Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter Directors' Powers

2016-04-27 Thread Richard Symonds 
Rob,

While I understand the thrust you're trying to make towards a more "members
have the power" system, setting the bar as low as five members and having a
simple "online poll" in lieu of a meeting of the members would have two
problems:

   1. Entryism would be almost comically easy. It would be a small matter
   for myself and four friends to paralyse the chapter by constantly calling
   votes on anything and everything - for example, calling an online poll on
   the existence of the chapter. This would prevent them doing anything and
   everything which isn't a contractual or statutory obligation. It doesn't
   matter if I don't win, I can just call another one immediately afterwards,
   and the directors would be unable to stop me. If they wanted to try, I
   could just call a motion on whether or not they should stop me, which would
   prevent them from doing so for seven days.
   2. I'm concerned that any poll would be profoundly undemocratic unless
   carried out with the same rigour as a proper vote, in which case it would
   be a vote. If a member is on holiday for a week, or if they live overseas,
   they'll simply miss out - even the quick ones ("Blueys") can take six days
   to arrive. The 14 days notice period is really important, as is the
   formality of a vote which is binding on the directors. If the directors are
   going to be bound by something, that something needs to be properly planned
   and executed to the highest standards.


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On 25 April 2016 at 13:12, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) <
robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 23 April 2016 at 16:10, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > To breed a culture of Member-led organisation (with Directors as figure
> > heads) I suggest:
> >
> > Directors have all the power
> > Members can direct the Directors to take/refrain from taking action via a
> > ORDINARY Resolution
> > Voting on Ordinary resolutions can be opened immediately (not 14 days),
> be
> > online, and after a period of X days the vote is passed if 50% of those
> who
> > voted (not 75% of ALL members in the case of the Written Special
> Resolution)
> > accept the resolution.
> >
> > This sends a strong message that this is a member led organisation.
>
> I agree that having a faster/easier mechanism for the members to reign
> in the directors would be a good thing, and would force the directors
> to consult the members and only proceed with their consent. However,
> I'm not convinced that it would be a good idea (from a company law
> point of view) to re-define "Ordinary Resolutions" to achieve this. As
> an alternative solution, perhaps we should introduce the concept of a
> more informal vote, say an "Online Pole", which members can use to
> direct the directors. I would envisage something like this:
>
> * Any five members may request that the directors run an Online Pole
> on any matter concerning the way the Company is being run by the
> directors.
> * On receipt of such a request, a pole will be opened as soon as
> practicable, and notice sent to all members.
> * Once such a request has been received, the directors must refrain
> from taking any action contrary to the pole motion until after the
> pole has closed, unless this would result in them being unable to meet
> a statutory or prior contractual obligation.
> * An online pole closes at midnight UK time at the end of the 7th day
> following the day that notice is sent to all members.
> * The directors are bound by any motion in an online pole passed by a
> simple majority of those voting, unless this would result in them
> being unable to meet a statutory or prior contractual obligation,
> until such time as the motion is set aside or superseded by a
> subsequent pole or resolution.
>
> Alternatively, we could redefine the section on written resolutions
> along the lines of the above.
>
> (With the current draft of the AoA, as far as I can see, there's
> actually no way for the members to demand a written resolution in
> order to exercise their S9 power to direct the directors. So currently
> they'd have to call a General Meeting and propose the resolution

Re: [Talk-GB] OSM with Wikidata: now covers UK and Ireland

2016-03-10 Thread Richard Symonds 
>
> "To fix in wikidata/wikipedia is there one place to edit it so that it
> propagates to wikidata and all the different language wikipedias? "


The best way is to update wikidata, and in good time it will propagate
across to the various Wikipedias once they're linked with Wikidata (not all
are fully linked yet, but they will be in time)

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On 10 March 2016 at 20:35, Ian Caldwell <ian1caldwell+...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> This analysis shows some errors in both wikidata/wikipedia and OSM, we
> should try and fix some of them.
>
> On error in particular is difference in location, in Worcestershire  they
> are 36 cases were the distance is 1 km or more. It quite a lot of cases
> this is an error in wikidata/wikipedia. To fix in wikidata/wikipedia is
> there one place to edit it so that it propagates to wikidata and all the
> different language wikipedias?
>
>
> Ian
>
> On 10 March 2016 at 17:57, Edward Betts <edw...@4angle.com> wrote:
>
>> I've extended my search for matches between OSM and Wikidata again. It now
>> covers all of the UK and Ireland.
>>
>> I used map data from
>> http://download.geofabrik.de/europe/british-isles.html
>>
>> The results are grouped by region or county as well as by category.
>>
>> http://edwardbetts.com/osm-wikidata/gb-ie/
>>
>> I'm going to figure out how to upload these matches to OSM. I've
>> registered an
>> account with the username Wikidata to use for the uploads.
>>
>> There will be one changeset per county + category for any category with
>> 10 or
>> more matches in that county. Categories with less than 10 matches in the
>> county will be combined into a single changeset.
>>
>> OSM objects with an existing wikidata tag won't be changed.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Case study: Big Pathwatch

2016-02-29 Thread Richard Symonds 
Hurrah!

