Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Townsend]

On 07/12/2016 17:50, Andy Robinson wrote:

Andy T,

As far as I can see the new 2b shapefiles now uploaded to OSM are the "confirmed" and 
"consulting" route sections as shown on page 8 of: 
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/568502/D1_Route_refinement_consultation_document_FINAL.PDF


Thanks - interesting that they've made much more use of previous 
abandoned railway alignments (e.g. for access to Staveley yard) and it 
also seems to include a number of "nudges" one way or the other (such as 
to miss Heath Old Church).


Cheers,

Andy T


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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Robinson]

Andy T,

As far as I can see the new 2b shapefiles now uploaded to OSM are the 
"confirmed" and "consulting" route sections as shown on page 8 of: 
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/568502/D1_Route_refinement_consultation_document_FINAL.PDF

Obviously the biggest question is still Sheffield.

Cheers
Andy R

-Original Message-
From: Andy Townsend [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 06 December 2016 22:16
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
> As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather 
> buried under an obscure filename.
>
> I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester & 
> Leeds)

Which routes do the 2b updates have for north and south of Sheffield?  
North of Sheffield I suspect things are fairly nailed down; south of Sheffield 
not so much - there's a broad-brush recommendation in 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-phase-2b-summary-of-route-refinements
, but I've not seen detailed plans of that yet and the "consultation" is open 
until next year (though the previous "options report" 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-sheffield-and-south-yorkshire-report-2016
gave a pretty clear steer towards one option - but again, no detailed route 
plan yet).

In answer to Dave and Dan - I'd be the first person to say "don't map stuff 
that doesn't exist yet and may not exist", but in the case of a lot of the HS2 
route it is (a) very likely to happen and (b) quite clear where it will happen. 
 However where plans have been overtaken by politics and where (a) and (b) are 
not necessarily the case I don't think it does make sense to have it in OSM.

Cheers,

Andy (a different one)


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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Robinson]

HS2 changes made. The routes now sit under 4 relations as follows:

1986960 - HS2 Phase 1 - London to West Midlands (No changes - Route as per 
Hybrid Bill)
6748946 - HS2 Phase 2a - West Midlands to Crewe (Jan 2016 preferred route)
6775224 - HS2 Phase 2b - Crewe to Manchester (Nov 2016 preferred route)
6775258 - HS2 Phase 2b - West Midlands to Leeds (Nov 2016 preferred route)

The following original relations (and their members) have been deleted:
4124774 - Manchester spur
4124756 - Leeds spur
4125262 - Depots. (New depot area shape files are not available as far as I can 
see and the old data is no longer correct)

Any queries please get in touch.

Cheers
Andy


-Original Message-
From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 December 2016 12:30
To: 'Andy Townsend'; 'Paul Berry'
Cc: 'Talk GB'
Subject: RE: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

I've got the Nov 16 shape files for 2b but haven’t looked at them yet. I would 
expect them to be the same alignments as shown on the Nov 16 plans. What they 
didn’t release (at least not separately) are the station and maintenance yard 
land take polygons.

Should get to taking a look before the weekend.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Townsend [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com]
Sent: 07 December 2016 10:45
To: Paul Berry
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

On 07/12/2016 10:36, Paul Berry wrote:
> ... but I believe you're referring to: 
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-plan-and-profile-maps-w
> oodall-to-conisbrough
>
>

North of there actually, up through Mexborough.

> If you know previous route mapping has changed in areas, and remains 
> as certain as can be for something not on the ground, then map away.

The bit I'd be missing is the route plan (beyond a schematic) - that's why I 
asked Andy (the original Andy*) what the latest 2b route plans covered.

Cheers,

Andy

* confusing, but could be worse, it was talking about wikidata and OSM Carto 
rendering as well :)


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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Robinson]

I've got the Nov 16 shape files for 2b but haven’t looked at them yet. I would 
expect them to be the same alignments as shown on the Nov 16 plans. What they 
didn’t release (at least not separately) are the station and maintenance yard 
land take polygons.

Should get to taking a look before the weekend.

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Townsend [mailto:ajt1...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 07 December 2016 10:45
To: Paul Berry
Cc: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

On 07/12/2016 10:36, Paul Berry wrote:
> ... but I believe you're referring to: 
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-plan-and-profile-maps-w
> oodall-to-conisbrough
>
>

North of there actually, up through Mexborough.

> If you know previous route mapping has changed in areas, and remains 
> as certain as can be for something not on the ground, then map away.

The bit I'd be missing is the route plan (beyond a schematic) - that's why I 
asked Andy (the original Andy*) what the latest 2b route plans covered.

Cheers,

Andy

* confusing, but could be worse, it was talking about wikidata and OSM Carto 
rendering as well :)


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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Townsend]

On 07/12/2016 10:36, Paul Berry wrote:
... but I believe you're referring to: 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-plan-and-profile-maps-woodall-to-conisbrough 





North of there actually, up through Mexborough.

If you know previous route mapping has changed in areas, and remains 
as certain as can be for something not on the ground, then map away.


The bit I'd be missing is the route plan (beyond a schematic) - that's 
why I asked Andy (the original Andy*) what the latest 2b route plans 
covered.


Cheers,

Andy

* confusing, but could be worse, it was talking about wikidata and OSM 
Carto rendering as well :)



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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Paul Berry]

I'm not sufficiently up on (read: have not had time to study) what is
firmly planned and what is still under consideration, to be honest, but I
believe you're referring to:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-plan-and-profile-maps-woodall-to-conisbrough

If you know previous route mapping has changed in areas, and remains as
certain as can be for something not on the ground, then map away.

Regards,
*Paul*

On 7 December 2016 at 10:27, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 07/12/2016 08:25, Paul Berry wrote:
>
>> I We don't know if it's going to take a city centre route or spur from
>> the Don Valley route yet so unless things change the current relation still
>> stands: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4124756
>>
>
> I thought that, at least here:
>
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4124756#map=11/53.4723/-1.3166
>
> a decision had been made to move east, so that relation is one that does
> need changing, because what's in OSM is no longer the planned route?
> Whether the best thing (until final approval post acts of parliament) is to
> have nothing in OSM and have the data externally somewhere or to have it as
> e.g. "state=proposed" in OSM I could be persuaded either way, but we
> shouldn't have something in OSM that we know to be wrong, as we have at the
> moment.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Townsend]

On 07/12/2016 08:25, Paul Berry wrote:
I We don't know if it's going to take a city centre route or spur from 
the Don Valley route yet so unless things change the current relation 
still stands: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4124756


I thought that, at least here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4124756#map=11/53.4723/-1.3166

a decision had been made to move east, so that relation is one that does 
need changing, because what's in OSM is no longer the planned route?  
Whether the best thing (until final approval post acts of parliament) is 
to have nothing in OSM and have the data externally somewhere or to have 
it as e.g. "state=proposed" in OSM I could be persuaded either way, but 
we shouldn't have something in OSM that we know to be wrong, as we have 
at the moment.


Cheers,

Andy





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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Paul Berry]

I would say don't plot it if the route's not at all certain. You might even
meet mapping vandalism if you laid down routes in Sheffield: it's an
extremely touchy subject there. We don't know if it's going to take a city
centre route or spur from the Don Valley route yet so unless things change
the current relation still stands:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4124756

Regards,
*Paul*

On 6 December 2016 at 22:15, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
>
>> As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather buried
>> under an obscure filename.
>>
>> I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester &
>> Leeds)
>>
>
> Which routes do the 2b updates have for north and south of Sheffield?
> North of Sheffield I suspect things are fairly nailed down; south of
> Sheffield not so much - there's a broad-brush recommendation in
> https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-phase-2b-summ
> ary-of-route-refinements , but I've not seen detailed plans of that yet
> and the "consultation" is open until next year (though the previous
> "options report" https://www.gov.uk/government/
> publications/hs2-sheffield-and-south-yorkshire-report-2016 gave a pretty
> clear steer towards one option - but again, no detailed route plan yet).
>
> In answer to Dave and Dan - I'd be the first person to say "don't map
> stuff that doesn't exist yet and may not exist", but in the case of a lot
> of the HS2 route it is (a) very likely to happen and (b) quite clear where
> it will happen.  However where plans have been overtaken by politics and
> where (a) and (b) are not necessarily the case I don't think it does make
> sense to have it in OSM.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy (a different one)
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Townsend]

On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:

As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather buried
under an obscure filename.

I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester & Leeds)


Which routes do the 2b updates have for north and south of Sheffield?  
North of Sheffield I suspect things are fairly nailed down; south of 
Sheffield not so much - there's a broad-brush recommendation in 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-phase-2b-summary-of-route-refinements 
, but I've not seen detailed plans of that yet and the "consultation" is 
open until next year (though the previous "options report" 
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/hs2-sheffield-and-south-yorkshire-report-2016 
gave a pretty clear steer towards one option - but again, no detailed 
route plan yet).


In answer to Dave and Dan - I'd be the first person to say "don't map 
stuff that doesn't exist yet and may not exist", but in the case of a 
lot of the HS2 route it is (a) very likely to happen and (b) quite clear 
where it will happen.  However where plans have been overtaken by 
politics and where (a) and (b) are not necessarily the case I don't 
think it does make sense to have it in OSM.


