Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

Changes to schools.mapthe.uk:

After adding a school now a new OpenStreetMap edit window opens on the
location of the polygon.

On 8 June 2016 at 08:35, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I just updated the tool to make it even smoother to add.
> it is still connected to api06.dev so please test it ;-)
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 18:16, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
>>
>> * clearer message that something is added to OSM
>> * display all osm features not just polygons
>> * import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
>> * no import of blank values
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
 Christian asked:

> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>
>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>
> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

 I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
 Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS 
 OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead 
 to duplication.

>>>
>>> I will add as Gregory sugested:
>>> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
>>> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
>>> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>>>
>>> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
>>> your input is very appreciated :-)
>>>
 Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
 comparison?

 When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
 added it twice:
 http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
 http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445

>>>
>>> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
>>> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
>>> the 'add to osm' button.
>>>
>>>
 Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not 
 put the tags on the way?
>>>
>>> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
>>> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>>>
>>>
>>> If I interpreted
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
>>> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>>>
 In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
 value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.

>>>
>>> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>>>
 The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
 been added from.
>>>
>>> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>>>
 When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the 
 multipolygon and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings 
 within the polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this 
 possible?
>>>
>>> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
>>> browser - josm is another beast
>>>

 Ed

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Christian Ledermann
>>>
>>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>>
>>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>>
>>>
>>> <*)))>{
>>>
>>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>>
>>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>>
>>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>>
>>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>>
>>> }<(((*>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

I just updated the tool to make it even smoother to add.
it is still connected to api06.dev so please test it ;-)

On 3 June 2016 at 18:16, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:
>
> * clearer message that something is added to OSM
> * display all osm features not just polygons
> * import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
> * no import of blank values
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
>>> Christian asked:
>>>
 As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:

  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
  What would you like to see as improvements?

 As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>>
>>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
>>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS 
>>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead 
>>> to duplication.
>>>
>>
>> I will add as Gregory sugested:
>> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
>> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
>> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>>
>> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
>> your input is very appreciated :-)
>>
>>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
>>> comparison?
>>>
>>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
>>> added it twice:
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>>
>>
>> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
>> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
>> the 'add to osm' button.
>>
>>
>>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not 
>>> put the tags on the way?
>>
>> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
>> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>>
>>
>> If I interpreted
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
>> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>>
>>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
>>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>>
>>
>> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>>
>>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
>>> been added from.
>>
>> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>>
>>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon 
>>> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the 
>>> polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
>>
>> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
>> browser - josm is another beast
>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

}<(((*>

___
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

I implemented most of the improvement suggestions I received so far:

* clearer message that something is added to OSM
* display all osm features not just polygons
* import log which prevents double adding and gives feedback to the user
* no import of blank values





On 3 June 2016 at 09:46, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
>> Christian asked:
>>
>>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>>
>>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>>
>>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
>> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS 
>> OpenData polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead 
>> to duplication.
>>
>
> I will add as Gregory sugested:
> "The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
> outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
> manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."
>
> If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
> your input is very appreciated :-)
>
>> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
>> comparison?
>>
>> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
>> added it twice:
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>>
>
> Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
> have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
> the 'add to osm' button.
>
>
>> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put 
>> the tags on the way?
>
> Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
> In this case a multipolygon is needed.
>
>
> If I interpreted
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
> right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area
>
>> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
>> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>>
>
> In the future blank values will be omitted.
>
>> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
>> been added from.
>
> source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?
>
>> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon 
>> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the 
>> polygon, and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?
>
> It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
> browser - josm is another beast
>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

}<(((*>

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

On 3 June 2016 at 09:02, Ed Loach  wrote:
> Christian asked:
>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>
> I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
> Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS OpenData 
> polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead to 
> duplication.
>

I will add as Gregory sugested:
"The highlighted polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school
outline is already shown on the base map behind, then you should
manually add the tags (& edubase reference manually) to that object."

If there is anything you want to add to the documentation/input form
your input is very appreciated :-)

> Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
> comparison?
>
> When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
> added it twice:
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445
>

Yes good point. I think what is needed is to record which features
have been add with this tool and if a feature has been added disable
the 'add to osm' button.


> Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put 
> the tags on the way?

Some schools have school grounds that are on either side of a road.
In this case a multipolygon is needed.


If I interpreted
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relation:multipolygon and
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Area/The_Future_of_Areas
right, a multipolygon is the prefered way of adding an area

> In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
> value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.
>

In the future blank values will be omitted.

> The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has 
> been added from.

source would be edubase/seed+os-open ?

> When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon 
> and open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the polygon, 
> and any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?

It should be possible to open a new tab/window to edit osm in the
browser - josm is another beast

>
> Ed
>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

}<(((*>

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Ed Loach]

Christian asked:

> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
> 
>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>  What would you like to see as improvements?
> 
> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

I missed earlier emails on this subject but have had a quick play now. 
Instructions seem very lacking. Why do I get the option to add an OS OpenData 
polygon when the school is already mapped? That is likely to lead to 
duplication. 

Or is it just because I'm seeing live tiles but we’re using api06 data for 
comparison?

When I clicked Add to OSM nothing seemed to happen, so I tried again. So I 
added it twice:
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85444
http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/changeset/85445

Why is it adding a simple closed way as a multipolygon relation? Why not put 
the tags on the way?

In the example changesets above, it is adding the website key with a blank 
value. I'm not sure blank values need adding.

The changesets could probably use "source" tags to show where the data has been 
added from.

