Re: [Talk-GB] oxford uni is not using OSM anymore

2007-12-13 Thread Matthew Westcott
On 13 Dec 2007, at 10:47, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

 [quoting OUCS]
 The reason (I understand) they removed OSM for maps of where colleges
 are is that the data was wrong - the database of the lat/long or
 postcode or whatever for each college was not right. Where that data
 came from I have no idea.

By way of filling in the gaps, I should clarify that this particular  
data wasn't sourced from OSM - this was supplied by Oxford either as  
lat/long coordinates where available, or postcodes otherwise (which  
were then converted to lat/long via NPEMap). One would assume that  
the postcode-based data was the source of the inaccuracy that they  
had issues with.

Clearly, it wouldn't have been an enormous task to improve this with  
the aid of either OSM or OXPOINTS data, but given that OUCS had a  
working solution based on Google Maps ready to roll, this was the  
path of least resistance (and cost) that they ultimately went for.

Hopefully that clears up any outstanding questions, although  
obviously don't treat what I say as a substitute for an official  
statement from the Public Affairs directorate at Oxford...

Cheers,
- Matthew

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Re: [Talk-GB] oxford uni is not using OSM anymore

2007-12-12 Thread Nick Black
Is there someone from Oxford University who can shed some light on the
real reason for the decision to/not to use OSM?  I've tried to get in
touch via the website, but got directed to an external company who
haven't replied.


On Dec 12, 2007 11:49 AM, Artem Pavlenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 12 Dec 2007, at 10:48, Matthew Westcott wrote:

  On 11 Dec 2007, at 18:14, Artem Pavlenko wrote:
 
  Hello,
 
  It looks like Oxford university dropped OSM in favor of Google Maps.
  I wonder why?
  Has anyone got any insights?
 
  Hi,
  I've not been involved in the OU website myself, but I know a few
  people who are...

 Hi Matthew,
 
  Apparently it was mostly down to organisational reasons - we
  reluctantly changed it on their behalf, as two members of OUCS staff
  had invested time in the OXPOINTS project and wanted to put it to
  use: http://www.oucs.ox.ac.uk/oxpoints/

 Understand. Still, OSM has more up-to-date mapping of Oxford and
 university (buildings,walks).
 Could having an optional OSM layer on Google Maps interface be a
 solution?  It's trivial to implement and I'm happy to help;)
 For an example see: http://media.mapnik.org/oxford-osm.html.

  As a secondary reason, there were reports that OSM felt slower than
  Google - whatever that might mean.

 I'm not sure either. Could be OpenLayers vs GMap JavaScript.

 
  - Matthew
  (developer at Torchbox and part-time Charlbury Code Ninja)

 Artem
 (who thinks OUCS should use OSM)


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Re: [Talk-GB] oxford uni is not using OSM anymore

2007-12-12 Thread Dominic Hargreaves
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 12:18:30PM +, Nick Black wrote:
 Is there someone from Oxford University who can shed some light on the
 real reason for the decision to/not to use OSM?  I've tried to get in
 touch via the website, but got directed to an external company who
 haven't replied.

I've forwarded your question onto the team here in OUCS responsible for
OXPOINTS (who also have some advisory role in the Oxford website, though
don't get to make decisions) to see if they can shed any extra light.

Cheers,

Dominic.

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Re: [Talk-GB] oxford uni is not using OSM anymore

2007-12-12 Thread Artem Pavlenko

On 12 Dec 2007, at 12:48, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

 On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 11:49:25AM +, Artem Pavlenko wrote:

 (who thinks OUCS should use OSM)

 Just to make clear: reponsibility of the www.ox.ac.uk web site rests
 with the University Public Affairs Directorate[1], which is entirely
 separate from OUCS, advised by The University Web Strategy Group[2][3]



 Cheers,

 Dominic.


Thanks for the info, Dom.
Artem


 [1] http://www.ox.ac.uk/public_affairs/index.html
 [2] http://www.ox.ac.uk/web/index.html
 [3] This is probably more detail than you needed to know - but I  
 felt it
 necessary to point out the basic misunderstanding.

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