Cheers,

Andy (a different one)


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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Jez Nicholson]

Ha! That must be the ultimate in derived data Jerry :D

On Wed, 30 Nov 2016 at 11:00 SK53  wrote:

> Not sure HS2 N of Brum is 'pie-in-the-sky', a friend has already received
> a substantial sum for his house, a canal-side property near Fradley
> Junction, because it is on the planned route.
>
> At the very least the route corridor can be ascertained by "Stop HS2"
> posters, and probably by examining land registry prices!
>
> Jerry
>
> On 29 November 2016 at 21:48, Dave F  wrote:
>
> I thought it was agreed we weren't mapping pie-in-the-sky proposals.
> Primarily because the creator fails to remove them when political will
> wanes.
>
> Perfect for a Leaflet overlay, though.
>
> DaveF
>
> On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
>
> As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather buried
> under an obscure filename.
>
> I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester &
> Leeds)
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 29 November 2016 16:28
> To: talk-gb
> Subject: HS2 phase 2a preferred route
>
> Folks,
>
> I've just added the Jan 2016 preferred route alignment for HS2 phase 2a
> (West Midlands to Crewe) along with the associated tags, converted from the
> data.gov OGL shapefile to OSM format as per previous HS2 additions I've
> undertaken. All ways are also added into a single relation for ease of
> reference/selection.
>
> The upload sits in one changeset
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44037689
>
> The uploaded data basically duplicates the consultation alignment (with a
> very slight few meter offset) that was uploaded as the Phase 2 consultation
> alignment in 2014. Once the OGL shapefiles are available for the now
> preferred phase 2b (Crewe to Manchester & West Midlands to Leeds) I would
> propose to remove the original Phase 2 2014 data from OSM so that the data
> properly reflects Governments now preferred routes and the proper
> distinction between the three main phases of the proposed HS2 (Phase 1,
> Phase 2a & Phase 2b -West and East). This will also eliminate the apparent
> current data duplication over the Phase 2a portion between the West
> Midlands
> and Crewe.
>
> The only data that appears to be missing in the Jan 2016 Phase 2a shapefile
> is the proposed HS2 linespeed. I could copy the linespeed data from the
> Phase 2 consultation version though I do not know if it would be entirely
> correct. For now I'll ignore as it can always be added from a suitable
> source later.
>
> Any comments please add them in the changeset comments.
>
> In other rail related updates I made new road layout final changes at
> Norton
> Bridge WCML upgrades near Eccleshall at the weekend. All works are now
> complete there.
> Also for those near Peterborough the new rail diveunder at Werrington has
> just stared detailed design with the contractor now on board for
> construction.
>
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[SK53]

Not sure HS2 N of Brum is 'pie-in-the-sky', a friend has already received a
substantial sum for his house, a canal-side property near Fradley Junction,
because it is on the planned route.

At the very least the route corridor can be ascertained by "Stop HS2"
posters, and probably by examining land registry prices!

Jerry

On 29 November 2016 at 21:48, Dave F  wrote:

> I thought it was agreed we weren't mapping pie-in-the-sky proposals.
> Primarily because the creator fails to remove them when political will
> wanes.
>
> Perfect for a Leaflet overlay, though.
>
> DaveF
>
> On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
>
>> As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather buried
>> under an obscure filename.
>>
>> I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester &
>> Leeds)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 29 November 2016 16:28
>> To: talk-gb
>> Subject: HS2 phase 2a preferred route
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I've just added the Jan 2016 preferred route alignment for HS2 phase 2a
>> (West Midlands to Crewe) along with the associated tags, converted from
>> the
>> data.gov OGL shapefile to OSM format as per previous HS2 additions I've
>> undertaken. All ways are also added into a single relation for ease of
>> reference/selection.
>>
>> The upload sits in one changeset
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44037689
>>
>> The uploaded data basically duplicates the consultation alignment (with a
>> very slight few meter offset) that was uploaded as the Phase 2
>> consultation
>> alignment in 2014. Once the OGL shapefiles are available for the now
>> preferred phase 2b (Crewe to Manchester & West Midlands to Leeds) I would
>> propose to remove the original Phase 2 2014 data from OSM so that the data
>> properly reflects Governments now preferred routes and the proper
>> distinction between the three main phases of the proposed HS2 (Phase 1,
>> Phase 2a & Phase 2b -West and East). This will also eliminate the apparent
>> current data duplication over the Phase 2a portion between the West
>> Midlands
>> and Crewe.
>>
>> The only data that appears to be missing in the Jan 2016 Phase 2a
>> shapefile
>> is the proposed HS2 linespeed. I could copy the linespeed data from the
>> Phase 2 consultation version though I do not know if it would be entirely
>> correct. For now I'll ignore as it can always be added from a suitable
>> source later.
>>
>> Any comments please add them in the changeset comments.
>>
>> In other rail related updates I made new road layout final changes at
>> Norton
>> Bridge WCML upgrades near Eccleshall at the weekend. All works are now
>> complete there.
>> Also for those near Peterborough the new rail diveunder at Werrington has
>> just stared detailed design with the contractor now on board for
>> construction.
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andy
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Robinson]