When I clicked on "Add to OSM" I thought it might both add the multipolygon and 
open my default editor to allow me to trace buildings within the polygon, and 
any other details visible from Bing. Is this possible?

Ed


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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

On 2 June 2016 at 21:04, Gregory Marler  wrote:
> So the polygon is from the OS open data?
>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
> I don't think OS open data counts as the functional site, I think it is a
> poor-quality(or low-resolution?) of the school property/boundary and so
> doesn't need special tags beyond source (additionally add
> source:outline=os_open if you really wish).

functionalsite refers to the os-open name of the shapefile

>
>
> I think your tool would be better if it clearly said "The highlighted
> polygon will be ADDED to OpenStreetMap. If a school outline is already shown
> on the base map behind, then you should manually add the tags (& edubase
> reference manually) to that object."
>

good idea, thanks :-)

> Others on this list/community may have concerns, they should speak up or it
> relies on the OSM Imports mailing list being sure this is suitable.
> Can someone confirm that we do have copyright permission/ability for the
> Edubase data? I.e. we can do go beyond "using it to conduct a survey, or add
> only the ref" and we can directly add all those attributes with an import
> tool?

http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/about.xhtml
`The Crown copyright-protected material featured on this website
(other than Departmental logos) may be reproduced free of charge in
any format or medium, under the terms of the “Open Government
Licence":http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence`

>
>
> From two roads away from a local primary school,
> Gregory.
>
>
>
> On 2 June 2016 at 20:31, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:
>>
>>  Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
>>  Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
>>  What would you like to see as improvements?
>>
>> As usual silence counts as approval ;-)
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>> > about operator tag
>> > should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>> >
>> > On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>> >  wrote:
>> >> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>> >>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>> >>>
>> >>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would
>> >>> be
>> >>> good.
>> >>
>> >> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>> >>
>> >> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this
>> >>> might
>> >>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> >>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>> >>
>> >> right, thanks :-)
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> From Durham,
>> >>> Gregory.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> 
>> >>> wrote:
>> 
>>  A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>  You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test
>>  the
>>  application
>>  It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test
>>  server!
>>  You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>> 
>>  On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>   wrote:
>>  > I updated the
>>  > https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>>  > branch with your comments
>>  >
>>  > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso 
>>  > wrote:
>>  >> Thanks a lot.
>>  >>
>>  >> Some feedback about your code:
>>  >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>>  >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>>  >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>>  >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR,
>>  >> 'data',
>>  >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>>  >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv)
>>  >> should
>>  >> be
>>  >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>  >>
>>  >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look
>>  >> at
>>  >> it
>>  >> later.
>>  >>
>>  >> Thanks again.
>>  >>
>>  >> Eric
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >>
>>  >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>>  >> 
>>  >> wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>> from
>>  >>> https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>  >>>
>>  >>> you have to download the
>>  >>>
>>  >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open`
>>  >>> Products
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>  >>> sligtly improved 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

As schools.mapthe.uk is an import project to osm:

 Does the community `buy in` to this approach?
 Can I go forward to contacting osm imports?
 What would you like to see as improvements?

As usual silence counts as approval ;-)

On 1 June 2016 at 21:41, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> about operator tag
> should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
>  wrote:
>> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>>>
>>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
>>> good.
>>
>> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>>
>> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>>
>>>
>>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
>>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>>
>> right, thanks :-)
>>
>>>
>>> From Durham,
>>> Gregory.
>>>
>>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
>>> wrote:

 A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
 You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
 application
 It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
 You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.

 On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
  wrote:
 > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
 > branch with your comments
 >
 > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
 >> Thanks a lot.
 >>
 >> Some feedback about your code:
 >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
 >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
 >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
 >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
 >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
 >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
 >> be
 >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
 >>
 >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
 >> it
 >> later.
 >>
 >> Thanks again.
 >>
 >> Eric
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
 >> 
 >> wrote:
 >>>
 >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
 >>>
 >>> you have to download the
 >>>
 >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
 >>> sligtly improved documentation
 >>>
 >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
 >>> schooldata
 >>>
 >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
 >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
 >>> and
 >>> `School contact details` from
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
 >>>
 >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
 >>> using it. The headers must be:
 >>>'SeedCode',
 >>> 'LA Name',
 >>> 'Centre Type',
 >>> 'School Name',
 >>> 'Address 1',
 >>> 'Address 2',
 >>> 'Address 3',
 >>> 'Post code',
 >>> 'E-mail',
 >>> 'Phone',
 >>> 'Primary_school',
 >>> 'Secondary',
 >>> 'Special',
 >>> 'Primary roll',
 >>> 'Secondary roll',
 >>> 'Special roll',
 >>> 'Primary1',
 >>> 'Secondary1',
 >>> 'Special1',
 >>> 'Denomination'
 >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>>
 >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
 >>> > Hi Christian,
 >>> >
 >>> > Thanks for this app.
 >>> >
 >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
 >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
 >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
 >>> > mentionned
 >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
 >>> >
 >>> > Cheers,
 >>> > Eric
 >>> >
 >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
 >>> > 
 >>> > wrote:
 >>> >>
 >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

about operator tag
should this be the trust in case of an academy and the LA else?

