Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

[Michael Collinson]

My thoughts also.

The description tag is very underused , IMHO. Specialist tags are 
undoubtedly extremely useful, they are precise, (should be) unambiguous 
and machine-read-friendly, but they do need to gain traction to be 
useful and are unfriendly when trying to convey fuzzy information, as 
seems to be the case here. And of course both can be used together when 
doing something new.


Mike

On 2019-06-05 01:35, Warin wrote:
Rather than enter text into a value where a number is expected .. why 
not use the description tag?

Description=For supervised younger children.
Description=For unsupervised older children.

??

On 05/06/19 03:51, SK53 wrote:
It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight & 
maxheight as possible values. Certainly in ski resorts it is not 
uncommon to see minimum heights for certain chair lifts (typically 
1.25m) and I think I've seen similar on amusement park rides. Height 
is more likely to be a determining factor, even if not explicitly signed.


Jerry

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 18:34, Philip Barnes > wrote:


On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older"
one? (Is
> > that
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
>
> Thanks Rory.
>
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it
ok to
> enter text?
>
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
>
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
>
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
>
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older
than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to
assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for
themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly
be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)





___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

[Warin]

Rather than enter text into a value where a number is expected .. why 
not use the description tag?

Description=For supervised younger children.
Description=For unsupervised older children.

??

On 05/06/19 03:51, SK53 wrote:
It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight & 
maxheight as possible values. Certainly in ski resorts it is not 
uncommon to see minimum heights for certain chair lifts (typically 
1.25m) and I think I've seen similar on amusement park rides. Height 
is more likely to be a determining factor, even if not explicitly signed.


Jerry

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 18:34, Philip Barnes > wrote:


On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > that
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
>
> Thanks Rory.
>
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it
ok to
> enter text?
>
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
>
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
>
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
>
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to
assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)




___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

[SK53]

It might be germane to this discussion to consider minheight & maxheight as
possible values. Certainly in ski resorts it is not uncommon to see minimum
heights for certain chair lifts (typically 1.25m) and I think I've seen
similar on amusement park rides. Height is more likely to be a determining
factor, even if not explicitly signed.

Jerry

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 18:34, Philip Barnes  wrote:

> On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a
> > > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > > that
> > > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > > nothing?
> >
> > Thanks Rory.
> >
> > I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to
> > enter text?
> >
> > Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
> >
> > Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> > the
> > same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
> >
> > For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of
> > course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
> >
> The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
> remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
> toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
> one. It will be something between 8 and 12.
>
> The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to assume
> one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
> with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
> huge crossover.
>
> Phil (trigpoint)
>
>
> ___
> Talk-GB mailing list
> Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
>
___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

[Philip Barnes]

On Tue, 2019-06-04 at 16:49 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote:
> > What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a 
> > toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is
> > that 
> > the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than
> > nothing?
> 
> Thanks Rory.
> 
> I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to 
> enter text?
> 
> Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?
> 
> Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean
> the 
> same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?
> 
> For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of 
> course there are also infant schools for toddlers.
> 
The playgrounds around here have a specific age on the signs, can't
remember off the top of my head what it is, but it is a lot older than
toddlers. If it stops raining I will go and have a look at the local
one. It will be something between 8 and 12.

The other area has no age limits and it would be wrong for us to assume
one, each child is different and they will work out for themselves (or
with parental guidance) when they are ready. There will certainly be a
huge crossover.

Phil (trigpoint)


___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

Re: [Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

[Martin Wynne]

What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a 
toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is that 
the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than nothing?


Thanks Rory.

I wondered about that. If a tag expects a numeric value, is it ok to 
enter text?


Or should I invent a new tag, such as maybe age_range=toddler?

Is "toddler" too UK-specific? Does everyone understand it to mean the 
same thing? Is "infant" younger or older than "toddler"?


For the older children, I wondered about "school-age", although of 
course there are also infant schools for toddlers.


cheers,

Martin.



___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb

[Talk-GB] max_age=toddler? | Re: Playground age limits

[Rory McCann]

On 04/06/2019 16:21, Martin Wynne wrote:

In the local park there are two areas of play equipment for children.

One is fenced off and clearly intended for infants/toddlers accompanied 
by parents.


Next to it there is a larger unfenced area containing play equipment for 
unsupervised older children, large climbing structures, zip wires, etc.


leisure=playground allows min_age and max_age in years, but in this case 
there are no signs giving specific age restrictions.


How best to map the distinction between the two areas?

Martin.


What about `max_age=toddler`? (i.e. the oldest you can be is "a 
toddler"), likewise `min_age=young_child` for the "older" one? (Is that 
the best term?) Yes it's not a numeric age, but it's better than nothing?


You could try to micromap the individual pieces of equipment, which 
might allow data consumers to deduce what's what, but I doubt this is 
practical.


You can map if equipment can be used by kids with various degrees of 
disabilities (`wheelchair`, `sitting_disability`, `walking_disability` 
etc), which is just so nice. Please go out of your way to help them.


Obviously, put a `note` on the playgrounds explaining this.


___
Talk-GB mailing list
Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb