Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Dudley Ibbett]

Hi Rob

 

It seems that if we are thinking about charitable
organisation we need to be careful about whether we are talking about “aims” or
“objectives”.  Quoting : 
http://www.ces-vol.org.uk/about-performance-improvement/about-monitoring-evaluation/planning-for-monitoring-evaluation/aims.html
“Aims are the changes you are trying to achieve.” and “Objectives are the
methods or activities by which you achieve your aims”.  

 

My initial thought for an objective was:  “To facilitate and encourage the 
development
and use of Openstreetmap in the UK”. 
Although this looks like more of an “aim” according to the above.

 

I do think including “use” is important.  There are clearly large data users 
but this
also works down at an individual level.  I
started by using an OSM map on my Garmin for example before I then became
involved in improving the map.  So
encouraging use could well lead to more development.  I also think that using 
the map helps
feedback into improving the overall quality of development.

 

Personally I’m not sure about “increase the number of data
contributors” as a primary objective.  I
know of a chair for one organisation that decided that this was very important
and ended up undermining the aim of the organisation.  I also not that keen on 
“keep their
motivation”.   It strikes me as quite a
difficult objective to achieve and assess the organisations success against,
given how many individual motivations seem to exist in the OSM community.

 

Perhaps we need to restructure this with aims and objectives
to achieve these.  If we want to keep the
option of a charitable organisation open then presumably the aims will also 
need to
be “charitable”.

 

Kind Regards

 

Dudley



Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:12:25 +
From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; rj...@cantab.net
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>>
>> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>>
>> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
>> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve
>> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>>
>> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use
>> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>>
>> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
>> achieving these aims.



Robert W wrote:
>I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
>allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
>
>* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
>encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
>rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)>
>

Hi Robert,

I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general note 
(as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event last 
week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them you should 
ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this case I think 
tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to the "keep them 
motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in Brian's first point. To 
use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or Obtain, Train, Retain if you 
prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the Retain strategy. Shout out if you 
disagree and I may be incorrectly interpreting.

Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in with 
their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...} contribution of 
data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the release of OpenData" but 
put in a way that also covers other data sets. I like your wording here.

Best,
Rob



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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Dudley,

I loose track of the definitions you sometimes get in business, and to
confirm we are looking for "aims" here. The objectives would be the
"projects" I mentioned in a previous email.

The bit on "use" probably does need expanding as Robert W also mentioned
it. If anyone has any further ideas please let us know :-)

Regards,
*Rob*



On 4 January 2016 at 20:01, Dudley Ibbett <dudleyibb...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob
>
>
>
> It seems that if we are thinking about charitable organisation we need to
> be careful about whether we are talking about “aims” or “objectives”.  Quoting
> :
> http://www.ces-vol.org.uk/about-performance-improvement/about-monitoring-evaluation/planning-for-monitoring-evaluation/aims.html
> “Aims are the changes you are trying to achieve.” and “Objectives are the
> methods or activities by which you achieve your aims”.
>
>
>
> My initial thought for an objective was:  “To facilitate and encourage
> the development and use of Openstreetmap in the UK”.  Although this looks
> like more of an “aim” according to the above.
>
>
>
> I do think including “use” is important.  There are clearly large data
> users but this also works down at an individual level.  I started by
> using an OSM map on my Garmin for example before I then became involved in
> improving the map.  So encouraging use could well lead to more
> development.  I also think that using the map helps feedback into
> improving the overall quality of development.
>
>
>
> Personally I’m not sure about “increase the number of data contributors”
> as a primary objective.  I know of a chair for one organisation that
> decided that this was very important and ended up undermining the aim of
> the organisation.  I also not that keen on “keep their motivation”.   It
> strikes me as quite a difficult objective to achieve and assess the
> organisations success against, given how many individual motivations seem
> to exist in the OSM community.
>
>
>
> Perhaps we need to restructure this with aims and objectives to achieve
> these.  If we want to keep the option of a charitable organisation open
> then presumably the aims will also need to be “charitable”.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Dudley
>
>
> ------
> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:12:25 +
> From: rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com
> To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org; rj...@cantab.net
> Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims
>
>
> On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> >> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
> >>
> >> The aims of (eventual name) are:
> >>
> >> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and
> keep
> >> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to
> improve
> >> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
> >>
> >> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to
> use
> >> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
> >>
> >> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
> >> achieving these aims.
>
>
>
> Robert W wrote:
> >I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
> >allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
> >
> >* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
> >encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
> >(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
> >rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)
> >
> >
>
> Hi Robert,
>
> I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general
> note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event
> last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them
> you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this
> case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to
> the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in
> Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or
> Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the
> Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly
> interpreting.
>
> Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in
> with their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...}
> contribution of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the
> release of OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I
> like your wording here.
>
> Best,
> *Rob*
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>
> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>
> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve
> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>
> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use
> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>
> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
> achieving these aims.

