Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

On 08/03/2019 10:15, Andy Townsend wrote:
OS Locator is/was a good source of those missing names, as shown in 
"Musical Chairs" here: 


There's also:
http://product.itoworld.com/product/data/osm_analysis/

Although don't be deceived by the 'Last Updated' date - It's not being 
updated. When I contacted ITO to check if they'd had a change of heart & 
were using OS Open Data, I received a reply "no plans to spend any time 
developing OSM Analysis or Ito Map any further"


Would it take much effort to upgrade Musical Chairs to use OS Open Roads?

Cheers
DaveF


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Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

[Brian Prangle]

Hi Andy

Try  OS  Open Roads


On Fri, 8 Mar 2019 at 10:16, Andy Townsend  wrote:

> On 07/03/2019 13:56, Gregory Marler wrote:
> > 1) Can you elaborate on the source(s) of suspected road names?
> > 2) It would helpful if each of us could look at your list in a more
> > localised aspect. Either including county would be more helpful, or at
> > least having latitude and longitude in separate columns makes it
> > easier to use in other tools usually.
> > 3) There's some obvious reasons why some of those aren't in OSM just
> > by looking at the first 5.
> > 3a) One was on a caravan park, so it might not have an official name
> > or even a sign (again I would like to question the source).
> > 3b) A way was about 3 metres to connect one road to another, it's
> > debatable whether it should be named itself but could be fixed without
> > a survey.
> > 3c) There are lots of abbreviated names in your spreadsheet, even
> > "Clos" which I presume is a strange shortening of "Close".
> >
> > A Maproulette challenge might tempt people to copy the names from your
> > spreadsheet (the legality and suitability of that is very unknown!).
> >
> +1 to all of that.  Without knowing the source of these names any
> spreadsheet containing "missing names" is going to be very
> problematical.  If a missing name isn't signed on the ground, then
> what?  If an unsigned name's "correct" (e.g. it's available from OS
> OpenData or another similarly admissible source) I'd typically add it
> and then add "name:signed=no" to indicate that it's not useful for
> giving directions.  In this case we've got a list of names which mostly
> probably won't be signed on the road (caravan parks, buildings, etc.)
>
> OS Locator is/was a good source of those missing names, as shown in
> "Musical Chairs" here:
>
>
> https://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=16=53.19551=-1.38645=B0TT_mode=pseudorandom
>
> but as the OS have been playing "musical chairs" with their open data
> offerings it may be that there isn't a more recent open OS source (that
> example shows some missing new build roads).
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
>
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Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

[Andy Townsend]

On 07/03/2019 13:56, Gregory Marler wrote:

1) Can you elaborate on the source(s) of suspected road names?
2) It would helpful if each of us could look at your list in a more 
localised aspect. Either including county would be more helpful, or at 
least having latitude and longitude in separate columns makes it 
easier to use in other tools usually.
3) There's some obvious reasons why some of those aren't in OSM just 
by looking at the first 5.
3a) One was on a caravan park, so it might not have an official name 
or even a sign (again I would like to question the source).
3b) A way was about 3 metres to connect one road to another, it's 
debatable whether it should be named itself but could be fixed without 
a survey.
3c) There are lots of abbreviated names in your spreadsheet, even 
"Clos" which I presume is a strange shortening of "Close".


A Maproulette challenge might tempt people to copy the names from your 
spreadsheet (the legality and suitability of that is very unknown!).


+1 to all of that.  Without knowing the source of these names any 
spreadsheet containing "missing names" is going to be very 
problematical.  If a missing name isn't signed on the ground, then 
what?  If an unsigned name's "correct" (e.g. it's available from OS 
OpenData or another similarly admissible source) I'd typically add it 
and then add "name:signed=no" to indicate that it's not useful for 
giving directions.  In this case we've got a list of names which mostly 
probably won't be signed on the road (caravan parks, buildings, etc.)


OS Locator is/was a good source of those missing names, as shown in 
"Musical Chairs" here:


https://ris.dev.openstreetmap.org/oslmusicalchairs/map?zoom=16=53.19551=-1.38645=B0TT_mode=pseudorandom

but as the OS have been playing "musical chairs" with their open data 
offerings it may be that there isn't a more recent open OS source (that 
example shows some missing new build roads).


Best Regards,

Andy



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Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

[Andrew Hain]

Some roads tagged service look like reasonable candidates:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/346182691
[https://www.openstreetmap.org/assets/osm_logo_256-cde84d7490f0863c7a0b0d0a420834ebd467c1214318167d0f9a39f25a44d6bd.png]<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/346182691>

Way: 346182691 | OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/346182691>
OpenStreetMap is a map of the world, created by people like you and free to use 
under an open license.
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From: Jez Nicholson 
Sent: 07 March 2019 14:19
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

I'm also wondering whether you should exclude Service Roads as it indicates an 
access road with no name, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/225081816

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 2:10 PM Jez Nicholson 
mailto:jez.nichol...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I randomly found 2 good examples: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/634592359 
and https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/478481882 which are both new housing 
estateswhich would fit why a road with a lot of houses is unnamed. They may 
have been mapped prior to them receiving official road names.

The case that Greg already noted, mobile home parks, e.g. 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/230945815 may have road names but are 
sometimes private property and not accessible to mappers.

Perhaps there is extra processing that could classify them?

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:57 PM Gregory Marler 
mailto:i...@nomoregrapes.com>> wrote:
Hi Oisin,

I've taken a very quick look at this spreadsheet (oops, getting distracted from 
work).