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On 29 February 2016 at 15:39, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> All,
>
> Last year the Ramblers launched an app to encourage people to report
> problems with rights of way.
>
> The concept was easy: You pick a 1km square, survey the paths it in, and
> report back.
>
> I've just received the following email which gives an indication of public
> interest in this sort of thing:
>
> The Big Pathwatch has now closed! *Thank you so much* for joining us and
> being part of the first ever nationwide footpath survey. Together, we have
> surveyed an incredible *75,836 square km *across England and Wales,
> reporting more than *70,000 footpath problems *and *58,000 positive
> features*.
>
> *Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Redraft of objectives for OSMUK

2016-02-17 Thread Richard Symonds 
WMUK uses the following definition:
https://wikimedia.org.uk/wiki/Open_knowledge

"The definition of Open Content given in the Articles of Association says:

 "Content" means textual or numerical information, still or moving images,
sound or music or other data disseminated on printed, electronic and other
appropriate media and services. Content is subject to editorial policies
and safeguards designed to ensure its overall accuracy and quality.

Content is "Open" when it is available for no charge and without
discrimination to the general public, with legal rights to view, copy,
share, adapt, improve and otherwise use and reuse that content and when
technical measures are in place to support such usage."

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On 17 February 2016 at 22:05, Rob Nickerson <rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> >Hi everyone
> >
> >3rd draft following this week's concall
> >
> >
> >@Rob - this really needs to go in the wiki but I'm not really proficient at
> >wiki editing
> >
> >Regards
> >Brian
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Sorry for the delay. This is done now [1]. By the way the wiki is now a
> lot easier to edit as it has a new "WYSIWYG" type editor :-)
>
> My comments on the draft are:
>
>- To avoid confusion with OS OpenData we should change "OpenData" to
>either "open data" or, my preference, the more general "information".
>- As we cover UK and Islands then we shouldn't use just UK in the
>objectives. Suggest replacing "the UK" with "the Region" and defining this
>somewhere in our articles of association.
>
> We should push to adopt this at the next meeting. Do we have a date for
> that yet?
>
> Cheers,
> *Rob*
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Group
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

2016-02-12 Thread Richard Symonds 
yep, seems to be working now! I'll get cracking.

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On 12 February 2016 at 11:25, Tim Waters <chippy2...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Richard,
>
> Are you still having issues? That map appears to be okay now, last
> rectified 3 days ago and was able to rectify it just now. I've a
> screenshot here:
> http://imgur.com/bOjMnWq  http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261#Preview_tab
>
> Find me on IRC as chippy sometime if you are still encountering problems.
>
> regards,
>
> Tim
>
> On 9 February 2016 at 18:44, Richard Symonds
> <richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk> wrote:
> > Tim,
> >
> > A lot of these maps won't rectify, even though I've completed all the
> > control points. The one I've just come up with is
> > http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261 - can someone try and preview it, or
> tell
> > me what I'm doing wrong?
> >
> > Richard Symonds
> > Wikimedia UK
> > 0207 065 0992
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> > Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> > Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A
> 4LT.
> > United Kingdom. Wikimedia UK is the UK chapter of a global Wikimedia
> > movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> > operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
> >
> > Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over
> > Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.
> >
> >
> > On 9 February 2016 at 17:30, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I tinkered with the "Kilimanjaro to Tsavo Stn. U.R.. WOOS-8-3-1" map a
> >> fair bit. Started by using recognisable locations (features on lakes,
> etc.)
> >> but eventually settled on tagging the grid lines and using online
> conversion
> >> tools to give me the WGS-84. The ones with hills in look great in Google
> >> Earth, e.g. http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629.kml Difficult to get
> the map
> >> spot on.
> >>
> >> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 at 16:28 Tim Waters <chippy2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
> >>> 581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
> >>> (layer)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa
> >>>
> >>> The mosaic:
> >>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4
> >>>
> >>> The Tiles link is
> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
> >>> and the WMS details can be found at
> >>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab
> >>>
> >>> and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints
> too
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Tim
> >>>
> >>> p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
> >>> period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
> >>> and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
> >>> that case!
> >>>
> >>> p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
> >>> thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
> >>> in the warper.
> >>>
> >>> On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab
> includes a
> >>> > WMS
> >>> > link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
> >>> >
> >>> > I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with
> an
> >>> > https whitelist.
> >>> >
> >>> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34

Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

2016-02-09 Thread Richard Symonds 
Tim,

A lot of these maps won't rectify, even though I've completed all the
control points. The one I've just come up with is
http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/261 - can someone try and preview it, or
tell me what I'm doing wrong?

