Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 18:14, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: Making this sort of distinction (what can have a postcode) is incredibly difficult - for instance NCP carparks do have a postcode. Shame about that, but if someone does a full postcode search and there are OSM objects tagged with that exact postcode then wouldn't it be better just to return those objects or at least have them at the top of the list? In my case there are 3 buildings tagged with the full postcode but when I search for it they appear below an entry for the suburb of the town which I think if shown at all should be further down the list. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Or a finer grained OSM Inspector service which breaks out the address components into separate layers. In the meantime, I'll probably set it up with rules in maperative. Cheers Andy From: Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] Sent: 31 October 2012 19:44 To: Chris Hill; Talk GB Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data On another track it would be good if ITOworld could add to their buildings section a postcode map showing red = no postcode, yellow=first section only e.g B27, and green= complete postcode e.g B27 7XP. This would help in identifying where to add postcodes Regards Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Kevin Peat wrote: Making this sort of distinction (what can have a postcode) is incredibly difficult - for instance NCP carparks do have a postcode. Shame about that, but if someone does a full postcode search and there are OSM objects tagged with that exact postcode then wouldn't it be better just to return those objects or at least have them at the top of the list? In my case there are 3 buildings tagged with the full postcode but when I search for it they appear below an entry for the suburb of the town which I think if shown at all should be further down the list. That is a sensible suggestion ... There ARE objects that could be left out of the search, but actually car parks are not one of them if one uses that to direct clients where to park via sat nav. I'd make a case for leaving out post boxes IF there is a result with a full post code, and perhaps this is the problem? Until there are actual targets, anything in the general area can be useful. SO listing 'exact match' then any possible secondary hits is a good starting point? -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
We are back on for postcode interpretation and addition to buildings again. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 30 October 2012 19:25 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode- directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5863 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Can we get this data into Nominatim? Steve On 31/10/2012 11:07, Andy Robinson wrote: We are back on for postcode interpretation and addition to buildings again. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Chris Hill [mailto:o...@raggedred.net] Sent: 30 October 2012 19:25 To: Talk GB Subject: [Talk-GB] Office of National Statistics data The UK Office for National Statistics has released some data [1] under the Open Government licence [2] . I've extracted the postcode data from it and created a tile overlay which can help find a postcode for a building in GB, excluding Northern Ireland. More info is at http://onspd.raggedred.net including using the tiles layers in Potlatch 2 JOSM. [1] http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/geography/products/postcode- directories/-nspp-/index.html [2] http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/ -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5863 - Release Date: 10/30/12 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? -- Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. -- Steve ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 11:58, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. The search box on www.osm.org uses nominatim.osm.org which as far as I know is running Nominatim 2 and includes Codepoint Open as a data source. Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Tom Hughes wrote: Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. The search box on www.osm.org uses nominatim.osm.org which as far as I know is running Nominatim 2 and includes Codepoint Open as a data source. What gets a little confusing is that the results will only contain the full postcode if it's been added to an address, otherwise you may get results from several postcodes in highly populated areas. Once the data is transferred to addresses, only those addresses appear. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 12:25, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:58, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:54, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:51, Steve Doerr wrote: On 31/10/2012 11:44, Tom Hughes wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Is that in there? I believe it is in Nominatim 2 yes. Is that different to what's used on www.openstreetmap.org for the Search box? That's where I want to see accurate postcode searching. The search box on www.osm.org uses nominatim.osm.org which as far as I know is running Nominatim 2 and includes Codepoint Open as a data source. Tom I've just tried searching osm.org for S42 7DT and the first answer is a street that is actually S42 7DY according to Chris's site. Is it perhaps just using the first S42 7## part? It does a search using the royal mail postcode but then returns only data found in OSM. It seems we might have lost the 'order by distance to the postcode' when I added the wikipedia importance code so it is now returning the 10 nearest roads in an arbitrary order. I'll try and get that fixed. I've always been concerned about merging the postcode data into the OSM output and lower lever indexing because of the uncertainty around the '© Royal Mail' part of the license. If this data is now being imported into OSM I assume I should now stop worrying about this? Or would people prefer that nominatim continues to only output true OSM data rather than a hybrid? -- Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open On Oct 31, 2012 11:45 AM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote: On 31/10/12 11:39, Steve Doerr wrote: Can we get this data into Nominatim? Why? What would it give us over the CodePoint Open data? Tom -- Tom Hughes (t...@compton.nu) http://compton.nu/ __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that post code that happen to be nearby, and also weird objects like trees and car club parking bays. +1 on that. When I search for my own postcode, as well as the buildings actually tagged with it the pub car park next door is also returned and a nearby unclassified road neither of which have a postcode set. I think in a postcode search it would be better not to return things that could never have a postcode. Kevin ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31 October 2012 16:59, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that post code that happen to be nearby, and also weird objects like trees and car club parking bays. +1 on that. When I search for my own postcode, as well as the buildings actually tagged with it the pub car park next door is also returned and a nearby unclassified road neither of which have a postcode set. I think in a postcode search it would be better not to return things that could never have a postcode. Making this sort of distinction (what can have a postcode) is incredibly difficult - for instance NCP carparks do have a postcode. -- Brian ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On Oct 31, 2012 6:14 PM, Brian Quinion openstreet...@brian.quinion.co.uk wrote: On 31 October 2012 16:59, Kevin Peat k...@k3v.eu wrote: On 31 October 2012 14:50, Tom Chance t...@acrewoods.net wrote: I think this is quite a confusing approach. Post code searches often end up returning the wrong street that is also near the centroid, houses that don't belong to that post code that happen to be nearby, and also weird objects like trees and car club parking bays. +1 on that. When I search for my own postcode, as well as the buildings actually tagged with it the pub car park next door is also returned and a nearby unclassified road neither of which have a postcode set. I think in a postcode search it would be better not to return things that could never have a postcode. Making this sort of distinction (what can have a postcode) is incredibly difficult - for instance NCP carparks do have a postcode. The easiest solution is to let mappers explicitly tag postcodes, and not infer they are associated with objects based on proximity to a centroid. Tom ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. The BT codes for Northern Ireland aren't under an unmodified OpenGovernmentLicence (look at the ONS website for details) - they're non-free for commercial use. We should remove those from OSM. Richard ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On 31/10/12 18:37, Richard Bullock wrote: On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. The BT codes for Northern Ireland aren't under an unmodified OpenGovernmentLicence (look at the ONS website for details) - they're non-free for commercial use. We should remove those from OSM. Sadly, I just noticed that too. I'll remove the data from my tiles. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] FW: Office of National Statistics data
On another track it would be good if ITOworld could add to their buildings section a postcode map showing red = no postcode, yellow=first section only e.g B27, and green= complete postcode e.g B27 7XP. This would help in identifying where to add postcodes Regards Brian On 31 October 2012 18:55, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: On 31/10/12 18:37, Richard Bullock wrote: On 31/10/12 13:58, Kev js1982 wrote: Does this set include BT (northern Ireland) , postcodes like nspd open did? If so that is one way it's better than code point open I have just finished processing the BT codes, so Northern Irish post codes are now available too. I haven't been able to cross check them so any comments would be helpful. The BT codes for Northern Ireland aren't under an unmodified OpenGovernmentLicence (look at the ONS website for details) - they're non-free for commercial use. We should remove those from OSM. Sadly, I just noticed that too. I'll remove the data from my tiles. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly __**_ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk-gbhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