On 1 June 2016 at 21:32, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
>> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>>
>> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
>> good.
>
> source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?
>
> what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?
>
>>
>> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
>> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
>> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032
>
> right, thanks :-)
>
>>
>> From Durham,
>> Gregory.
>>
>> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
>>> application
>>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
>>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>>>
>>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>>  wrote:
>>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>>> > branch with your comments
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> >> Thanks a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>>> >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
>>> >> be
>>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>> >>
>>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
>>> >> it
>>> >> later.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks again.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eric
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>>> >> 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you have to download the
>>> >>>
>>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>>> >>>
>>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>>> >>> schooldata
>>> >>>
>>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> `School contact details` from
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>> >>>
>>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>>> >>>'SeedCode',
>>> >>> 'LA Name',
>>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>>> >>> 'School Name',
>>> >>> 'Address 1',
>>> >>> 'Address 2',
>>> >>> 'Address 3',
>>> >>> 'Post code',
>>> >>> 'E-mail',
>>> >>> 'Phone',
>>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>>> >>> 'Secondary',
>>> >>> 'Special',
>>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>>> >>> 'Special roll',
>>> >>> 'Primary1',
>>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>>> >>> 'Special1',
>>> >>> 'Denomination'
>>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>>> >>> > mentionned
>>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Cheers,
>>> >>> > Eric
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>>> >>> > 
>>> >>> > wrote:
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>>> >>> >> >
>>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>>> >>> >> > required
>>> >>> >> > for
>>> >>> >> > the
>>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based
>>> >>> >> > app
>>> >>> >> > that
>>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>>> >>> >>
>>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy
>>> >>> >> it.
>>> >>> 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

On 1 June 2016 at 21:21, Gregory Marler  wrote:
> I see you suitably have a created_by=osmoapi tag on the changeset.
>
> Having a source= tag on the the changeset and/or created object would be
> good.

source would be edubase/seed+osopen ?

what do you think about a rel:os-open:functionalsite = id?

>
> I also noticed a blank website tag got added, can you check tags this might
> happen to and not add them if blank. E.g.
> http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/relation/4300905032

right, thanks :-)

>
> From Durham,
> Gregory.
>
> On 1 June 2016 at 19:43, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
>> You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
>> application
>> It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
>> You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.
>>
>> On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
>>  wrote:
>> > I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
>> > branch with your comments
>> >
>> > On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> >> Thanks a lot.
>> >>
>> >> Some feedback about your code:
>> >> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> >> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> >> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> >> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>> >> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> >> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should
>> >> be
>> >> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>> >>
>> >> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at
>> >> it
>> >> later.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks again.
>> >>
>> >> Eric
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann
>> >> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>> >>>
>> >>> you have to download the
>> >>>
>> >>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>> >>> sligtly improved documentation
>> >>>
>> >>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the
>> >>> schooldata
>> >>>
>> >>> `All EduBase data.csv` from
>> >>> http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>> >>> and
>> >>> `School contact details` from
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>> >>>
>> >>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>> >>> using it. The headers must be:
>> >>>'SeedCode',
>> >>> 'LA Name',
>> >>> 'Centre Type',
>> >>> 'School Name',
>> >>> 'Address 1',
>> >>> 'Address 2',
>> >>> 'Address 3',
>> >>> 'Post code',
>> >>> 'E-mail',
>> >>> 'Phone',
>> >>> 'Primary_school',
>> >>> 'Secondary',
>> >>> 'Special',
>> >>> 'Primary roll',
>> >>> 'Secondary roll',
>> >>> 'Special roll',
>> >>> 'Primary1',
>> >>> 'Secondary1',
>> >>> 'Special1',
>> >>> 'Denomination'
>> >>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> >>> > Hi Christian,
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Thanks for this app.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file:
>> >>> > opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>> >>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>> >>> > mentionned
>> >>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers,
>> >>> > Eric
>> >>> >
>> >>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>> >>> > 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> >>> >> > Hi Christian
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability
>> >>> >> > required
>> >>> >> > for
>> >>> >> > the
>> >>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based
>> >>> >> > app
>> >>> >> > that
>> >>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy
>> >>> >> it.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for
>> >>> >> some
>> >>> >> early feedback
>> >>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Regards
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Brian
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

A Test version is now available online at http://schools.mapthe.uk/
You need an account on http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/ to test the
application
It will not modify any data on the live server only on the test server!
You can test away without being afraid to destroy anything.

On 9 May 2016 at 11:01, Christian Ledermann
 wrote:
> I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
> branch with your comments
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> Thanks a lot.
>>
>> Some feedback about your code:
>> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
>> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
>> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
>> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
>> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
>> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be
>> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>>
>> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it
>> later.
>>
>> Thanks again.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>>
>>> you have to download the
>>>
>>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>>> sligtly improved documentation
>>>
>>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata
>>>
>>> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>>> and
>>> `School contact details` from
>>>
>>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>>
>>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>>> using it. The headers must be:
>>>'SeedCode',
>>> 'LA Name',
>>> 'Centre Type',
>>> 'School Name',
>>> 'Address 1',
>>> 'Address 2',
>>> 'Address 3',
>>> 'Post code',
>>> 'E-mail',
>>> 'Phone',
>>> 'Primary_school',
>>> 'Secondary',
>>> 'Special',
>>> 'Primary roll',
>>> 'Secondary roll',
>>> 'Special roll',
>>> 'Primary1',
>>> 'Secondary1',
>>> 'Special1',
>>> 'Denomination'
>>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>>> > Hi Christian,
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for this app.
>>> >
>>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>>> > mentionned
>>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > Eric
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>>> > 
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>>> >> > Hi Christian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required
>>> >> > for
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app
>>> >> > that
>>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
>>> >> early feedback
>>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Regards
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Brian
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann
>>> >> > 
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>>> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> --
>>> >> >> Best Regards,
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Christian Ledermann
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>>> >> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> <*)))>{
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>>> >> >> left,
>>> >> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>>> >> >> If
>>> >> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>>> >> >> both.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> 3) Don’t change 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

