Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Andy Townsend

On 14/12/2020 19:21, Edward Bainton wrote:


Glad I'm not going mad. Does it say anything useful or interesting 
that the "GPS trace" is a few metres away from the boundary as marked 
on the map? (Sorry if this has been answered recently: there was 
extensive discussion on alignment not long ago, but too technical for 
me to follow easily.)


That "county boundary GPS traces" has been there about 10 years or so at 
a guess?  According to OSM's GPS traces, my first mapping in Rutland was 
around 10 years ago and I think those boundaries were there then.  I 
can't see that it ever added any value; it just serves to confuse people 
like me trying to use GPS traces to help align other imagery.


I don't remember it being discussed recently, though it has cropped up 
before (maybe 8-10 years ago?).


Best Regards,

Andy


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Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Chris Hodges
Either a datum mix-up or different roundings used in the constants for 
the back-and-forth conversion.  Either way that's not a real trace


On 14/12/2020 19:33, Colin Smale wrote:


On 2020-12-14 20:21, Edward Bainton wrote:


With plenty of portages...
Glad I'm not going mad. Does it say anything useful or interesting 
that the "GPS trace" is a few metres away from the boundary as marked 
on the map? (Sorry if this has been answered recently: there was 
extensive discussion on alignment not long ago, but too technical for 
me to follow easily.)
If my suspicion is correct that a converted version of the OS 
Boundary-Line data was uploaded as GPX, then the small shift just 
indicates that the exact parameters used to convert from the OS 
coordinate system (Eastings and Northings) to the system used by GPS 
and OSM were different.


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Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-12-14 20:21, Edward Bainton wrote:

> With plenty of portages... 
> 
> Glad I'm not going mad. Does it say anything useful or interesting that the 
> "GPS trace" is a few metres away from the boundary as marked on the map? 
> (Sorry if this has been answered recently: there was extensive discussion on 
> alignment not long ago, but too technical for me to follow easily.)

If my suspicion is correct that a converted version of the OS
Boundary-Line data was uploaded as GPX, then the small shift just
indicates that the exact parameters used to convert from the OS
coordinate system (Eastings and Northings) to the system used by GPS and
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Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Edward Bainton
With plenty of portages...

Glad I'm not going mad. Does it say anything useful or interesting that the
"GPS trace" is a few metres away from the boundary as marked on the map?
(Sorry if this has been answered recently: there was extensive discussion
on alignment not long ago, but too technical for me to follow easily.)

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 at 18:50, Mark Goodge  wrote:

>
>
> On 14/12/2020 17:49, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > On 14/12/2020 17:27, Edward Bainton wrote:
> >> Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one
> >> that
> >> near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough
> >> (at
> >> Deeping St James)?
> >>
> >
> > Someone took their tracker with them when "Beating the Bounds"?
>
> In a canoe?
>
> Mark
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Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Mark Goodge



On 14/12/2020 17:49, Martin Wynne wrote:

On 14/12/2020 17:27, Edward Bainton wrote:
Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one 
that
near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough 
(at

Deeping St James)?



Someone took their tracker with them when "Beating the Bounds"?


In a canoe?

Mark

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Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Martin Wynne

On 14/12/2020 17:27, Edward Bainton wrote:

Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that
near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough (at
Deeping St James)?



Someone took their tracker with them when "Beating the Bounds"?

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beating_the_bounds

Martin.

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Re: [Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Colin Smale
I suspect someone has uploaded a GPX version of the boundary from OS
Boundary-Line. It doesn't look like an actual trace from a GPS receiver.


On 2020-12-14 18:27, Edward Bainton wrote:

> Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that 
> near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough (at 
> Deeping St James)? 
> 
> See https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6543/-0.2655=G 
> 
> It seems unlikey that it really is a GPS trace - or is it? 
> 
> Thanks. 
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[Talk-GB] "GPS trace" tracking county boundary

2020-12-14 Thread Edward Bainton
Any thoughts on why when I enable "public GPS traces" in iD, I get one that
near enough exactly tracks the LA boundary South Kesteven:Peterborough (at
Deeping St James)?

See https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/52.6543/-0.2655=G

It seems unlikey that it really is a GPS trace - or is it?

Thanks.
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