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On 9 February 2016 at 17:30, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I tinkered with the "Kilimanjaro to Tsavo Stn. U.R.. WOOS-8-3-1" map a
> fair bit. Started by using recognisable locations (features on lakes, etc.)
> but eventually settled on tagging the grid lines and using online
> conversion tools to give me the WGS-84. The ones with hills in look great
> in Google Earth, e.g. http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629.kml Difficult to
> get the map spot on.
>
> On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 at 16:28 Tim Waters <chippy2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> so after a fix was applied to the Wikimaps Warper the collection of
>> 581 maps from Wikimedia Commons was re-imported and added to a mosaic
>> (layer)
>>
>>
>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War%20Office%20Archive%20%E2%80%93%20British%20East%20Africa
>>
>> The mosaic:
>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4
>>
>> The Tiles link is http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/tile/4/{z}/{x}/{y}.png
>> and the WMS details can be found at
>> http://warper.wmflabs.org/layers/4#Export_tab
>>
>> and of course individual maps have their own WMS and Tiles endpoints too
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> p.s. Note that loading up a map for the first might take a once only
>> period of a couple of minutes as the map gets requested from commons
>> and is loaded up in the warper ... you should see a progress bar in
>> that case!
>>
>> p.p.s. There's an issue with the warper not getting the correct
>> thumbnail for some of the maps, but it shouldn't affect how it works
>> in the warper.
>>
>> On 2 February 2016 at 13:58, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > The export tab http://warper.wmflabs.org/maps/629#Export_tab includes
>> a WMS
>> > link "for JOSM OpenStreetMap Editor"
>> >
>> > I haven't tried it yet as my company have firewalled the office with an
>> > https whitelist.
>> >
>> > On Mon, 1 Feb 2016 at 17:34 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 1 February 2016 at 13:02, Tim Waters <chippy2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Great stuff. I think a few hundred maps (if not all) from this
>> >> > collection
>> >> > are already in the wikimaps warper.
>> >> > However there was an issue with making a mosaic (stitched layer) for
>> the
>> >> > category, so this will be fixed soon.
>> >>
>> >> Once that's done, how can people see the layer in JOSM?
>> >>
>> >> > I think the British Library also has control points for the maps
>> which
>> >> > could
>> >> > be added to the warper when ready (I'd have to double check on this
>> >> > point
>> >> > though).
>> >>
>> >> My contact tells me they (BL & Indigo Trust) want to see the maps
>> >> reused; if there's a speciific request, I can forward it to them.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andy Mabbett
>> >> @pigsonthewing
>> >> http://pigsonthewing.org.uk
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK war office maps of Africa digitised

2016-01-30 Thread Richard Symonds 
Jez,

These are all OGL licenced and on Wikimedia Commons:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:War_Office_Archive_%E2%80%93_British_East_Africa

They were uploaded by Nora McGregor, Digital Curator, British Library (
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Ndalyrose) so are fine to use, I
believe.

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On 30 January 2016 at 13:36, Jez Nicholson <jez.nichol...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Your knowledge of copyright is probably better than mine, but unless the
> British Library renounce their ownership of the scans or UK law changes
> (which is possible) I would say none. :(
> On Fri, 29 Jan 2016 at 23:50, Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> What's the potential to get these crown-copyright-expired maps as an OSM
>> layer, for tracing?
>>
>> http://www.bl.uk/collection-guides/war-office-archive
>>
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[Talk-GB] Fwd: [Wikimediauk-l] UK IPO updates advice on copyright in digitised public domain works

2015-12-15 Thread Richard Symonds 
Forwarding from another list.  This may have an impact when using digitized
copies of public domain maps.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Michael Maggs" 
Date: 15 Dec 2015 13:20
Subject: [Wikimediauk-l] UK IPO updates advice on copyright in digitised
public domain works
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Cc:

There are at long last indications that UK copyright law is moving in the
direction of the WMF and Commons policy [1] that "faithful copies of public
domain works are themselves in the public domain" - in other words that
faithful photographic reproductions of old, out of copyright artworks such
as paintings do not create an enforceable new copyright for the
photographer. The UK Intellectual Property Office has recently updated its
copyright advice notice [2] to include the following:

Are digitised copies of older images protected by copyright?