I updated the https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop
branch with your comments

On 6 May 2016 at 21:16, Eric Grosso  wrote:
> Thanks a lot.
>
> Some feedback about your code:
> - "import urllib" is missing in fabfile.py
> - the code fails to create the schools.osm file:
> * the data/osm repository is missing and needs to be created
> * in this line: schools_file =  open(os.path.join(PROJECT_DIR, 'data',
> 'osm', 'schools.osm'), 'r') --> 'r' should be replaced by 'w'
> - the last part of your message (in link with seeddata2015.csv) should be
> added is added to the documentation as it helps a lot.
>
> I encountered another problem during the import. I'm going to look at it
> later.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On 6 May 2016 at 13:25, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> from https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/opendatadownload/products.html
>>
>> you have to download the
>>
>> `OS Open Map - Local` (all squares) and `Code-Point® Open` Products
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase/tree/develop has a
>> sligtly improved documentation
>>
>> you will also need the csv files from EduBase and seed for the schooldata
>>
>> `All EduBase data.csv` from http://www.education.gov.uk/edubase/home.xhtml
>> and
>> `School contact details` from
>>
>> http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/School-Education/Datasets/contactdetails
>>
>> the latter is in excel format and has to be converted into csv before
>> using it. The headers must be:
>>'SeedCode',
>> 'LA Name',
>> 'Centre Type',
>> 'School Name',
>> 'Address 1',
>> 'Address 2',
>> 'Address 3',
>> 'Post code',
>> 'E-mail',
>> 'Phone',
>> 'Primary_school',
>> 'Secondary',
>> 'Special',
>> 'Primary roll',
>> 'Secondary roll',
>> 'Special roll',
>> 'Primary1',
>> 'Secondary1',
>> 'Special1',
>> 'Denomination'
>> so rename them accordingly and remove the columns not included here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6 May 2016 at 12:51, Eric Grosso  wrote:
>> > Hi Christian,
>> >
>> > Thanks for this app.
>> >
>> > I'm trying to install it but it requires this file: opmplc_essh_nt.zip.
>> > Could you please tell me where this file comes from (as it isn't
>> > mentionned
>> > in the documentation). Thanks.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Eric
>> >
>> > On 6 May 2016 at 09:36, Christian Ledermann
>> > 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> >> > Hi Christian
>> >> >
>> >> > Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required
>> >> > for
>> >> > the
>> >> > preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app
>> >> > that
>> >> > ordinary folk can use?
>> >>
>> >> Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.
>> >>
>> >> Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
>> >> early feedback
>> >> so I would not be barking up the wrong tree
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Brian
>> >> >
>> >> > On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann
>> >> > 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>> >> >> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Best Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <*)))>{
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have
>> >> >> left,
>> >> >> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But
>> >> >> If
>> >> >> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose
>> >> >> both.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> }<(((*>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ___
>> >> >> Talk-GB mailing list
>> >> >> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
>> >> >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Christian Ledermann
>> >>
>> >> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> >> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>> >>
>> >> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> >> https://github.com/cleder/
>> >>
>> 

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

On 6 May 2016 at 08:42, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Hi Christian
>
> Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required for the
> preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app that
> ordinary folk can use?

Yes this is the plan :-) I have to secure some hosting and deploy it.

Right now the product is still unfinished and I was looking for some
early feedback
so I would not be barking up the wrong tree


>
> Regards
>
> Brian
>
> On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
>> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>>
>> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>>
>> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>>
>> --
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Christian Ledermann
>>
>> Newark-on-Trent - UK
>> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>>
>> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
>> https://github.com/cleder/
>>
>>
>> <*)))>{
>>
>> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
>> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
>> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>>
>> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>>
>> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>>
>> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>>
>> }<(((*>
>>
>> ___
>> Talk-GB mailing list
>> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
>



-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.

1) Don’t drive species to extinction

2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.

3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.

}<(((*>

___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Christian

Would love to test your app but too much technical ability required for the
preconditions to run the app. Can't we just have a browser-based app that
ordinary folk can use?

Regards

Brian

On 5 May 2016 at 18:53, Christian Ledermann 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
> Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.
>
> https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase
>
> Please have a look and let me know what you think.
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> Christian Ledermann
>
> Newark-on-Trent - UK
> Mobile : +44 7474997517
>
> https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
> https://github.com/cleder/
>
>
> <*)))>{
>
> If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
> you will also automatically save the physical environment, too. But If
> you only save the physical environment, you will ultimately lose both.
>
> 1) Don’t drive species to extinction
>
> 2) Don’t destroy a habitat that species rely on.
>
> 3) Don’t change the climate in ways that will result in the above.
>
> }<(((*>
>
> ___
> Talk-GB mailing list
> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
___
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Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

[Talk-GB] Schools Project

[Christian Ledermann]

Hi,

I developed an application that enables to compare OSM,
Ordonancesurvey, Edubase and SEED data.

https://github.com/cleder/os-opendata-edubase

Please have a look and let me know what you think.

-- 
Best Regards,

Christian Ledermann

Newark-on-Trent - UK
Mobile : +44 7474997517

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/christianledermann
https://github.com/cleder/


<*)))>{

If you save the living environment, the biodiversity that we have left,
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[Talk-GB] Schools project: last week

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

With one week to go we're at 79% of schools mapped. The total number of
amenity=school features has been falling in the last week as we continue to
remove duplicated nodes.

