Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
Now that I know the name for them you'll soon see that usage spread out across the rest of West Yorkshire :) This is one of them, hiding in Leeds: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/6412833214 Regards, *Paul* On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 18:10, Mark Goodge wrote: > > > On 27/04/2019 18:02, I wrote: > > > > > > On 27/04/2019 17:52, Andy Townsend wrote: > >> > >> On 27/04/2019 17:50, Philip Barnes wrote: > >>> > >>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_details > >>> > >> 4000 of those: > >> > >> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stile#values > >> > >> However also from that page I'm now wondering what "stile=hipster" (!) > >> is? > > > > You can only go through it if you have a beard! > Serious answer... generating a map of them via the Overpass Turbo link > shows that all the instances of them are in an area around Keighley. > And, looking at them on Google street view, they appear to be squeeze > stiles. For example: > > https://goo.gl/maps/v8P8SrBYHu8BWMzZA > https://goo.gl/maps/1h5zqHLpQDu4jUnb6 > > So I'd hazard a guess that it's a local name for them in that neck of > the woods. > > Mark > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb > ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On 27/04/2019 18:10, Martin Wynne wrote:
barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile
symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any.
I'd use a "step_count" tag for how many steps there are ("steps" has
also been used, often by me, but is probably less appropriate). See:
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org.uk/keys/stile#combinations
I'd be more than happy to add a different sorts of stile icons to
map.atownsend.org.uk . It'd just need 3 new icons for each new style of
stile at
https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/openstreetmap-carto-AJT/tree/master/symbols
and some way of telling them apart at
https://github.com/SomeoneElseOSM/SomeoneElse-style/blob/master/style.lua#L3070
. All contributions gratefully received!
Best Regards,
Andy
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Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
Sorry, but, to me at least, a "chicane" involves a (double) bend. See: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chicane " NOUN1. A sharp double bend created to form an obstacle on a motor-racing track or a road." and these seem to involve a narrow "sqeeze", not a double bend. Peter On Saturday, 27 April 2019, 18:12:54 BST, Martin Wynne wrote: barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any. barrier=chicane would perhaps be more descriptive? Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 18:10 +0100, Martin Wynne wrote: > barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile > symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any. > > barrier=chicane would perhaps be more descriptive? barrier=chicane will already be in use, probably as a type of cycle barrier. Phil (trigpoint) > > Martin. > > ___ > Talk-GB mailing list > Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
barrier=stile seems unhelpful to me if rendered as a normal stile symbol, for walkers needing to know if they will have to climb any. barrier=chicane would perhaps be more descriptive? Martin. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
Running Overpass Turbo, it seems that they are concentrated in a small area, so probably "hipster" is a local term. Looking at a well-known global Aerial Imagery source, with links to Street level photography, shows at least 2 of them (adjacent to roads) to be narrow gaps in stone walls, so a version of "squeeze". Regards, Peter On Saturday, 27 April 2019, 17:54:03 BST, Andy Townsend wrote: On 27/04/2019 17:50, Philip Barnes wrote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_details > 4000 of those: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stile#values However also from that page I'm now wondering what "stile=hipster" (!) is? Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On 27/04/2019 18:02, I wrote: On 27/04/2019 17:52, Andy Townsend wrote: On 27/04/2019 17:50, Philip Barnes wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_details 4000 of those: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stile#values However also from that page I'm now wondering what "stile=hipster" (!) is? You can only go through it if you have a beard! Serious answer... generating a map of them via the Overpass Turbo link shows that all the instances of them are in an area around Keighley. And, looking at them on Google street view, they appear to be squeeze stiles. For example: https://goo.gl/maps/v8P8SrBYHu8BWMzZA https://goo.gl/maps/1h5zqHLpQDu4jUnb6 So I'd hazard a guess that it's a local name for them in that neck of the woods. Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On 27/04/2019 17:52, Andy Townsend wrote: On 27/04/2019 17:50, Philip Barnes wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_details 4000 of those: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stile#values However also from that page I'm now wondering what "stile=hipster" (!) is? You can only go through it if you have a beard! Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On 27/04/2019 17:50, Philip Barnes wrote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_details 4000 of those: https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/stile#values However also from that page I'm now wondering what "stile=hipster" (!) is? Best Regards, Andy ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On 27/04/2019 17:46, Chris Hill wrote: I've always known them as squeeze stiles. Indeed. The term "stile" doesn't have to imply steps, although that is the most common form. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stile Mark ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
On Sat, 2019-04-27 at 17:18 +0100, Michael Collinson wrote: > ced close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to > leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through That is a squeeze stile, stile=squeezer. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dstile#Stile_details HTH Phil (trigpoint) ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
Hi Mike, I call them fat man's agony and consider them to be a type of stile. See https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_fat_man%27s_agony_-_geograph.org.uk_-_945142.jpg Mike B. -Original Message- Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 17:18:46 +0100 From: Michael Collinson To: OSM talk-gb Subject: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed What do you call the type of wall crossing the that consists of two stone pillars placed close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through but not cattle or fully-grown sheep? Has anyone one got a barrier= tag for them? Just got back from Middlesmoor in Nidderdale where there are ton of them. They are typically not raised, so not a stile, and typically no gate, just a gap. Mike -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- End of Talk-GB Digest, Vol 151, Issue 25 ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
I think they are generally called a 'squeeze stile'. JOSM suggests barrier=stile;stile=squeezer Roger On 27/04/2019 17:18, Michael Collinson wrote: What do you call the type of wall crossing the that consists of two stone pillars placed close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through but not cattle or fully-grown sheep? Has anyone one got a barrier= tag for them? Just got back from Middlesmoor in Nidderdale where there are ton of them. They are typically not raised, so not a stile, and typically no gate, just a gap. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- Roger Calvert ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] How would tag or name this wall crossing?
I've always known them as squeeze stiles. -- cheers Chris Hill (chillly) On 27/04/2019 17:18, Michael Collinson wrote: What do you call the type of wall crossing the that consists of two stone pillars placed close to each other (usually in a drystone wall) to leave a gap wide enough for humans and sheep dogs to squeeze through but not cattle or fully-grown sheep? Has anyone one got a barrier= tag for them? Just got back from Middlesmoor in Nidderdale where there are ton of them. They are typically not raised, so not a stile, and typically no gate, just a gap. Mike ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