''Simply creating a copy of an image won’t result in a new copyright in the
new item. However, there is a degree of uncertainty regarding whether
copyright can exist in digitised copies of older images for which copyright
has expired. Some people argue that a new copyright may arise in such
copies if specialist skills have been used to optimise detail, and/or the
original image has been touched up to remove blemishes, stains or creases.''

''However, according to the Court of Justice of the European Union which
has effect in UK law, copyright can only subsist in subject matter that is
original in the sense that it is the author’s own ‘intellectual creation’.
Given this criteria, it seems unlikely that what is merely a retouched,
digitised image of an older work can be considered as ‘original’. This is
because there will generally be minimal scope for a creator to exercise
free and creative choices if their aim is simply to make a faithful
reproduction of an existing work.''

This official advice from a UK Government agency is useful as it recommends
a strikingly different approach from the one that has been taken over many
years by the UK courts, namely that a new copyright can very easily be
created merely by the 'skill and labour' involved in taking any sort of
photograph (the copyright practitioner's text, Copinger & Skone James, says
that "in terms of what is original for the purpose of determining whether
copyright subsists in a photograph, the requirement of originality is low
and may be satisfied by little more than the opportunistic pointing of the
camera and the pressing of the shutter button.")

Although the IPO advice is not binding on the UK courts, it will be of
useful persuasive value. It's interesting that the official view being
taken is that the European Court of Justice has effectively replaced the
very low bar of "Was sufficient skill and labour applied?" with the higher
one of "Is it the author’s own intellectual creation?''.  The 2009 CJEU
decision in Infopaq [3] is gaining traction.

Communia have published a blog post  [4] that is worth reading.


Michael Maggs

Chair, Wikimedia UK

[1]  https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:When_to_use_the_PD-Art_tag
[2]
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/481194/c-notice-201401.pdf
[3] http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/ALL/?uri=CELEX:62008CJ0005
[4] http://www.communia-association.org/2015/12/04/1761/



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Re: [Talk-GB] 'Romantic London' - reusing Horwood's 1790's map

2015-10-27 Thread Richard Symonds 
This is excellent - but didn't the NLS do something similar not long ago?

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On 27 October 2015 at 14:35, Dan S <danstowell+...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Very nice! The map sync really makes it interesting to explore. My
> house is off the side of the map, unfortunately, but where my
> university now stands was "Bencroft's Alms Houses" :)
>
> Thanks
> Dan
>
>
> 2015-10-27 13:30 GMT+00:00 Andy Mabbett <a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>:
> > I witnessed a fascinating presentation, this morning, on a project
> > which has digitised the first map of London at building level, and
> > overlays it with data from other sources:
> >
> >http://www.romanticlondon.org/
> >
> > The data sets are freely available, but the British Library claims
> > copyright over the map images - I'm sure some of you will have your
> > own views about this.
> >
> > I shall notify the project's creator, Dr Matthew Sangster, about this
> > post, and invite him to join this list. He would be a good speaker for
> > a future OSM conference.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

2015-09-14 Thread Richard Symonds 
I see your problem... could you tell me how exactly you define the
hierarchy at the moment? Is it ad-hoc, with various rules in different
areas etc?

Perhaps it would be better to, instead of having a hierarchy based on
definitions, instead having a hierarchy based on pure population size. If
this gives odd results, then perhaps you could have a "booster value" if
the town is used as a post town or a seat of local government (for example).

I worry that trying to define terms like "village" or "town" is doomed to
failure, because very few will agree on what it means, no matter how much
we try ;-)


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On 14 September 2015 at 15:08, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/09/15 14:23, Richard Symonds wrote:
> > Is there any reason that a place can't be both?
> > eg.
> > "defines self as=town"
> > "defines self as=village"
> > "defined by X as village"
> >
> > Or the like?
>
> The obvious answer is that unless one adds some sort of filter it will
> get counted twice? Once as a town and once as a village. There should
> only be one place entry in OSM or so the
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place?uselang=en-GB says. I'm not
> sure but adding a second place tag should not work I think. Place is
> part of the hierarchy of a location on OSM, so having it appear as both
> a town and village would be confusing on searches.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

2015-09-14 Thread Richard Symonds 
Is there any reason that a place can't be both?
eg.
"defines self as=town"
"defines self as=village"
"defined by X as village"

Or the like?

