Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
Just my pennysworth, any commercial company company can take this data and sell it on, use it for their own commercial purposes etc. I have two limited companies and can personally attest to the fact that anything on the CH public register does get used for all sorts of nefarious uses. I don't think us using it to improve our postcode data for a free community map is anything we should worry about. Jonathan On 31/08/2012 17:59, Andy Robinson wrote: Not everyone considers a licence of any sort a requirement. It's just us that expects one or argues otherwise it might be public domain. I recall when I first came to OSM not understanding why a licence was required at all (because I'm used to contracts where the terms are explicit and OSM does not form contract. Little did I know about software!) What Companies House does make clear is that although data in the register may likely be subject to third party copyright (where the information has been provided to them and not generated by them and thus Crown Copyright) Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. That's a pretty clear statement about data in the public register. For everything else that they produce Crown Copyright applies but again provided the normal restrictions regarding Crown Copyright are adhered to then regarding reuse it again states It places no restriction on how the information is used after purchase other than the following which only raises the question to me about data that is not sold but supplied free of charge. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mailto:m...@milliams.com] Sent: 31 August 2012 17:00 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source On 31 August 2012 16:50, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: I think that translates to Public Domain Dedication and License (PDDL) then? Probably, but I wouldn't feel comfortable using the data without an explicit set of license terms. Unless they have done and I just don't understand their terminology. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
On 31 August 2012 12:26, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: The other problem with the Companies House data is that there is no clear statement of the licence other than free. Come on CH please be more specific! Indeed. It looks like it could be another quite useful source of postcode and address data but we need to know the license. Does anyone know who is best to ask? Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
Hi all The reply I have from Companies House about the license and re-use below. I have said we take the key clause to be Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. but that it lacks clarity and - should be posted on the download or FAQ page - should be under the Open Government License for database rights. The snapshot is not provided under any license (you asked if it was provided under the Open Government License). This is explained on our website (see http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/ifts.shtml ) b) Material on the public register With the exception of a small category of material which is exempt from statutory disclosure requirements, the Registrar is required by law to make the information comprised in documents sent to him available for public inspection. Information on the public register is made available by virtue of approvals issued by the Registrar in accordance with section 47 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 and Schedule 1 of the Database Regulations (SI 1997/3032). Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. Andrew On 31 Aug 2012, at 15:06, Matt Williams wrote: On 31 August 2012 12:26, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: The other problem with the Companies House data is that there is no clear statement of the licence other than free. Come on CH please be more specific! Indeed. It looks like it could be another quite useful source of postcode and address data but we need to know the license. Does anyone know who is best to ask? Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
I think that translates to Public Domain Dedication and License (PDDL) then? On 31 August 2012 16:38, Andrew Mackenzie a.macken...@bethere.co.uk wrote: Hi all The reply I have from Companies House about the license and re-use below. I have said we take the key clause to be Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. but that it lacks clarity and - should be posted on the download or FAQ page - should be under the Open Government License for database rights. The snapshot is not provided under any license (you asked if it was provided under the Open Government License). This is explained on our website (see http://www.companieshouse.gov.uk/about/ifts.shtml ) b) Material on the public register With the exception of a small category of material which is exempt from statutory disclosure requirements, the Registrar is required by law to make the information comprised in documents sent to him available for public inspection. Information on the public register is made available by virtue of approvals issued by the Registrar in accordance with section 47 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 and Schedule 1 of the Database Regulations (SI 1997/3032). Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. Andrew On 31 Aug 2012, at 15:06, Matt Williams wrote: On 31 August 2012 12:26, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: The other problem with the Companies House data is that there is no clear statement of the licence other than free. Come on CH please be more specific! Indeed. It looks like it could be another quite useful source of postcode and address data but we need to know the license. Does anyone know who is best to ask? Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
On 31 August 2012 16:50, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: I think that translates to Public Domain Dedication and License (PDDL) then? Probably, but I wouldn't feel comfortable using the data without an explicit set of license terms. Unless they have done and I just don't understand their terminology. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
Not everyone considers a licence of any sort a requirement. It's just us that expects one or argues otherwise it might be public domain. I recall when I first came to OSM not understanding why a licence was required at all (because I'm used to contracts where the terms are explicit and OSM does not form contract. Little did I know about software!) What Companies House does make clear is that although data in the register may likely be subject to third party copyright (where the information has been provided to them and not generated by them and thus Crown Copyright) Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. That's a pretty clear statement about data in the public register. For everything else that they produce Crown Copyright applies but again provided the normal restrictions regarding Crown Copyright are adhered to then regarding reuse it again states It places no restriction on how the information is used after purchase other than the following which only raises the question to me about data that is not sold but supplied free of charge. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mailto:m...@milliams.com] Sent: 31 August 2012 17:00 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source On 31 August 2012 16:50, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: I think that translates to Public Domain Dedication and License (PDDL) then? Probably, but I wouldn't feel comfortable using the data without an explicit set of license terms. Unless they have done and I just don't understand their terminology. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