DaveF,

Any examples you wish to share of infrastructure/items not removed which were 
ultimately abandoned?

Cheers
Andy  

-Original Message-
From: Dave F [mailto:davefoxfa...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: 29 November 2016 21:48
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

I thought it was agreed we weren't mapping pie-in-the-sky proposals. 
Primarily because the creator fails to remove them when political will wanes.

Perfect for a Leaflet overlay, though.

DaveF

On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
> As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather 
> buried under an obscure filename.
>
> I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester & 
> Leeds)
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
> Sent: 29 November 2016 16:28
> To: talk-gb
> Subject: HS2 phase 2a preferred route
>
> Folks,
>
> I've just added the Jan 2016 preferred route alignment for HS2 phase 
> 2a (West Midlands to Crewe) along with the associated tags, converted 
> from the data.gov OGL shapefile to OSM format as per previous HS2 
> additions I've undertaken. All ways are also added into a single 
> relation for ease of reference/selection.
>
> The upload sits in one changeset
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44037689
>
> The uploaded data basically duplicates the consultation alignment 
> (with a very slight few meter offset) that was uploaded as the Phase 2 
> consultation alignment in 2014. Once the OGL shapefiles are available 
> for the now preferred phase 2b (Crewe to Manchester & West Midlands to 
> Leeds) I would propose to remove the original Phase 2 2014 data from 
> OSM so that the data properly reflects Governments now preferred 
> routes and the proper distinction between the three main phases of the 
> proposed HS2 (Phase 1, Phase 2a & Phase 2b -West and East). This will 
> also eliminate the apparent current data duplication over the Phase 2a 
> portion between the West Midlands and Crewe.
>
> The only data that appears to be missing in the Jan 2016 Phase 2a 
> shapefile is the proposed HS2 linespeed. I could copy the linespeed 
> data from the Phase 2 consultation version though I do not know if it 
> would be entirely correct. For now I'll ignore as it can always be 
> added from a suitable source later.
>
> Any comments please add them in the changeset comments.
>
> In other rail related updates I made new road layout final changes at 
> Norton Bridge WCML upgrades near Eccleshall at the weekend. All works 
> are now complete there.
> Also for those near Peterborough the new rail diveunder at Werrington 
> has just stared detailed design with the contractor now on board for 
> construction.
>
>
> Cheers
> Andy
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Dan S]

I must admit I'm with DaveF on this. It's immaterial to me whether
previous proposed routes were added to osm; this does not feel to me
like osm data, what with it not yet existing.
But... I presume there's been some previous detailed discussion thread
about all of this, since it's quite a significant "object" UK-wise?.

Best
Dan

2016-11-29 21:48 GMT+00:00 Dave F :
> I thought it was agreed we weren't mapping pie-in-the-sky proposals.
> Primarily because the creator fails to remove them when political will
> wanes.
>
> Perfect for a Leaflet overlay, though.
>
> DaveF
>
>
> On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:
>>
>> As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather buried
>> under an obscure filename.
>>
>> I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester &
>> Leeds)
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andy
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: 29 November 2016 16:28
>> To: talk-gb
>> Subject: HS2 phase 2a preferred route
>>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I've just added the Jan 2016 preferred route alignment for HS2 phase 2a
>> (West Midlands to Crewe) along with the associated tags, converted from
>> the
>> data.gov OGL shapefile to OSM format as per previous HS2 additions I've
>> undertaken. All ways are also added into a single relation for ease of
>> reference/selection.
>>
>> The upload sits in one changeset
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44037689
>>
>> The uploaded data basically duplicates the consultation alignment (with a
>> very slight few meter offset) that was uploaded as the Phase 2
>> consultation
>> alignment in 2014. Once the OGL shapefiles are available for the now
>> preferred phase 2b (Crewe to Manchester & West Midlands to Leeds) I would
>> propose to remove the original Phase 2 2014 data from OSM so that the data
>> properly reflects Governments now preferred routes and the proper
>> distinction between the three main phases of the proposed HS2 (Phase 1,
>> Phase 2a & Phase 2b -West and East). This will also eliminate the apparent
>> current data duplication over the Phase 2a portion between the West
>> Midlands
>> and Crewe.
>>
>> The only data that appears to be missing in the Jan 2016 Phase 2a
>> shapefile
>> is the proposed HS2 linespeed. I could copy the linespeed data from the
>> Phase 2 consultation version though I do not know if it would be entirely
>> correct. For now I'll ignore as it can always be added from a suitable
>> source later.
>>
>> Any comments please add them in the changeset comments.
>>
>> In other rail related updates I made new road layout final changes at
>> Norton
>> Bridge WCML upgrades near Eccleshall at the weekend. All works are now
>> complete there.
>> Also for those near Peterborough the new rail diveunder at Werrington has
>> just stared detailed design with the contractor now on board for
>> construction.
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Re: [Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Dave F]

