Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Andy Robinson]

I think it’s likely the only possible changes since New Street was built would 
be at the throats between the ends of the various tunnels and the start of each 
platform. There is little if any scope for change along the lengths of the 
platforms themselves because the supporting columns for the upper structure all 
pass through them. 

 

Cheers

Andy

 

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Sent: 25 September 2015 22:42
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

 

I can't remember ... has the track layout been changed yet? I know there were 
some plans to realign, but the core structure hasn't changed since first 
constructed?

Sent from my android device so quoting is crap ... need to kill these painful 
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Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

I recall tweaking the tracks some years ago to better fit imagery as they were 
definitely rough drawn before that but I expect with different imagery now and 
folks messing about over that couple of years of changing its all got a bit 
messy. Part of the problem is that a lot of the track radius is out of view. I 
expect by using the NR concourse plan as a starting point you would get a 
better alignment using the escalator locations.

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 25 September 2015 13:57
To: talk-gb-westmidlands; Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

 

Does anyone know whether the alignment of the platforms under the concourse is 
based on anything other than pure guesswork? The alignment at either end where 
they can be seen in Bing doesn't look right either. I'm trying to get the 
concourse layout to match the platforms for lifts and escalators and they're 
not quite matching currently.

regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[jonathan]

I went through the new station last week and used it various times during 
construction work and saw/can see no evidence to changes at platform level 
except cosmetics.





Jonathan

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From: Andy Robinson
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎28‎ ‎September‎ ‎2015 ‎10‎:‎46
To: Lester Caine, 'Brian Prangle', 'talk-gb-westmidlands', 
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I think it’s likely the only possible changes since New Street was built would 
be at the throats between the ends of the various tunnels and the start of each 
platform. There is little if any scope for change along the lengths of the 
platforms themselves because the supporting columns for the upper structure all 
pass through them. 

 

Cheers

Andy

 



From: les...@lsces.co.uk [mailto:les...@lsces.co.uk] 
Sent: 25 September 2015 22:42
To: 'Brian Prangle'; 'talk-gb-westmidlands'; 'Talk GB'; Andy Robinson
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

 


I can't remember ... has the track layout been changed yet? I know there were 
some plans to realign, but the core structure hasn't changed since first 
constructed?

Sent from my android device so quoting is crap ... need to kill these painful 
email clients!

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From: Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com>
To: 'Brian Prangle' <bpran...@gmail.com>, 'talk-gb-westmidlands' 
<talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org>, 'Talk GB' <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 21:12
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

I recall tweaking the tracks some years ago to better fit imagery as they were 
definitely rough drawn before that but I expect with different imagery now and 
folks messing about over that couple of years of changing its all got a bit 
messy. Part of the problem is that a lot of the track radius is out of view. I 
expect by using the NR concourse plan as a starting point you would get a 
better alignment using the escalator locations.

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 25 September 2015 13:57
To: talk-gb-westmidlands; Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

 




Does anyone know whether the alignment of the platforms under the concourse is 
based on anything other than pure guesswork? The alignment at either end where 
they can be seen in Bing doesn't look right either. I'm trying to get the 
concourse layout to match the platforms for lifts and escalators and they're 
not quite matching currently.

regards

Brian





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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Brian Prangle]

Thanks for all your unput. It seems Andy's suggestion is the best: to align
the platforms with the elevator/stairs/escalator positions in the concourse
plan. I'l use that approach once I'm sure the concourse is aligned as best
as I can get it. Re-aligning the platforms will take some time and will not
all be done in one session, so please be patient when the tracks/platforms
don't seem right during the transition.

regards

Brian

On 25 September 2015 at 23:38, Lester Caine  wrote:

> On 25/09/15 23:22, Lester Caine wrote:
> > On 25/09/15 22:48, Graham Jones wrote:
> >> I'm pretty sure there have been no changes to the tracks or major
> >> building structures at station platform level - I didn't see any
> >> evidence of heavy work like that on my travels anyway.
> >
> > http://maps.nls.uk/view/101584678
> > The later maps just have black boxes over the station area.
> > I know the turntable area was cleared to put the electrification gear
> > in, but the British Rail line books should clarify if there were other
> > changes. It looks like extra tracks have been added through the platform
> > area?
>
> Seems the NetworkRail websites are as reliable as the train service ;)
> http://www.networkrail.co.uk/searchresult.aspx?q=virtualarchive lists
> https://www.networkrail.co.uk/virtualarchive/new-street/?cd=7 which
> should have a history of the changes at track level but something is
> broken :(
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Matthijs Melissen]

On 25 September 2015 at 14:56, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Does anyone know whether the alignment of the platforms under the concourse
> is based on anything other than pure guesswork? The alignment at either end
> where they can be seen in Bing doesn't look right either. I'm trying to get
> the concourse layout to match the platforms for lifts and escalators and
> they're not quite matching currently.

I'm not sure about the platforms, but I do know that the track
alignment on the Wolverhampton side is not fully correct, and possibly
copied from Bing without a field survey. It would be nice if somebody
could fix this as well.