1) Can you elaborate on the source(s) of suspected road names?
2) It would helpful if each of us could look at your list in a more localised 
aspect. Either including county would be more helpful, or at least having 
latitude and longitude in separate columns makes it easier to use in other 
tools usually.
3) There's some obvious reasons why some of those aren't in OSM just by looking 
at the first 5.
3a) One was on a caravan park, so it might not have an official name or even a 
sign (again I would like to question the source).
3b) A way was about 3 metres to connect one road to another, it's debatable 
whether it should be named itself but could be fixed without a survey.
3c) There are lots of abbreviated names in your spreadsheet, even "Clos" which 
I presume is a strange shortening of "Close".

A Maproulette challenge might tempt people to copy the names from your 
spreadsheet (the legality and suitability of that is very unknown!).

All the best from Chester-le-Street,
Gregory.


On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 13:38, Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc) via Talk-GB 
mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>> wrote:
Hello again,

Wondering if there was any discussion on the previously submitted question, 
which is inline below? Happy to elaborate anyway I can where there is any 
ambiguity 

Thanks,
Oisin


From: Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc)
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 12:47 PM
To: talk-gb@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-gb@openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Road name contradictions in the UK


Hi Everyone,



Our Open Maps team 
(https://github.com/microsoft/open-maps<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmicrosoft%2Fopen-maps=02%7C01%7Cv-oiher%40microsoft.com%7C5f43e39d0d63417ee38408d68d2e9a4b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636851628660533805=fQkRtSQ0jQaJ7s7fWg23NervMF7yX3SGJxEwANMTOIM%3D=0>)
 has been continuing to work on analyzing OSM in the UK.  Some of you may have 
seen my session in Milan where we talked about Microsoft’s ongoing OSM work in 
Australia.



We’ve created a list of the top 1500 streets in the UK that appear to be 
missing names along with the name that we suspect should be there. We are not 
100% certain if our suspicious are correct and, not being local to these areas 
we are not remotely trying to fill these in. If there are folks that know these 
areas we could use your help closing these gaps.



The complete list is available here:

https://1drv.ms/x/s!As04HHdPPfhgg4lYigS4IiWjp2JJiw<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2F1drv.ms%2Fx%2Fs!As04HHdPPfhgg4lYigS4IiWjp2JJiw=02%7C01%7Cv-oiher%40microsoft.com%7C5f43e39d0d63417ee38408d68d2e9a4b%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636851628660543799=mHI1fOL4xJFNZTL%2BRcpoVlsg5hFQHJSJUEwCaXjHmtY%3D=0>



These are not major roads but they are associated with a large number of 
residential addresses so end up having a big impact.  We may also create a 
Maproulette challenge for these as well if that is preferable?



Thanks,

Oisin

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/herriotto





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Re: [Talk-GB] Fw: Road name contradictions in the UK

[Jez Nicholson]

I randomly found 2 good examples:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/634592359 and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/478481882 which are both new housing
estateswhich would fit why a road with a lot of houses is unnamed. They
may have been mapped prior to them receiving official road names.

The case that Greg already noted, mobile home parks, e.g.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/230945815 may have road names but are
sometimes private property and not accessible to mappers.

Perhaps there is extra processing that could classify them?

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:57 PM Gregory Marler  wrote:

> Hi Oisin,
>
> I've taken a very quick look at this spreadsheet (oops, getting distracted
> from work).
>
> 1) Can you elaborate on the source(s) of suspected road names?
> 2) It would helpful if each of us could look at your list in a more
> localised aspect. Either including county would be more helpful, or at
> least having latitude and longitude in separate columns makes it easier to
> use in other tools usually.
> 3) There's some obvious reasons why some of those aren't in OSM just by
> looking at the first 5.
> 3a) One was on a caravan park, so it might not have an official name or
> even a sign (again I would like to question the source).
> 3b) A way was about 3 metres to connect one road to another, it's
> debatable whether it should be named itself but could be fixed without a
> survey.
> 3c) There are lots of abbreviated names in your spreadsheet, even "Clos"
> which I presume is a strange shortening of "Close".
>
> A Maproulette challenge might tempt people to copy the names from your
> spreadsheet (the legality and suitability of that is very unknown!).
>
> All the best from Chester-le-Street,
> Gregory.
>
>
> On Thu, 7 Mar 2019 at 13:38, Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc) via
> Talk-GB  wrote:
>
>> Hello again,
>>
>> Wondering if there was any discussion on the previously submitted
>> question, which is inline below? Happy to elaborate anyway I can where
>> there is any ambiguity 
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Oisin
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Oisin Herriott (Insight Global Inc)
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 22, 2019 12:47 PM
>> *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org
>> *Subject:* Road name contradictions in the UK
>>
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>>
>>
>> Our Open Maps team (https://github.com/microsoft/open-maps
>> )
>> has been continuing to work on analyzing OSM in the UK.  Some of you may
>> have seen my session in Milan where we talked about Microsoft’s
>> ongoing OSM work in Australia.
>>
>>
>>
>> We’ve created a list of the top 1500 streets in the UK that appear to be
>> missing names along with the name that we *suspect* should be there. We
>> are not 100% certain if our suspicious are correct and, not being local to
>> these areas we are not remotely trying to fill these in. If there are folks
>> that know these areas we could use your help closing these gaps.
>>
>>
>>
>> The complete list is available here:
>>
>> https://1drv.ms/x/s!As04HHdPPfhgg4lYigS4IiWjp2JJiw
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> These are not major roads but they are associated with a large number of
>> residential addresses so end up having a big impact.  We may also create
>> a Maproulette challenge for these as well if that is preferable?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Oisin
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/herriotto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Windows 10
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