Let's aim for one big final push to get us over 80% and to get the total up
again.

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project update 4

[Rob Nickerson]

Knew I'd forget some!

7. Eight postcodes are 100% complete
Several more are as complete as can be due to shared sites etc making
"100%" on the tracker difficult.
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

8. Robert W's tool has had some updates
See
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-gb/2016-February/018434.html

On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 at 23:21 Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> A few updates on the school mapping project (sorry if I missed any, I've
> been away from it a little so may have missed a few things):
>
> 1. Trial of Loomio
> In the loomio trial we have decided to attempt a press release. Gregory
> has got a great draft up already for review [A] and you can join the
> discussion at loomio at [2B]
>
> [A] https://hackpad.com/OSM-UK-Schools-Project-bcgTXlEJ0K3
> [B] https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956
>
> 2. Mapping guide
> One way to introduce new people to OpenStreetMap is via the school
> project. There is now a picture based mapping guide. More guides are always
> welcome :-)
>
> http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/how-to-map-a-school-in-openstreetmap.html
>
> 3. More clean-up of duplicated data
> Total number of amenity=school features has stalled a little at the
> moment. Still lots of mapping activity so this is a sign of another round
> of clean-up of duplicated ways.
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515
>
> 4. Plenty still mapping though :-)
> This must just be a clean-up exercise as we still have plenty of people
> mapping (often 20+ per day doing 150+ edits per day).
>
> 5. We hit 3000 new amenity=school features
> Harry's tracker shows whether an edit to a school was a "creation" or a
> "modification". We just hit 3000 creations !!
>
> 6. Inclusion of official reference
> The total number of objects with edubase or seedcode references has topped
> 4000! Amazing demonstration of providing links to other databases. Would be
> cool to see some tool that makes use of this :)
>
> Happy mapping,
> Rob
>
>
> 
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[Talk-GB] Schools project update 4

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

A few updates on the school mapping project (sorry if I missed any, I've
been away from it a little so may have missed a few things):

1. Trial of Loomio
In the loomio trial we have decided to attempt a press release. Gregory has
got a great draft up already for review [A] and you can join the discussion
at loomio at [2B]

[A] https://hackpad.com/OSM-UK-Schools-Project-bcgTXlEJ0K3
[B] https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

2. Mapping guide
One way to introduce new people to OpenStreetMap is via the school project.
There is now a picture based mapping guide. More guides are always welcome
:-)
http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2016/02/how-to-map-a-school-in-openstreetmap.html

3. More clean-up of duplicated data
Total number of amenity=school features has stalled a little at the moment.
Still lots of mapping activity so this is a sign of another round of
clean-up of duplicated ways.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G9KXfp4Ho3fVROO9MxotcYTydl9CEXB_fi5ko2pM5Kc/edit#gid=1336142515

4. Plenty still mapping though :-)
This must just be a clean-up exercise as we still have plenty of people
mapping (often 20+ per day doing 150+ edits per day).

5. We hit 3000 new amenity=school features
Harry's tracker shows whether an edit to a school was a "creation" or a
"modification". We just hit 3000 creations !!

6. Inclusion of official reference
The total number of objects with edubase or seedcode references has topped
4000! Amazing demonstration of providing links to other databases. Would be
cool to see some tool that makes use of this :)

Happy mapping,
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[Talk-GB] Schools project, testing Loomio, and the UK OSM group.

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

I don't like asking people to sign up to yet another online service but I
think this *could* be really good.

TL;DR Please sign up to the following group to discuss how we can continue
to support the quarterly project:
https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

=Full details=
I have set up a group on Loomio to focus on the quarterly project to map
schools. Loomio is a collaboration tool that puts a focus on making
decisions. In late 2015 I spent a considerable amount of time researching
collaboration and communication tools. This followed on from the results of
the UK OSM group survey [1] which showed that 45% of people wanted decision
making to be at the membership level for *all* decisions.

The question was "How do we deliver the ability for members to drive
decision making?" The basic option is to stick with talk-gb - this has got
us to where we are now but should we be looking elsewhere in order to
better connect with potential mappers/users?

My research [2] found that Loomio is up there with the best of the
alternate tools. It is open source and can be deployed on our own servers
(for now we use their hosting).

I would like to trial Loomio with the current quarterly project - schools.
I'm aware some people won't like the idea of moving away from talk-gb but
if you could give it a go that would be appreciated. The Loomio group is
public and you can set up your email alerts as you desire (similar to
talk-gb).

Link to the group:

https://www.loomio.org/invitations/1f686576bce85c49f956

Best,
*Rob*
[1]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1A8rKyKUW0X01n-JEMLwEUT4ktX-7WrxNP03YTkZs6lU/edit#
[2]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11Z9vCilV96Tah5ruGFTIaSGxojEC9pvHo48Sc4vw5_Y/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Philip Barnes]

On Wed, 2016-01-27 at 18:35 +, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> >> 1. Open Data Manchester
> >> Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone
> can
> >> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is
> Monday
> >> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
> >> 
> >Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
> >18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long
> as
> >its not too far from the station.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Phil (trigpoint)
> 
I have signed up so am on the list.

Will take my laptop so I can demonstrate adding a school with iD.

Phil (trigpoint)

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Dave F]

I note the edubase website has Eastings & Northings. If they're more 
accurate than postcode centroids is there a way to

'scrape' the website as they don't appear to be in the downloaded database?