-- Matthijs

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[SK53]

I've certainly found that in most large shopping centres/malls etc.,
support elements are usually regularly spaced, and at least estimating what
this spacing is & using it to correlate with features observable from
outside can help refine positioning. Obviously platform lifts & escalators
fit this pattern too.

Jerry

On 25 September 2015 at 21:12, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> I recall tweaking the tracks some years ago to better fit imagery as they
> were definitely rough drawn before that but I expect with different imagery
> now and folks messing about over that couple of years of changing its all
> got a bit messy. Part of the problem is that a lot of the track radius is
> out of view. I expect by using the NR concourse plan as a starting point
> you would get a better alignment using the escalator locations.
>
>
>
> *From:* Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 25 September 2015 13:57
> *To:* talk-gb-westmidlands; Talk GB
> *Subject:* [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments
>
>
>
> Does anyone know whether the alignment of the platforms under the
> concourse is based on anything other than pure guesswork? The alignment at
> either end where they can be seen in Bing doesn't look right either. I'm
> trying to get the concourse layout to match the platforms for lifts and
> escalators and they're not quite matching currently.
>
> regards
>
> Brian
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[lester]

I can't remember ... has the track layout been changed yet? I know there were 
some plans to realign, but the core structure hasn't changed since first 
constructed?

Sent from my android device so quoting is crap ... need to kill these painful 
email clients!

-Original Message-
From: Andy Robinson <ajrli...@gmail.com>
To: 'Brian Prangle' <bpran...@gmail.com>, 'talk-gb-westmidlands' 
<talk-gb-westmidla...@openstreetmap.org>, 'Talk GB' <talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
Sent: Fri, 25 Sep 2015 21:12
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

I recall tweaking the tracks some years ago to better fit imagery as they were 
definitely rough drawn before that but I expect with different imagery now and 
folks messing about over that couple of years of changing its all got a bit 
messy. Part of the problem is that a lot of the track radius is out of view. I 
expect by using the NR concourse plan as a starting point you would get a 
better alignment using the escalator locations.

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 25 September 2015 13:57
To: talk-gb-westmidlands; Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

 

Does anyone know whether the alignment of the platforms under the concourse is 
based on anything other than pure guesswork? The alignment at either end where 
they can be seen in Bing doesn't look right either. I'm trying to get the 
concourse layout to match the platforms for lifts and escalators and they're 
not quite matching currently.

regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Graham Jones]

On 25 September 2015 at 22:41,  wrote:

> I can't remember ... has the track layout been changed yet? I know there
> were some plans to realign, but the core structure hasn't changed since
> first constructed?
>
I'm pretty sure there have been no changes to the tracks or major building
structures at station platform level - I didn't see any evidence of heavy
work like that on my travels anyway.

Graham.
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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Andy Robinson]

I recall tweaking the tracks some years ago to better fit imagery as they were 
definitely rough drawn before that but I expect with different imagery now and 
folks messing about over that couple of years of changing its all got a bit 
messy. Part of the problem is that a lot of the track radius is out of view. I 
expect by using the NR concourse plan as a starting point you would get a 
better alignment using the escalator locations.

 

From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 25 September 2015 13:57
To: talk-gb-westmidlands; Talk GB
Subject: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

 

Does anyone know whether the alignment of the platforms under the concourse is 
based on anything other than pure guesswork? The alignment at either end where 
they can be seen in Bing doesn't look right either. I'm trying to get the 
concourse layout to match the platforms for lifts and escalators and they're 
not quite matching currently.

regards

Brian

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Lester Caine]

On 25/09/15 22:48, Graham Jones wrote:
> I'm pretty sure there have been no changes to the tracks or major
> building structures at station platform level - I didn't see any
> evidence of heavy work like that on my travels anyway.

http://maps.nls.uk/view/101584678
The later maps just have black boxes over the station area.
I know the turntable area was cleared to put the electrification gear
in, but the British Rail line books should clarify if there were other
changes. It looks like extra tracks have been added through the platform
area?

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Re: [Talk-GB] [Talk-gb-westmidlands] New St station platform alignments

[Lester Caine]

On 25/09/15 23:22, Lester Caine wrote:
> On 25/09/15 22:48, Graham Jones wrote:
>> I'm pretty sure there have been no changes to the tracks or major
>> building structures at station platform level - I didn't see any
>> evidence of heavy work like that on my travels anyway.
> 
> http://maps.nls.uk/view/101584678
> The later maps just have black boxes over the station area.
> I know the turntable area was cleared to put the electrification gear
> in, but the British Rail line books should clarify if there were other
> changes. It looks like extra tracks have been added through the platform
> area?

Seems the NetworkRail websites are as reliable as the train service ;)
http://www.networkrail.co.uk/searchresult.aspx?q=virtualarchive lists
https://www.networkrail.co.uk/virtualarchive/new-street/?cd=7 which
should have a history of the changes at track level but something is
broken :(

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