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On 14 September 2015 at 14:20, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:

> On 14/09/15 13:02, SK53 wrote:
> > On the other hand finding a way to access population figures to places
> > for data consumers is useful. Directly adding population values may work
> > in Britain where population change is relatively slow, so slowly
> > outdated data is still useful, but is risky in other parts of the world.
> > At the very lease also add a link to wikipedia/wikidata as well, which
> > ultimately should obviate having to maintain population values
>
> That is precisely where I started ;)
> Or rather adding the wikipedia link ...
>
> The problem is that even coverage in wikipedia is far from complete so
> one finds erratic quality of information. Additionally wikidata is still
> at an early stage and does not have the bulk of the information already
> in wikipedia, so someone has to go through and change all the
> information blocks around or add missing ones where needed :(
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Re: [Talk-GB] Village, Hamlet and populations ...

2015-09-14 Thread Richard Symonds 
Well, the beauty is that you could use just those definitions instead:
"defined by PC as village"
"defined by census as town"
"defined by Local Government Act as parish"

etc etc. Wikidata is very good at keeping track of these, and then the
reader can simply select whose definition they want to use!

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On 14 September 2015 at 14:52, Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> wrote:

>
>
>
> No reason whatsoever but how do you determine what a place calls
> itself? What the Parish Council puts on the "village" sign -> according to
> the PC. What the population maps to according to some algorithm ->
> according to the author of the algorithm.
>
> On 2015-09-14 15:23, Richard Symonds wrote:
>
> Is there any reason that a place can't be both?
> eg.
> "defines self as=town"
> "defines self as=village"
> "defined by X as village"
>
> Or the like?
>
> Richard Symonds
> Wikimedia UK
> 0207 065 0992
>
> Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and
> Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Charity No.1144513. Registered
> Office 4th Floor, Development House, 56-64 Leonard Street, London EC2A 4LT.
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> movement. The Wikimedia projects are run by the Wikimedia Foundation (who
> operate Wikipedia, amongst other projects).
>
> *Wikimedia UK is an independent non-profit charity with no legal control
> over Wikipedia nor responsibility for its contents.*
>
> On 14 September 2015 at 14:20, Lester Caine <les...@lsces.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 14/09/15 13:02, SK53 wrote:
>> > On the other hand finding a way to access population figures to places
>> > for data consumers is useful. Directly adding population values may work
>> > in Britain where population change is relatively slow, so slowly
>> > outdated data is still useful, but is risky in other parts of the world.
>> > At the very lease also add a link to wikipedia/wikidata as well, which
>> > ultimately should obviate having to maintain population values
>>
>> That is precisely where I started ;)
>> Or rather adding the wikipedia link ...
>>
>> The problem is that even coverage in wikipedia is far from complete so
>> one finds erratic quality of information. Additionally wikidata is still
>> at an early stage and does not have the bulk of the information already
>> in wikipedia, so someone has to go through and change all the
>> information blocks around or add missing ones where needed :(
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Openstreetmap Foundation Charity Number

2015-08-18 Thread Richard Symonds 
I have already offered privately ;-)

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On 18 August 2015 at 16:00, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 18 August 2015 at 14:16, Grant Slater openstreet...@firefishy.com
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  If anyone has experience setting up and running a UK charity, the OSMF
  board would be interested in having a chat.

 WikimediaUK have experience, I can put you in touch with some folk who
 were trustees at the time, off-list, if you would like.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Cities: Skylines - Openstreetmap data

2015-05-26 Thread Richard Symonds 
I haven't, but I may well do tonight!

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On 23 May 2015 at 08:55, Bob Kerr openstreetmapcraigmil...@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:

 Has anyone played with this, It seems to be getting good press

 https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=416064574

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[Talk-GB] Fwd: [cultural-partners] High Quality map released

2015-05-12 Thread Richard Symonds 
FYI: A high-resolution map of Newport from 1845 has been uploaded by the
National Library of Wales. It's a bit out of date (170 years or so) but may
be of use to some mappers.


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Date: 12 May 2015 at 13:38
Subject: [cultural-partners] High Quality map released
To: cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch


Hi every one,

Just to let you all know, the National Library of Wales have taken another
big step towards open access by uploaded a very high res copy of a historic
tithe  map. The map shows the city of Newport in Wales - which was surveyed
around the time of the Chartist uprisings (Newport uprising)

We have uploaded the map as a whole at a reasonable resolution here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Newport_Tithe_Map.png

and also in High Quality sections here:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/St_Woolos,_Newport_Tithe_Map

I also plan add geo-referencing data (which already exists) to the map when
I have time.

Please let me know what you think!
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Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit from a bit of checking.

2014-11-12 Thread Richard Symonds 
Interestingly, the source given is the German phrase for surveyed in the
field...

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On 12 November 2014 10:52, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, I looked at the first user in the list and the first page of
 changesets loaded with one close to me which is a railway platform
 apparently in the middle of a housing estate.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24439915

 As it’s a U_Bahn entry I'm assuming its meant to be a platform on an
 underground line that’s just totally in the wrong geographical location.
 However the name of station 1 might suggest its someone practicing too.