Cheers
Dave F.

On 26/01/2016 19:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:

A third update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. Open Data Manchester
Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can 
go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday 
February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?


2. Edits continue at pace.
For those adding #OSMSchools to their changeset comments (sorry no way 
to go back and add it if you forget) we reached a high of 258 
changesets on 18th Jan. The map is starting to look well covered 
(although some gaps missingso please continue to use this in your 
changesets). See 
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=OSMschool#6/53.495/-3.549


3. 175 people have done 5351 edits
Amazing numbers measured by Harry's tracker. Looks like Uganda has 
joined the project too. It would be great if someone could turn the 
CSV linked data at the bottom of the tracker into a daily chart. See 
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/


4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete. 
Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more 
schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too 
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/


5. Nodes converted to ways
Following lot's of data clean up we are nearing 80% of schools mapped 
as land areas rather than simple points. We should hit this in the 
next couple of days.


6. Northern Ireland still needs some work
If you map in Northern Ireland and want to get involved please do. 
Each extra school mapped there will help lift it off the bottom of the 
tracker. We can also look at doing some initiatives in NI if the local 
community want this. Let us know :-)


7. Blogs and video
Please keep up the blogging and tweeting. It would be great if we 
could attract some new mappers (a how to map schools video would be 
great if you have time to do this). If you don't run a blog then I can 
let you post to http://mappa-mercia.org


Happy mapping
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Rob Nickerson]

>>* 1. Open Data Manchester
*>>* Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can
*>*> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday
*>*> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
*>*>
*>Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
>18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long as
>its not too far from the station.
>
>Thanks
>Phil (trigpoint)


Thanks Phil,

Looks like it is a 20 minute walk west from Piccadilly [1]. I've messaged
to check that there is time during the meeting to cover OpenStreetMap.
Would be looking for a basic intro to editing (perhaps with iD as that
seems to be the starter editor of choice now) and pointing in the direction
of the UK Quarterly project [2]. Would be good to demo how to find a school
that needs mapping (using the tools we have), then how to add a simple
amenity=school area to OSM.

I shall let you know when I know more.

Best,
*Rob*
[1]
http://opendatamanchester.org.uk/2016/01/13/open-infrastructure-night-open-data-and-open-iot/
[2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue, 2016-01-26 at 19:38 +, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> A third update on the quarterly project.
> 
> 0. The what project?
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
> 
> 1. Open Data Manchester
> Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can
> go and show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday
> February 1st, 6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?
> 
Have you any more information on this? I can get into Piccadilly at
18:15, and last train home is 22:36. So would be interested as long as
its not too far from the station.

Thanks
Phil (trigpoint)

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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Rob Nickerson]

A third update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. Open Data Manchester
Following a tweet Open Data Manchester have asked whether anyone can go and
show them how to map. Looks like their next meeting is Monday February 1st,
6.30 – 8.30pm. Any volunteers?

2. Edits continue at pace.
For those adding #OSMSchools to their changeset comments (sorry no way to
go back and add it if you forget) we reached a high of 258 changesets on
18th Jan. The map is starting to look well covered (although some gaps
missingso please continue to use this in your changesets). See
http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/osm-changesets?comment=OSMschool#6/53.495/-3.549

3. 175 people have done 5351 edits
Amazing numbers measured by Harry's tracker. Looks like Uganda has joined
the project too. It would be great if someone could turn the CSV linked
data at the bottom of the tracker into a daily chart. See
http://harrywood.dev.openstreetmap.org/diffreader/schools/

4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete.
Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more
schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

5. Nodes converted to ways
Following lot's of data clean up we are nearing 80% of schools mapped as
land areas rather than simple points. We should hit this in the next couple
of days.

6. Northern Ireland still needs some work
If you map in Northern Ireland and want to get involved please do. Each
extra school mapped there will help lift it off the bottom of the tracker.
We can also look at doing some initiatives in NI if the local community
want this. Let us know :-)

7. Blogs and video
Please keep up the blogging and tweeting. It would be great if we could
attract some new mappers (a how to map schools video would be great if you
have time to do this). If you don't run a blog then I can let you post to
http://mappa-mercia.org

Happy mapping
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Lester Caine]

On 26/01/16 19:38, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> 4. HS and ZE are 100% complete!
> Wow! The HS (Outer Hebrides) and ZE (Lerwick) postcodes are complete.
> Thanks go to OpenStreetMapper seumas. Many other postcodes (with more
> schools within them ;-) ) are close to this now too
> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/

Actually the completion list is actually a lot better than that. The
current process has problems with special cases which ARE complete as
best we can tag them, but the progress tool does not understand the
problems.

But it would be better to also display what percentage actually have
edubase or similar ID tags as well. That coverage needs more work yet.
I've hacked the current name check script and can identify those schools
that exist but without an ID.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 3

[Rob Nickerson]

Am aware of this Lester. It makes the blog post a lot harder though. Feel
free to write something up and send it through :-)

BTW: The amenity=college page on the wiki [1] is lacking a lot. Could do
with some extra details (rather than simply linking to wikipedia) and it's
context needs expanding beyond just the UK. Any takers?

