1.6 million postcodes” —
which does not leave much room for farms or woods. The OS’ core MasterMap
system does list farms and woods, but it is anything but freely available.

WHAT WE ARE NOT ANNOUNCING TODAY

The GB1900 system is not an online gazetteer, but rather a machine for
building a gazetteer (it does include a simple gazetteer of settlements,
but that is off-the-shelf and there just to help you find the right part of
the map to work on).

Our aim is to build an online place name search facility accessing the
final 

Re: [Talk-GB] Refs on Tertiary Unclassifed Roads in Highland

[Paul Williams]

Apart from C, D, U etc roads, there are also many A and B roads which
officially have a number but that number isn't signposted anywhere.
For example in Derby, there is the A601 (Inner Ring Road), A5194
(London Rd) and B6000 (road to railway station). I'm fairly certain
there isn't a single signpost which refers to these numbers but
someone has added the ref into OSM. In London also there seem to be a
lot of B roads which aren't signed, yet a ref tag has been added, such
as Brick Lane (which isn't even really suitable as a through route to
vehicles).

I think as has been argued for the tertiary/unclassified roads, that
it would be sensible to retag the refs on those roads to official:ref,
admin_ref or something similar.

Cheers,
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Open Data User Group asks what data do you want

[Paul Williams]

The sectional appendices have been fairly recently made available as
PDFs on the Network Rail website
(http://www.networkrail.co.uk/aspx/10563.aspx - see links on right
hand side of page) but it doesn't say anything on that page about them
being open data.

Cheers
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

On 27 September 2012 23:19, Richard Mann
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.com wrote:
 I've asked for Network Rail's Sectional Appendices (track layout diagrams
 and lots of other goodies) to be available in PDF form.

 Richard

 On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 Hi All,

 Just a quick heads up that the Open Data User Group (supported by UK
 Government) as asking what data do you want. If interested there are
 details of the initiative and a simple form to fill out:

 http://www.data.gov.uk/odug/overview
 http://data.gov.uk/node/add/data-request

 Cheers,
 Rob

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[Talk-GB] Linux Format article about OSM

[Paul Williams]

I thought folks might be interested to know that there's a four page
article about OSM in the magazine Linux Format (the November 2012
issue - despite that cover date it is already out, at least in my
local WHSmith). It includes a basic tutorial on mapping so hopefully
it might attract a few new mappers!

Cheers
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] Routing and other problems west of Uttoxeter

[Paul Williams]

It does looks like he has been trying to contribute to the map, but is
doing nearly everything wrong. In Cheadle particularly it looks like
he has made a big effort to map the town in detail, but his work is
full of spelling, capitalization and other errors.

Cheers
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

On 8 August 2011 12:20, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
...
 Presumably there comes a point where we have to say enough is enough?  The
 general guidlines on the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Vandalism; see
 relevant here (even though I'm pretty sure that this isn't vandalism - just
 incompetence).

 Along with other people, I've tried to contact darren39 several times over
 the last year and have never had a reply.  He's actually been editing since
 October 2008 but is still adding unconnected streets with misspellings such
 as Shakespere Court and Tigar Yard and with dubious positional accuracy.

 What does the community think the next step should be?  Is it an email to
 the data working group or is that only relevant for actual vandalism rather
 than just crap mapping?  Obviously this would have to take place in parallel
 with fixing the data - but we've repainting that particular Forth Bridge for
 3 years now* and patching the gaps in the A52 and A523 gets tedious when you
 do it for the third time.

 Cheers,
 Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] Routing and other problems west of Uttoxeter

[Paul Williams]

I've found that there is still a big problem with unconnected roads in
the area west of Uttoxeter (including in Stoke-on-Trent), as well as
various other problems including self intersecting and overlapping
roads, and invalid turn restrictions (for example,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/1633622/history). The
problems have been found on major roads such as the A50 as well as
minor roads and paths in a large area mainly around North
Staffordshire, so I'm guessing that the current data is largely
useless for routing in the area.

I've so far fixed some of the problems along the A50 in Stoke and am
currently working on sorting out the Longton area, but could do with
some help to fix the rest.

Cheers
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

On 11 July 2011 17:47, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:
 On 28/06/2011 20:45, Richard Bullock wrote:

 It seems Mr Darren39 has simply nuked all of my contributions in the
 north and east of the town, and replaced them with his own - and none of the
 ways connect to any other ways. A whole section of the A523 is missing. Much
 of the replacements are a complete mess.

 I've just noticed that there are similar issues west of Uttoxeter.  I've
 mailed him about the deletion but do not expect a reply.

 Down there is a bit out of my area so am mentioning it here in case anyone
 needs a heads-up.

 Cheers,
 Andy


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[Talk-GB] Vandalism/bad edits in Cardiff (changeset 7775606)

[Paul Williams]

Hi,
In and around Cardiff city centre, a new user has recently decided in
his first edit (see
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7775606) to go about and
delete several things from the map including POIs, roads or parts of
roads, and even the Cardiff place node - so Cardiff is now not on OSM
as a place! I sent a polite message to the user on Sunday morning to
ask whether he had made some mistake but haven't had a response yet. I
can't see anything in the changeset which is at all constructive, all
he seems to have done is delete things which were correctly mapped, so
I was wondering whether the changeset can be reverted.