 Reverting and will look for others in the west mids area.

 Cheers
 Andy

 -Original Message-
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 Sent: 12 November 2014 10:23
 To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Railway edits in the UK that could perhaps benefit
 from a bit of checking.

 More info on this - it seems to be a bunch of people working for this
 company:


 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/%C3%96V_Firma_Mentz_Datenverarbeitung_GmbH

 I've had no reply from the mapper that I tried to contact (although they
 have fixed at least one of the problems that they created) so I've tried
 again via direct message, comment on the firm's OSM wiki page and an OSM
 message to the company's main OSM account.

 What concerns me is that they're still editing (with various accounts).
 It's relatively easy to trace straight lines from Bing, but it needs
 experience and interpretation (and a local survey!) to see how everything
 on the ground relates to everything else.

 Based on their error rate so far I'd definitely still suggest that local
 mappers check their edits.

 Cheers,

 Andy


 On 08/11/2014 22:51, SomeoneElse wrote:
  An anonymous note adder (http://www.openstreetmap.org/note/267719) and
  someone on IRC noticed some problematical railway edits near
  Sutton-in-Ashfield:
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/311380489#map=15/53.1247/-1.2346laye
  rs=N
 
 
  It looks like an attempt to dual the Robin Hood line went a bit wrong
  and ended up slicing through an industrial estate and some areas of
  housing (though I'm sure it was cock-up rather than conspiracy as
  Sir Bernard Ingham would have said).  Looking at some other edits in
  the same changeset, there are some other, less obvious, issues too,
  which I've added to the changeset discussion:
 
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26590071
 
  The most obvious problem seems to be tracing the railway in but not
  joining properly to other features (such as crossings).  Some
  information (e.g. cutting=yes) has also been lost.
 
  Another local changeset:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26587435
  has some similar issues.
 
  There have been a number of other edits, some with rather a lot of
  deletions in them, including:
  http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/26613977
 
  All of these changesets could probably also benefit from a review from
  local mappers to identify potential issues.
 
  Cheers,
 
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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road

2014-08-04 Thread Richard Symonds 
More info at
http://www.bathnes.gov.uk/services/streets-and-highway-maintenance/roadworks/major-transport-schemes/a431-kelston-road-council
-

The Council has no details to confirm the toll road design meets safety
standards and no evidence that insurances are in place for any member of
the public who use the private toll road.

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On 4 August 2014 12:21, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 4 August 2014 12:11, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:
  Have the Bath  Bristol folks picked up on this one?
 
 
 http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Toll-road-field-gets-drivers-A431-closure/story
  -22064579-detail/story.html

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legality=none
insurance_validity=dubious


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Re: [Talk-GB] A431 toll road

2014-08-04 Thread Richard Symonds 
Temporary roads need planning permission - and although I'm not sure about
this, I imagine it would need public liability insurance etc too.

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On 4 August 2014 12:29, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:

  why should it be illegal?


 On 2014-08-04 13:21, Andy Mabbett wrote:

 On 4 August 2014 12:11, Andy Robinson ajrli...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have the Bath  Bristol folks picked up on this one?
 http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Toll-road-field-gets-drivers-A431-closure/story
 -22064579-detail/story.html

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Re: [Talk-GB] New mapper has imported all Nottingham street lights

2014-07-29 Thread Richard Symonds 
I know this may be a silly question, but why revert if it adds to the map?
It runs the risk of alienating a new contributor... I'm not au fait with
community rules and would appreciate someone teaching me why we do this
:-)

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On 29 July 2014 21:51, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote:

 Don't need to say much more, other than it's an undiscussed import and if
 we'd thought it would be useful could have done it anytime in the past 18
 months.

 Changeset is : https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24412110

 Will plan to revert in 1 days time if no further action by the mapper.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Newbie hello

2014-07-03 Thread Richard Symonds 
Marvellous Stuart! Glad to have you aboard.

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On 3 July 2014 16:02, Stuart Reynolds stu...@travelinesoutheast.org.uk
wrote:

  Hi all,



 Just joined the mailing list.



 I’ve been editing small bits of data here and there for a while, although
 I’m still a newbie at this. I work for traveline south east  anglia and,
 along with colleagues in some other traveline regions, we have just adopted
 OSM as our base mapping layer. I will undoubtedly be more active now as we
 look to add a number of bus lanes / bus gates where these aren’t already in
 the data, and I will no doubt be trespassing on your time asking a number
 of dumb newbie-type questions (in the newbie mailing list, naturally!)