*Rob*
[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcollege
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[Lester Caine]

On 26/01/16 21:20, Rob Nickerson wrote:
> 
> BTW: The amenity=college page on the wiki [1] is lacking a lot. Could do
> with some extra details (rather than simply linking to wikipedia) and
> it's context needs expanding beyond just the UK. Any takers?
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity%3Dcollege

Actually the way that the UK higher education structure has changed it's
possibly pointless today bothering with 'college' as a category. Many
'Technical Colleges' now call themselves Universities, and secondary
education now extends into the sixth form college sector. When a
University includes 'Hairdressing' or 'Car mechanics' then it's degree
status looks a little suspect? Even the Wikipedia article is tagged as
'Outdated' for 'Further Education' :)

That said, The remaining college sector does seem to be consolidating
with a well defined 'non-university' prospectus and the EduBase2
categories for University and College is probably an ideal division to
follow, and I was tagging sixth form colleges as College rather than
School following that tagging. The question perhaps is should the fancy
'Academy' Secondary school be tagged separately at all? Since these do
not have to include that in their titles ... The tricky bit being the
16-19 age range campuses. Of cause once the URN is included one can look
up the secondary data anyway.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project Closed Schools

[SK53]

There are at least 2 options:

1. Just delete them.
2. Change the base tag to one indicating that it is no longer a school: eg,
disused:amenity or old_amenity.

I prefer the second, as the former is always prone to be mistaken for a
missing data. Additionally old school buildings may get turned into private
houses, or adapted as community centres, so being able to identify the old
school can be helpful

The thing not to do is just add a disused=yes, see numerous wiki pages &
messages for why not!

Jerry

On 15 January 2016 at 14:13, Paterson, Keith  wrote:

> I'm mapping in Skye & Highland from my couch and have cone across Schools
> that have been closed. How do we map them as closed?
> Example Inverasdale Primary School (way/184654903
> )
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[Paterson, Keith]

I'm mapping in Skye & Highland from my couch and have cone across 
Schools that have been closed. How do we map them as closed?
Example Inverasdale Primary School (way/184654903 
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project Closed Schools

[Dave F.]

I've been following this wiki:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:disused:

On 15/01/2016 14:13, Paterson, Keith wrote:
I'm mapping in Skye & Highland from my couch and have cone across 
Schools that have been closed. How do we map them as closed?
Example Inverasdale Primary School (way/184654903 
)






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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update 2

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 14 January 2016 at 22:43, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> 2. Matching algorithm updated
> It looks like Robert W updated the matching algorithm shortly afterwards as
> all percentages have seen an increase. London WC is now showing as 100%
> complete but the detailed page gives another story. Don't forget to use the
> ref:edubase (and similar) tags as Robert's tool makes use of these.

Yes, I've made some changes to the tool at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/ , but it's to the data imported
from OSM, rather than the (still very simplistic) matching algorithm.
I'm now including both relations and ways tagged with either
amenity=school or amenity=college. (Previously it was just ways tagged
with amenity=school.)

Looking at some of the Edubase data near to me, it's clear that some
of the institutions should be tagged as colleges in OSM. Also near me
are a number of schools in OSM that were tagged using multipolygon
relations to collect together individual ways that make up the
boundary. I've deliberately excluded nodes to encourage these to be
converted into areas.

The matching algorithm could certainly be improved significantly, and
hopefully I'll get a chance to look at this at some point later this
month. But in the mean time, the best way to ensure the right things
are matched to each other is to map any missing schools, retag any
objects incorrectly tagged as schools, and add ref:edubase,
ref:seedcode and ref:deniirn tags as appropriate.

Finally, if you haven't looked recently, you'll find some other other
reports and Overpass Turbo links at
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/ , which people may
find useful for more Quality Control work on our Schools data.

Robert.

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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update 2

[Rob Nickerson]

Another update on the quarterly project.

0. The what project?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects

1. GL postcode gains the lead
I've updated the progress table in the above link. GL postcode has surged
from 12th place to 1st! Well done :-)

2. Matching algorithm updated
It looks like Robert W updated the matching algorithm shortly afterwards as
all percentages have seen an increase. London WC is now showing as 100%
complete but the detailed page gives another story. Don't forget to use the
ref:edubase (and similar) tags as Robert's tool makes use of these.

3. We inspired OSM-BE!!
Great news: The OpenStreetMap Belgium group has set up the same quarterly
project in their country.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/BE_Quarterly_Projects

4. The edits continue at pace :-)
Today saw our highest number of changesets with the #OSMschools tag and,
after an initial clear out of bad/duplicated data, the total number of
schools is on the rise. We are also still converting nodes to ways so
that's great too :-D

5. Department for Education tweeted us!
I'm hoping to get them involved :-)
https://twitter.com/educationgovuk/status/685393485667680256

Thanks all,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update

[Stuart Reynolds]

There ought to be, somewhere - they are all required to be Ofsted inspected, 
after all.

I searched Ofsted for Maids Moreton Pre-School, and it has a URN of EY476044. 
EY in this case would stand for “Early Years”. I’ll go hunting for a database, 
now!