I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:

* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)

* Something more explicit about promoting / encouraging / helping
facilitate the use and contribution of data from/to OSM. (The second
point above only talks about being a point of contact, and not
actually acting to encourage these activities.)

I'm not saying that the group should necessarily focus a lot of
resources on either of these additional areas, but it might be better
to be more general from the outset to cover ourselves in case any
activities stray into these areas. Depending on what form the
organisation takes, we may be more or less constrained to keep within
our stated aims -- particularly if it comes to anything that could be
seen as speaking in favour of compatible OpenData in the political
arena.

Best wishes,

Robert.

-- 
Robert Whittaker

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Re: [Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Rob Nickerson]

On 3 January 2016 at 16:45, Brian Prangle  wrote:
>> Proposed aims for UKOSM:
>>
>> The aims of (eventual name) are:
>>
>> To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
>> their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to
improve
>> and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>>
>> To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to
use
>> OSM data or contribute data to OSM.
>>
>> To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
>> achieving these aims.

Robert W wrote:
>I think those are all good. From a personal point of view (and to
>allow more flexibility if we want to) I'd also like to see:
>
>* Something more explicit to allow the group to create / support /
>encourage the use of tools to improve OpenStreetMap data in the UK.
>(The first point above could be read as just focusing on the mappers,
>rather than the wider aim of improving the data by any other means.)
>
>

Hi Robert,

I think your first point is already covered in Brian's first. As a general
note (as I was getting confused whilst discussing this at the mapping event
last week) the aim here is to get a high level set of aims. To test them
you should ask yourself "does my project idea fit within the aims". In this
case I think tools to improve data ("the project") would be one solution to
the "keep them motivated [...] to improve [...] OpenStreetMap data" in
Brian's first point. To use the earlier phrase Get, Train, Retain (or
Obtain, Train, Retain if you prefer :-) ) then this would be part of the
Retain strategy. Shout out if you disagree and I may be incorrectly
interpreting.

Your other point on data users is a good one. I'll let others weigh in with
their views but I was also thinking that "facilitate the [...} contribution
of data [...] to OSM" is needed. This is the "promote the release of
OpenData" but put in a way that also covers other data sets. I like your
wording here.

Best,
*Rob*
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[Talk-GB] UKOSM or OSMUK or OSMGB proposed aims

[Brian Prangle]

Hi everyone

I've tried to summarise what we discussed on our initial concall and what
Rob's survey revealed into a high-level and short set of aims. It's an
initial draft  and open for comment before our next concall (TBA before end
of Jan). I've included for comparison the aims from those countries that
have established  a local national "chapter". I'm afraid the translation
software I used just couldn't do justice to Japanese!

Proposed aims for UKOSM:


The aims of (eventual name) are:

To increase the number of data contributors;develop their skills and keep
their motivation so that new contributors become active mappers to improve
and maintain OpenStreetMap data in the UK.

To provide a national point of contact for UK organisations wishing to use
OSM data or contribute data to OSM.

To engage in  activities and provide  services that are consistent with
achieving these aims.



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people, companies and organisations in all language regions of Switzerland
that collect, use, process and distribute open and free geo-data. Such
activities can be of non-commercial as well as commercial nature.

The association has no commercial purpose

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fostering awareness, ensuring broad availability of data, continuous
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