Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB 
There's shop=chandler, and waterway=fuel.

On Mon, 3 Feb 2020, 15:48 Nick Allen,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> The main usage that I'm aware of is to do with the waterways network in
> the UK. Many narrowboats, and others,  have solid fuel stoves on board, and
> buy from Chandler's or narrowboats that work the waterways supplying gas,
> solid fuel and other consumables.
>
> Mapping the mobile suppliers would be difficult, add they mover on after a
> few days,  but the Chandler's,  and petrol stations that supply the boaters
> could do with a consistent tagging scheme.
>
> Nick
> (Tallguy)
> my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!
>
> On Mon, 3 Feb 2020, 13:49 SK53,  wrote:
>
>> There's one 
>> fairly close to me (or at least their sign is still there, I've not
>> recently verified that they still exist). We used shop=coal (but see
>> below), which is not far off the more generic shop=fuel.
>>
>> It's over 20 years ago since I bought coal. I ordered it and was
>> delivered, perhaps 1 cwt which lasted the winter. I think that's how most
>> solid fuel will be sold, so most are not really shops but coal merchants
>> yards. I have no idea how these should be tagged, but shop is probably not
>> particularly correct. Similar things will be true for suppliers of LPG or
>> Oil for heating systems in rural areas. In Spain people used to buy butane
>> for cooking (probably still do) largely through Butano SA which became a
>> Repsol subsidiary. I ought to know how this worked as a relative worked for
>> them, but don't. I suspect it's possible to get regular deliveries (just
>> like the old Corona
>>  vans - fizzy pop
>> I hasten to add).
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 21:28, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>>
>>> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
>>> probably many of them in some countries.
>>>
>>> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on
>>> the map for your efforts.
>>>
>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Paul Berry 
This is exactly how I've retagged a coal merchant's near me:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/276999136

I suppose it's not a shop, per se, but it is a building and a place of
business from which fuel is sold...

Regards,
*Paul*

On Mon, 3 Feb 2020 at 12:26, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB <
talk-gb@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> shop=fuel + fuel=coal ?
>
>
> 2 Feb 2020, 22:27 by ajrli...@gmail.com:
>
> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
> probably many of them in some countries.
>
> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on
> the map for your efforts.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Philip Barnes 
On Mon, 2020-02-03 at 13:47 +, SK53 wrote:
> There's one fairly close to me (or at least their sign is still
> there, I've not recently verified that they still exist). We used
> shop=coal (but see below), which is not far off the more generic
> shop=fuel.
> 
> It's over 20 years ago since I bought coal. I ordered it and was
> delivered, perhaps 1 cwt which lasted the winter. I think that's how
> most solid fuel will be sold, so most are not really shops but coal
> merchants yards. I have no idea how these should be tagged, but shop
> is probably not particularly correct. Similar things will be true for
> suppliers of LPG or Oil for heating systems in rural areas. In Spain
> people used to buy butane for cooking (probably still do) largely
> through Butano SA which became a Repsol subsidiary. I ought to know
> how this worked as a relative worked for them, but don't. I suspect
> it's possible to get regular deliveries (just like the old Corona
> vans - fizzy pop I hasten to add).
> 
I did discover that big customers for my local one are heritage
railways, obvious as there are several not far away. Severn Valley and
Llangollen being the big ones.

You can go there and buy domestic coal too, although the days of the
coal man that I remember are long gone.

Phil (trigpoint)
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Nick Allen 
Hi,

The main usage that I'm aware of is to do with the waterways network in the
UK. Many narrowboats, and others,  have solid fuel stoves on board, and buy
from Chandler's or narrowboats that work the waterways supplying gas,
solid fuel and other consumables.

Mapping the mobile suppliers would be difficult, add they mover on after a
few days,  but the Chandler's,  and petrol stations that supply the boaters
could do with a consistent tagging scheme.

Nick
(Tallguy)
my phone is responsible for any spelling mistakes!

On Mon, 3 Feb 2020, 13:49 SK53,  wrote:

> There's one 
> fairly close to me (or at least their sign is still there, I've not
> recently verified that they still exist). We used shop=coal (but see
> below), which is not far off the more generic shop=fuel.
>
> It's over 20 years ago since I bought coal. I ordered it and was
> delivered, perhaps 1 cwt which lasted the winter. I think that's how most
> solid fuel will be sold, so most are not really shops but coal merchants
> yards. I have no idea how these should be tagged, but shop is probably not
> particularly correct. Similar things will be true for suppliers of LPG or
> Oil for heating systems in rural areas. In Spain people used to buy butane
> for cooking (probably still do) largely through Butano SA which became a
> Repsol subsidiary. I ought to know how this worked as a relative worked for
> them, but don't. I suspect it's possible to get regular deliveries (just
> like the old Corona
>  vans - fizzy pop
> I hasten to add).
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 21:28, Andy Robinson  wrote:
>
>> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
>> probably many of them in some countries.
>>
>> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on
>> the map for your efforts.
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread SK53 
There's one  fairly
close to me (or at least their sign is still there, I've not recently
verified that they still exist). We used shop=coal (but see below), which
is not far off the more generic shop=fuel.

It's over 20 years ago since I bought coal. I ordered it and was delivered,
perhaps 1 cwt which lasted the winter. I think that's how most solid fuel
will be sold, so most are not really shops but coal merchants yards. I have
no idea how these should be tagged, but shop is probably not particularly
correct. Similar things will be true for suppliers of LPG or Oil for
heating systems in rural areas. In Spain people used to buy butane for
cooking (probably still do) largely through Butano SA which became a Repsol
subsidiary. I ought to know how this worked as a relative worked for them,
but don't. I suspect it's possible to get regular deliveries (just like the
old Corona  vans -
fizzy pop I hasten to add).

Jerry

On Sun, 2 Feb 2020 at 21:28, Andy Robinson  wrote:

> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
> probably many of them in some countries.
>
> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on
> the map for your efforts.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-03 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-GB 
shop=fuel + fuel=coal ?

2 Feb 2020, 22:27 by ajrli...@gmail.com:

>
> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around, 
> probably many of them in some countries.
>
>
> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on the 
> map for your efforts.
>
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
>
>
>  
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Andy
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-02 Thread Edward Catmur via Talk-GB 
amenity=fuel is specifically for fuel sold for immediate use by road
vehicles (air, water and rail fuel stations have their own tags). Unless
you're running a steam car, I think you want shop=fuel.

On Sun, 2 Feb 2020, 21:27 Andy Robinson,  wrote:

> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
> probably many of them in some countries.
>
> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on
> the map for your efforts.
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-02 Thread Philip Barnes 
On Sunday, 2 February 2020, Andy Robinson wrote:
> Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
> probably many of them in some countries. 
> 
> amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on the
> map for your efforts.
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306
> 
I suspect most domestic quantities of coal are sold by garages these days, my 
local garage sells it in sealed plastic bags.

There is a big one alongside the Crewe line out of Shrewsbury with hoppers with 
names of different coal types, I have often wondered where the market is these 
days.

Phil (trigpoint)

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[Talk-GB] Soild fuel

2020-02-02 Thread Andy Robinson 
Solid fuel; as in a coal merchants. Yes, still a few of those around,
probably many of them in some countries. 

amenity=fuel / fuel=solid perhaps but that will receive a petrol pump on the
map for your efforts.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/7171642306

 

Cheers

Andy

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