Re: [Talk-GB] Scotland countryside mapping

2010-06-13 Thread Ed Avis
Nick Whitelegg nick_whitel...@... writes:

Firstly, while (I believe) you can walk just about anywhere in Scotland, except
during the stalking season, there are a number of waymarked footpaths, 
waymarked
similarly to England and Wales. I guess these have no legal relevance but are
merely recommended routes. Are these tagged specifically?

I think the opposite is the case - it is the legal significance (such as
designation=public_footpath in England) that is normally tagged separately.
For these that are just roads on the ground, they can be highway=path.

I came across a number of occasions where tracks temporarily end, then restart
further on, and in between is a relatively easy cross country route which you
can follow (unsignposted)

This is a theological question on which I don't have the latest doctrine.
I would incline to say that they might be useful to have on the map, so put them
in, but I doubt there is an agreed tagging schema.

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Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com


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Re: [Talk-GB] Scotland countryside mapping

2010-06-13 Thread Craig Wallace
On 12/06/2010 22:37, Nick Whitelegg wrote:
 Firstly, while (I believe) you can walk just about anywhere in Scotland,
 except during the stalking season, there are a number of waymarked
 footpaths, waymarked similarly to England and Wales. I guess these have
 no legal relevance but are merely recommended routes. Are these tagged
 specifically? I just tagged them note=Waymarked footpath

You could tag them as lwn=yes (for 'local walking network').
I've done this for a few paths that seem to be part of a local network 
of signposted paths.

There are also core paths, which will be designated by local councils, 
and should be signposted etc. Though I don't think any of these have 
been created yet (there's been various consultations over the last few 
years).
I think it would be worth having a designation=core_path tag for when 
these appear.

 Secondly, again while you can walk anywhere, I came across a number of
 occasions where tracks temporarily end, then restart further on, and in
 between is a relatively easy cross country route which you can follow
 (unsignposted) where you don't have to scale drystone walls, scramble
 through undergrowth etc. AFAIK such recommended routes are not
 generally put into OSM but need a separate project, but does anyone do
 otherwise?

If there doesn't appear to be any sort of path on the ground (or signs 
that other people have walked that way), then I probably wouldn't map them.

You could tag them as highway=path, trail_visibility=no
But the question is where do you draw this recommended route? Should 
it be the most direct line between the visible paths at each end?

It suppose it would be more useful to map what's actually on the ground, 
ie fields, walls etc, but that isn't always practical.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Scotland countryside mapping

2010-06-13 Thread andrew
Nick Whitelegg wrote:

 
 Firstly, while (I believe) you can walk just about anywhere in Scotland,
 except during the stalking season, there are a number of waymarked
 footpaths, waymarked similarly to England and Wales. I guess these have no
 legal relevance but are merely recommended routes. Are these tagged
 specifically? I just tagged them note=Waymarked footpath

Just because there is open access doesn't mean footpaths with rights of way
have ceased to exist. Have a look at:
http://www.scotways.com/

I've just spent a week in the highlands and came across the prows from Loch
Etive to Bonawe  and Steall to Corrour which are signed as public
footpaths.

I think one of the consequences of the open access is that prows are not
maintained by highway authorities any more.

 Secondly, again while you can walk anywhere, I came across a number of
 occasions where tracks temporarily end, then restart further on, and in
 between is a relatively easy cross country route which you can follow
 (unsignposted) where you don't have to scale drystone walls, scramble
 through undergrowth etc. AFAIK such recommended routes are not generally
 put into OSM but need a separate project, but does anyone do otherwise?

I found that these trails were often well defined on firm ground and then 
unclear where a softer piece of peaty ground needed crossing, people seemed
to have spread out to negotiate the bog.

What I wonder about is how to tag a known and clear route other than as a
footpath.  I'd like to show my walks but not necessarily have them rendered
as footpaths in case people who are unprepared should attempt them.

I'd also like a recommendation for a gpslooger that doesn't log whilst
stationary and has at least 50hours of battery life 

AJH


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[Talk-GB] Scotland countryside mapping

2010-06-12 Thread Nick Whitelegg
Hello everyone,

For the first time since OSM came into being I've just now visited low(ish)land 
Scotland, i.e. Dumfries and Galloway and wondered what Scottish mappers 
typically do about these situations.

Firstly, while (I believe) you can walk just about anywhere in Scotland, except 
during the stalking season, there are a number of waymarked footpaths, 
waymarked similarly to England and Wales. I guess these have no legal relevance 
but are merely recommended routes. Are these tagged specifically? I just tagged 
them note=Waymarked footpath

Secondly, again while you can walk anywhere, I came across a number of 
occasions where tracks temporarily end, then restart further on, and in between 
is a relatively easy cross country route which you can follow (unsignposted) 
where you don't have to scale drystone walls, scramble through undergrowth etc. 
AFAIK such recommended routes are not generally put into OSM but need a 
separate project, but does anyone do otherwise?

Thanks,
Nick



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