Cheers
Paul Williams
(Paul The Archivist)

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Re: [Talk-GB] OS Locator - using in JOSM

[Paul Williams]

I've now used the OS Locator data to create a table (see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/Derby/Abbey Ward) to detail the progress
in mapping the roads in an area and use it to help identify the roads
which are not mapped.

I don't know whether this has been done anywhere else, but others
might find such a table to be useful in their local area. It can be
used to help keep track of not just which streets are mapped and which
are not, but also whether amenities and shops etc and addresses have
been mapped on any particular street, and recording when they were
last mapped or checked to see how up-to-date the OSM data is. Creating
the table of street names is fairly quick if you do it by importing
the OS Locator data, though checking which streets have been mapped is
more time consuming.

To do this I followed the instructions on the wiki page
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#OS_Locator)
to create a spreadsheet of the local OS Locator data. I edited the
spreadsheet to remove unwanted columns and add columns for information
I wanted to add. The spreadsheet was then sorted by ward area followed
by street name (I decided to split the data by ward, as otherwise the
table would be huge!). To put this into the wiki I used the Copy 
Paste Excel-to-Wiki Converter website (http://excel2wiki.net), which
also works with OpenOffice.org Calc, to create a table and simply
pasted the wiki code into the OSM wiki on a subpage of my city. I'm
thinking of creating these pages for each ward in Derby, (after
waiting to see if there are any comments on the first page I created).

Cheers
Paul
(Paul The Archivist)

On 22 April 2010 09:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
 Robert Scott li...@... writes:

I've been playing with the OS OpenData Locator dataset, which contains
the XY coordinates for the ends  midpoint of many of the UK's roads.

We could probably quite easily generate a comparison between OSM and OS
streetnames, matching similarly named streets within the same vicinity in both
datasets. This could pick up quite a few useful things like disagreements
between spelling.

 Yes, and also a list of missing streets in OSM.  (Once an area is 95% mapped,
 finding the last few missing streets is hard.)

 --
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Re: [Talk-GB] OS Locator - using in JOSM

[Paul Williams]

Oops, that weblink should be
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/Derby/Abbey_Ward

On 25 April 2010 13:29, Paul Williams pjwde...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I've now used the OS Locator data to create a table (see
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/Derby/Abbey Ward) to detail the progress
 in mapping the roads in an area and use it to help identify the roads
 which are not mapped.

 I don't know whether this has been done anywhere else, but others
 might find such a table to be useful in their local area. It can be
 used to help keep track of not just which streets are mapped and which
 are not, but also whether amenities and shops etc and addresses have
 been mapped on any particular street, and recording when they were
 last mapped or checked to see how up-to-date the OSM data is. Creating
 the table of street names is fairly quick if you do it by importing
 the OS Locator data, though checking which streets have been mapped is
 more time consuming.

 To do this I followed the instructions on the wiki page
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#OS_Locator)
 to create a spreadsheet of the local OS Locator data. I edited the
 spreadsheet to remove unwanted columns and add columns for information
 I wanted to add. The spreadsheet was then sorted by ward area followed
 by street name (I decided to split the data by ward, as otherwise the
 table would be huge!). To put this into the wiki I used the Copy 
 Paste Excel-to-Wiki Converter website (http://excel2wiki.net), which
 also works with OpenOffice.org Calc, to create a table and simply
 pasted the wiki code into the OSM wiki on a subpage of my city. I'm
 thinking of creating these pages for each ward in Derby, (after
 waiting to see if there are any comments on the first page I created).

 Cheers
 Paul
 (Paul The Archivist)

 On 22 April 2010 09:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
 Robert Scott li...@... writes:

I've been playing with the OS OpenData Locator dataset, which contains
the XY coordinates for the ends  midpoint of many of the UK's roads.

We could probably quite easily generate a comparison between OSM and OS
streetnames, matching similarly named streets within the same vicinity in 
both
datasets. This could pick up quite a few useful things like disagreements
between spelling.

 Yes, and also a list of missing streets in OSM.  (Once an area is 95% mapped,
 finding the last few missing streets is hard.)

 --
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Re: [Talk-GB] OS Locator - using in JOSM

[Paul Williams]

No that doesn't work! It's
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Derby/Abbey_Ward

On 25 April 2010 14:35, Paul Williams pjwde...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Oops, that weblink should be
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/Derby/Abbey_Ward

 On 25 April 2010 13:29, Paul Williams pjwde...@googlemail.com wrote:
 I've now used the OS Locator data to create a table (see
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/Derby/Abbey Ward) to detail the progress
 in mapping the roads in an area and use it to help identify the roads
 which are not mapped.

 I don't know whether this has been done anywhere else, but others
 might find such a table to be useful in their local area. It can be
 used to help keep track of not just which streets are mapped and which
 are not, but also whether amenities and shops etc and addresses have
 been mapped on any particular street, and recording when they were
 last mapped or checked to see how up-to-date the OSM data is. Creating
 the table of street names is fairly quick if you do it by importing
 the OS Locator data, though checking which streets have been mapped is
 more time consuming.