I thought it was agreed we weren't mapping pie-in-the-sky proposals. 
Primarily because the creator fails to remove them when political will 
wanes.


Perfect for a Leaflet overlay, though.

DaveF

On 29/11/2016 19:19, Andy Robinson wrote:

As it happens the Phase 2b shape files are available. Just rather buried
under an obscure filename.

I'll post again once I've made the route updates for 2b (Manchester & Leeds)

Cheers
Andy

-Original Message-
From: Andy Robinson [mailto:ajrli...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 November 2016 16:28
To: talk-gb
Subject: HS2 phase 2a preferred route

Folks,

I've just added the Jan 2016 preferred route alignment for HS2 phase 2a
(West Midlands to Crewe) along with the associated tags, converted from the
data.gov OGL shapefile to OSM format as per previous HS2 additions I've
undertaken. All ways are also added into a single relation for ease of
reference/selection.

The upload sits in one changeset
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44037689

The uploaded data basically duplicates the consultation alignment (with a
very slight few meter offset) that was uploaded as the Phase 2 consultation
alignment in 2014. Once the OGL shapefiles are available for the now
preferred phase 2b (Crewe to Manchester & West Midlands to Leeds) I would
propose to remove the original Phase 2 2014 data from OSM so that the data
properly reflects Governments now preferred routes and the proper
distinction between the three main phases of the proposed HS2 (Phase 1,
Phase 2a & Phase 2b -West and East). This will also eliminate the apparent
current data duplication over the Phase 2a portion between the West Midlands
and Crewe.

The only data that appears to be missing in the Jan 2016 Phase 2a shapefile
is the proposed HS2 linespeed. I could copy the linespeed data from the
Phase 2 consultation version though I do not know if it would be entirely
correct. For now I'll ignore as it can always be added from a suitable
source later.

Any comments please add them in the changeset comments.

In other rail related updates I made new road layout final changes at Norton
Bridge WCML upgrades near Eccleshall at the weekend. All works are now
complete there.
Also for those near Peterborough the new rail diveunder at Werrington has
just stared detailed design with the contractor now on board for
construction.


Cheers
Andy



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[Talk-GB] HS2 phase 2a preferred route

[Andy Robinson]

Folks,

I've just added the Jan 2016 preferred route alignment for HS2 phase 2a
(West Midlands to Crewe) along with the associated tags, converted from the
data.gov OGL shapefile to OSM format as per previous HS2 additions I've
undertaken. All ways are also added into a single relation for ease of
reference/selection.

The upload sits in one changeset
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/44037689

The uploaded data basically duplicates the consultation alignment (with a
very slight few meter offset) that was uploaded as the Phase 2 consultation
alignment in 2014. Once the OGL shapefiles are available for the now
preferred phase 2b (Crewe to Manchester & West Midlands to Leeds) I would
propose to remove the original Phase 2 2014 data from OSM so that the data
properly reflects Governments now preferred routes and the proper
distinction between the three main phases of the proposed HS2 (Phase 1,
Phase 2a & Phase 2b -West and East). This will also eliminate the apparent
current data duplication over the Phase 2a portion between the West Midlands
and Crewe.

The only data that appears to be missing in the Jan 2016 Phase 2a shapefile
is the proposed HS2 linespeed. I could copy the linespeed data from the
Phase 2 consultation version though I do not know if it would be entirely
correct. For now I'll ignore as it can always be added from a suitable
source later.

Any comments please add them in the changeset comments.

In other rail related updates I made new road layout final changes at Norton
Bridge WCML upgrades near Eccleshall at the weekend. All works are now
complete there. 
Also for those near Peterborough the new rail diveunder at Werrington has
just stared detailed design with the contractor now on board for
construction.


Cheers
Andy


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