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Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English

2014-06-16 Thread Richard Symonds 
An office poll of four people here gives the answer life belt, with a
fifth person saying life ring.

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On 16 June 2014 10:38, Barnett, Phillip phillip.barn...@itn.co.uk wrote:

   And http://www.scarborough.gov.uk/Default.aspx?page=7573 for a modern
 usage example.

Lifebelts | Scarborough Borough Council
  A local authority is required to provide and maintain lifebelts next to
 rivers and waterways in the area.
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 Historically it's always been lifebelt in England. See eg
 http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html

 http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/e-brown-survivors-photo.html
   Crewman E. Brown and two other Titanic survivors
  Survivors from the Titanic disaster arrive in Southampton. The centre
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 afloat f...
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 *Subject:* Re: [Talk-GB] Life Ring - British English

  en-gb is probably lifebuoy

  I've never heard it called a life ring - that's too vague a name. Most
 people would probably refer to it by starting to describe it - one of those
 red ring things that you can use to help someone who is drowning.


 On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Andreas Goss andi...@t-online.de
 wrote:

 I'm trying to clean up the emergency tags in the Wiki and found
 emergency=life_ring as well as some less used other tag combinations with
 amenity and buoy.

 Is life ring how it is commonly referred to in British English. Just
 wanted to make sure it's not literal translation from German and isn't used
 in the UK at all. Wikipedia lists a lot of different names. I guess
 lifebuoy is more American? And is it written life ring or lifering? Both
 correct?

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Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: In mainland Britain, you are never more than 34 miles from a pub.

2014-06-12 Thread Richard Symonds 
I think it depends on your definition of 'sea' - and probably the
definition of lighthouse too! There's a lighthouse in Tower Hamlets - as
well as some in the Scottish lochs.

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On 12 June 2014 11:12, Nick Whitelegg nick.whitel...@solent.ac.uk wrote:


 One thing that surprised me was 61 miles from a lighthouse as (and I
 don't know this) I'd have guessed that some of the central parts of England
 would be getting on for 100 miles from the sea.
 But my geography of that part of the world isn't great so I'm probably
 wrong...

 Nick

 -Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: -
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 Date: 11/06/2014 09:53PM
 Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Fwd: In mainland Britain, you are never more than
 34 miles from a pub.


 On 2014-06-08 16:28, Dan S wrote:
  Hi all,
 
  In mainland Britain, you are never more than 34 miles from a pub.
  http://mcld.co.uk/feet-from-a-rat/pub.html
 
  And luckily, in mainland Britain, you are never more than 30 miles
  from a public toilet.
  http://mcld.co.uk/feet-from-a-rat/public-toilet.html

 Several of the calculations seem to be including the Mull as part of
 mainland Britain, ie churches and golf courses. It is definitely an island.

 As for public toilets, must be a few missing from the map. I think
 there's toilets in Thurso and Bettyhill, though it has been a few years
 since I visited these.

 Craig

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Re: [Talk-GB] Duff data on facebook

2014-06-09 Thread Richard Symonds 
Hi Lester,

Facebook updates the places it has using crowdsourced information from
here: https://www.facebook.com/places/editor?ref=br_tf.

I'm afraid that's all I know...

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On 9 June 2014 08:48, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

 Having lived in Broadway - Worcestershire for many years now, it is
 getting somewhat irritating that Facebook will not allow me to tag this
 fact. They for some reason seem to think that Broadway is in
 Gloucestershire. Various attempts have been made to get things
 corrected, and pages have been created for 'Worcestershire', but even
 these are now being redirected to the 'correct' master according to
 Facebook. Can anybody throw ANY light on to why they insistthat their
 data is the correct view?

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Re: [Talk-GB] OSM session at Wikimania 2014

2014-06-02 Thread Richard Symonds 
Fantastic Andy. I'll be attending :-)

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On 2 June 2014 12:18, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 On 2 June 2014 12:11, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:
  I've had a session pitch accepted, to speak about OSM at Wikimania
  2014 (the annual Wikipedia/ Wikimedia conference; their equivalent of
  State of the map), held this year in London, in August.

 P.S. The talk will be on Saturday afternoon, 9 August, at 2.30pm


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Re: [Talk-GB] Wikimania London

2014-02-28 Thread Richard Symonds 
All,

Just to spam you some more about (sorry!):

Wikimania, Wikimedia's open knowledge conference, is moving on quickly, and
will be held at the Barbican with about 4,000 people attending. *I am
really keen to get some representation from the OSM community.* If anyone
is interested in presenting about OpenStreetMap, Wikimedia UK can probably
cover your costs - drop me an email! In theory presentation submissions can
go in until the 31st March, but the quicker they go in the more people are
likely to sign that they intend to attend them. So if you are planning to
make a submission I would suggest putting at least an outline in now so
that you give people the opportunity to signup to ones they might attend.
You would still have the whole of March to finalise your submission.