Regards,
Stuart


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> On 13 Jan 2016, at 15:28, Dave F.  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> Is there a similar national database for nurseries, or would that be 
> controlled by individual local authorities?
> 
> Further comments in-line
> 
> 
> On 12/01/2016 22:01, Rob Nickerson wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> > Cross post to talk-ie (we are working on a quarterly project to map 
>> > schools - feel free to join (see item 3 below).
>> 
>> A few updates for the schools mapping project. As always there is also the 
>> page on the wiki for quick reference ( 
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ).
>> 
>> 0. Changeset comments
>> Don't forget to add #OSMschools to your changeset comments. I will ask 
>> Pascal Neis for an updated "Who's contributing" dataset next week.
> 
> I've been adding this tag but will probably only retrieve the roughest of 
> data. I've often gone off on a tangent amending/adding adjacent objects, 
> realigning roads etc.
> 
>> 
>> 2. Robert's data by postcode.
>> Robert W has updated his comparison site to enable you to download the 
>> schools by postcode data as a geojson. Example download URL is:
>> http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/B/data.js
>> 
>> Once downloaded, open the file, delete the first line ("var matched = ") and 
>> save.
> 
> I've already been using this data in P2 as part of it's 'Tasks' feature. No 
> laborious panning around!
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/28267
> 
> Do any other the other editors have a similar feature?
> 
> I found it easier if I separate Robert's files into 3 for each 
> FeatureCollection: Matched, Unmatched & Missing. I also wanted to do start 
> with my local county rather than by postcode so I've used Overpass Turbo to 
> retrieve the relevant data: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dIG (change county 
> name>run>Export>geojson)
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Dave F,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update

[Dave F.]

Hi

Is there a similar national database for nurseries, or would that be 
controlled by individual local authorities?


Further comments in-line


On 12/01/2016 22:01, Rob Nickerson wrote:

Hi all,

> Cross post to talk-ie (we are working on a quarterly project to map 
schools - feel free to join (see item 3 below).


A few updates for the schools mapping project. As always there is also 
the page on the wiki for quick reference ( 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ).


0. Changeset comments
Don't forget to add #OSMschools to your changeset comments. I will ask 
Pascal Neis for an updated "Who's contributing" dataset next week.


I've been adding this tag but will probably only retrieve the roughest 
of data. I've often gone off on a tangent amending/adding adjacent 
objects, realigning roads etc.




2. Robert's data by postcode.
Robert W has updated his comparison site to enable you to download the 
schools by postcode data as a geojson. Example download URL is:

http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/B/data.js

Once downloaded, open the file, delete the first line ("var matched = 
") and save.


I've already been using this data in P2 as part of it's 'Tasks' feature. 
No laborious panning around!

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Richard/diary/28267

Do any other the other editors have a similar feature?

I found it easier if I separate Robert's files into 3 for each 
FeatureCollection: Matched, Unmatched & Missing. I also wanted to do 
start with my local county rather than by postcode so I've used Overpass 
Turbo to retrieve the relevant data: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/dIG 
(change county name>run>Export>geojson)



Cheers
Dave F,

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[Talk-GB] Schools project - update

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

> Cross post to talk-ie (we are working on a quarterly project to map
schools - feel free to join (see item 3 below).

A few updates for the schools mapping project. As always there is also the
page on the wiki for quick reference (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ).

0. Changeset comments
Don't forget to add #OSMschools to your changeset comments. I will ask
Pascal Neis for an updated "Who's contributing" dataset next week.


1. Calling all video tutorial experts
I've put out a call on Mappa Mercia's twitter (and now here) asking for
someone to create a very short "How to map schools in iD" video. I think
this will help with engaging new communities so if you feel up to the task
give me a shout :-)


2. Robert's data by postcode.
Robert W has updated his comparison site to enable you to download the
schools by postcode data as a geojson. Example download URL is:
http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/B/data.js

Once downloaded, open the file, delete the first line ("var matched = ")
and save.


3. Northern Ireland data
I have downloaded a snapshot of Northern Ireland "schools plus" data from
2016-01-12 and asked Robert to add it to his comparison tool.

Source: https://www.deni.gov.uk/services/schools-plus (go to the schools
plus site, click the "All institutions" button followed by the export link
on the left). It includes items in "schools" and "non-schools" grouping as
set out at http://apps.deni.gov.uk/appinstitutes/InstViewInstType.aspx If
you want a copy of my pre-processed data then let me know.


4. Isle of Man data
This is online if anyone wants it. Given it is a smaller community I would
prefer to encourage them to add it to the map. The video tutorial will help
here :-) Data at:
https://www.gov.im/categories/education-training-and-careers/schools-and-colleges/


5. ITO World map of schools
This map is mainly useful for OpenStreetMap contributors who want to ensure
that they collect names for all schools in an area. View it at
http://product.itoworld.com/map/6

Happy mapping
*Rob*
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Re: [Talk-GB] Schools project - update

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi,

Robert W's comparison tool now includes schools in Northern Ireland. Looks
like it could do with some work as current progress is at 18.8%.

Comparison tool: http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/schools/progress/
More info: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects
Tag for including official reference numbers: ref:deniirn=* (note the
double i - stands for Department for Education Northern Ireland -
Institution Ref Number).

Best,
Rob

On 12 January 2016 at 22:01, Rob Nickerson 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> > Cross post to talk-ie (we are working on a quarterly project to map
> schools - feel free to join (see item 3 below).
>
> A few updates for the schools mapping project. As always there is also the
> page on the wiki for quick reference (
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/UK_Quarterly_Projects ).
> 
>

> 3. Northern Ireland data
> I have downloaded a snapshot of Northern Ireland "schools plus" data from
> 2016-01-12 and asked Robert to add it to his comparison tool.
>
> Source: https://www.deni.gov.uk/services/schools-plus (go to the schools
> plus site, click the "All institutions" button followed by the export link
> on the left). It includes items in "schools" and "non-schools" grouping as
> set out at http://apps.deni.gov.uk/appinstitutes/InstViewInstType.aspx If
> you want a copy of my pre-processed data then let me know.
>
> Happy mapping
> *Rob*
>
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