 To do this I followed the instructions on the wiki page
 (http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_Opendata#OS_Locator)
 to create a spreadsheet of the local OS Locator data. I edited the
 spreadsheet to remove unwanted columns and add columns for information
 I wanted to add. The spreadsheet was then sorted by ward area followed
 by street name (I decided to split the data by ward, as otherwise the
 table would be huge!). To put this into the wiki I used the Copy 
 Paste Excel-to-Wiki Converter website (http://excel2wiki.net), which
 also works with OpenOffice.org Calc, to create a table and simply
 pasted the wiki code into the OSM wiki on a subpage of my city. I'm
 thinking of creating these pages for each ward in Derby, (after
 waiting to see if there are any comments on the first page I created).

 Cheers
 Paul
 (Paul The Archivist)

 On 22 April 2010 09:57, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote:
 Robert Scott li...@... writes:

I've been playing with the OS OpenData Locator dataset, which contains
the XY coordinates for the ends  midpoint of many of the UK's roads.

We could probably quite easily generate a comparison between OSM and OS
streetnames, matching similarly named streets within the same vicinity in 
both
datasets. This could pick up quite a few useful things like disagreements
between spelling.

 Yes, and also a list of missing streets in OSM.  (Once an area is 95% 
 mapped,
 finding the last few missing streets is hard.)

 --
 Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com


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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October meeting

[Paul Williams]

Hello,
For anyone cycling to the City Tavern for the meeting tomorrow, you can put
your bikes in the back yard of the pub (the landlord has given permission
for this). The access to the yard is through a door/gate at the side of the
pub on Tennant Street. This door is kept locked (from the street, but not
from the inside), so it will be necessary to ask me or ask at the bar for it
to be opened (though it could perhaps be kept open for a couple of minutes
around 7pm for people arriving at that time). Bikes can be chained to a
ladder in the yard for additional security.

Cheers
Paul

2009/9/28 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com

 Great, I've updated the page:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mappa_Mercia#Next_Group_Meet-ups


 Hope to see you all there. Have a meeting in London that day so depends
 what
 time I get back in on the train.

 Cheers

 Andy

 -Original Message-
 From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@googlemail.com]
 Sent: 25 September 2009 10:31 AM
 To: Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
 Cc: Paul Williams; talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October meeting
 
 I'm OK to go for the City Tavern
 
 
 2009/9/24 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) ajrli...@googlemail.com
 
 
Thanks Paul. I'm game to try it next Thursday.
 
btw, trains run every 10 mins through 5 ways on the cross city line
 during
the day until 7pm. later they hicupp being at either 10 min or 20
 min
intervals mostly until the last train back to New Street at just
 before
midnight. Timetable below.
http://www.londonmidland.com/download/14742/lichfield-sutton-
 coldfield-birmi
ngham-longbridge-redditch/
 http://www.londonmidland.com/download/14742/lichfield-sutton-coldfield-
 birmi%0Angham-longbridge-redditch/
 
 
Cheers
 
Andy
-Original Message-
From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:
 talk-
 gb-
westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Paul
 Williams
 
Sent: 24 September 2009 8:17 PM
To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October meeting

I don't think there will be any problem with noise, as it's a
 fairly
 quiet
pub and doesn't have loud music (except for events with music - of
 which
there are none on Thursdays) or TVs etc and has two separate
 rooms,
 so if
one is more noisy it is possible to go into the other one.

I asked the landlord about bikes - he says he can accommodate up
 to
 about
six in an area at the back of the pub where it would be safe for
 them to be
locked up.

For those travelling from the main part of the city centre,
 another
 option
to walking or getting the train to Five Ways is to catch the bus -
 there
are plenty going up Broad Street. The train to Five Ways is
 however
 also
very frequent even in the evenings (about every 15 mins).

Cheers
Paul


2009/9/23 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists)
 ajrli...@googlemail.com


   Sounds an interesting possibility, though it is a bit
 further
 out (I
guess
   Five Ways station is the closest or a longer walk from New
 Street).
What
   we've noted from experience is that it's important also
 that
 the
place isn’t
   too noisy, otherwise it's too difficult to get a discussion
 going
beyond a
   one to one. Also it needs to be safe for locked up bikes.
 Any
comments on
   these two points?

   I'm happy to give it a try. The Queens arms is perfectly
 ok,
 just
missing
   the wifi, which probably isn’t the end of the world when we
 consider
the
   winter months are very much social orientated rather than
 mapping.

   What do others think?

   Cheers

   Andy


   -Original Message-
   From: talk-gb-westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org
 [mailto:talk-
gb-
   westmidlands-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Paul
 Williams
   Sent: 22 September 2009 9:31 PM
   To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org
   Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] October meeting
   
   Another possibility might be the City Tavern (on
 Bishopsgate
Street,
off
   Broad Street, near Five Ways - see
 http://osm.org/go/euzMC4Vpk--
for
map).
   At the last meeting, I mentioned this pub but it seemed
 not
 to be
suitable
   as I thought they didn't do food. I've since found out
 that
 they do
a curry
   night