Submissions for Wikimania can be created from a link at the bottom of this
page https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Submissions. For those of
you who haven't been to Wikimania, think State of the Map, but a little
bigger and with more attendees from outside organisations. There'll also be
a good chance to get an OSM/Wikidata crossover going - something I'm really
keen on.

All the best,

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On 13 February 2014 13:23, Richard Symonds richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.uk
 wrote:

 All,

 Wikipedia's global conference is in London this year, in August - see
 http://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page. I wondered if anyone
 was considering going, or submitting a talk on behalf of OSM?

 It may seem like a Wikipedia-centric event, but this year there'll be a
 lot of people (c. 4,000) attending and it'd be great to get some input from
 the OSM community (of whom I consider myself a part!)

 All the best,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Possible vandalism? New Forth Road Bridge being changed to motorway from construction

2014-02-10 Thread Richard Symonds 
Perhaps a 'preview' button, like Wikipedia has, which generates a rendering
when clicked?

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On 10 February 2014 12:19, Richard Mann
richard.mann.westoxf...@gmail.comwrote:

 These users probably want a rendering. It's too easy to change the data,
 wait for it to render then grab the result.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Please don't edit Dawlish

2014-02-06 Thread Richard Symonds 
You're sure we can't just change the track to bridge=suspended,
suspensiontype=precariously?

;-)

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On 6 February 2014 09:57, Jonathan Bennett jonobenn...@gmail.com wrote:

 Based on the Somerset Levels thread, I've realised someone will probably
 try to edit the railway line, station and other bits of Dawlish based on
 the storm damage.

 Please don't.

 Apart from the temporary nature of the damage (Network Rail are predicting
 a few weeks to fix the line) there's no practical advantage to be gained
 from taking the damaged section of rail off the map. It's not like rail
 travellers will try to get a train along the line unless they see a gap in
 OSM.

 If the damage turns out to be longer term than we're expecting then we can
 have another conversation about how to map it, but until then it would seem
 premature to start removing features from the map.

 J.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Warwickshire County Council releases aerial imagery

2014-01-14 Thread Richard Symonds 
Hi Brian! This looks fantastic and will be really useful for Wikipedia too
(Aerial views of significant buildings etc). However, the link you've
provided obviously only works for mapping. Is there a regular HTML-based
'homepage' the describes the aerial imagery collection etc, that you know
of?

All the best,

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On 14 January 2014 10:43, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi everyone

 Warwickshire County Council have released 3 sets of aerial imagery under
 OGL.  You can find them here *http://wppgeog3/gs/Aerial_Photography/wms
 http://wppgeog3/gs/Aerial_Photography/wms* . JOSM users just add to
 your imagery layers under preferences. I don't know how to add it to
 Potlatch, not being a heavy user.

 The best set is from 2012/13 at 12.5cm resolution which is both more up to
 date and more accurate than Bing. Naturally the imagery does not stop at
 the boundary so some of you in neighbouring counties might find this useful
 - not sure how far the imagery stretches - I'm too busy remapping inside
 Warwickshire using the imagery!

 We should acknowledge the source when tagging - I suggest Warwicks CC
 aerial imagery OGL2

 Regards

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Re: [Talk-GB] Vanguard Way - Anyone from the Kent / Sussex border?

2013-10-29 Thread Richard Symonds 
Although, granted, it's probably recorded incorrectly...

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On 29 October 2013 23:27, Richard Symonds
richard.symo...@wikimedia.org.ukwrote:

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguard_Way: The *Vanguard Way* is a long
 distance walk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long-distance_trail of
 around 66 miles from East Croydonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Croydon 
 in
 outer London http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London to 
 Newhavenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newhaven,_East_Sussex on
 the south coast of England http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/England

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 On 29 October 2013 23:02, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 Just spotted this relation:

 http://www.openstreetmap.org/**browse/relation/86545http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/86545

 There do seem to be an awful lot of roads and footpaths called Vanguard
 Way or blah / Vanguard Way in that relation.  I'm guessing that perhaps
 on the ground they're not really called that...

 Cheers,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Hand-drawn OS maps on Wikimedia Commons

2013-09-26 Thread Richard Symonds 
I believe, as well, that these are the original drafter's drawings: not
later copies or prints.

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On 26 September 2013 11:42, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote:

 Over 100, hand-drawn OS maps have just been uploaded to Wikimedia Commons:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ordnance_Survey_Drawings

 These date from the 1810s and cover a variety of places in England and
 Wales.

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