Re: [OSM-talk-ie] North Dock area of Dublin

[Alan Bell]

> what would you consider the modern 'North Dock' to be?
have to admit I am not a local, I just admin a system that sends delivery
vehicles there. My best guess is that it is the superset of the three
electoral districts, but I will see if I can ask the opinion of the drivers.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Wanted OSM shapefile of Ireland and province outlines, otherwise blank

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thank you Mark, but that link only gives Republic of Ireland. The Dna study
is for the entire Island of Ireland and Rory has since added a boundary
download for the provinces to the ones that were already on offer. They
have tried it and it is splendid.

(Thanks again Rory)

On 6 December 2016 at 12:40, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> Is https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/ of any help to you ?
>
> regards
>
> m
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Brian Hollinshead
>  wrote:
> > The Genealogical Society of Ireland are collaborating with the Royal
> > College of Surgeons in Ireland on local greatgrandparent DNA
> comparisions.
> >
> > They have been using OSM with leaflet layers showing the centroids, areas
> > covered by each group of eight greatgrandparents and and their individual
> > locations beside an interactive list of participants. (which my son and I
> > did for them as they had some difficulties using Google)
> >
> > I have now been asked if I can provide them with an OSM shapefile of all
> > Ireland with provincial boundaries but no other detail. They needed one
> for
> > a poster for display at a conference in the Conway Institute in UCD this
> > week and settled for just an Ireland outline. Because this study when
> > complete will be published internationally i would like them to be able
> to
> > use OSM for all map images.
> >
> > Please can someone either send me a file or explain to me how I can
> create
> > one for them.
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] North Dock area of Dublin

[Donal Diamond]

North Dock A ED  etc are modern Electoral Districts (ED) which have
formally defined boundaries.

While historically there was a DED (old name for EDs) called 'North Dock',
what would you consider the modern 'North Dock' to be?

If it's another of those vague areas in Dublin like Dublin suburbs with no
defined boundaries, the area you're in depends on whether you ask a snob or
an estate agent.

If its a vague area I wouldn't use an admin area but rather a polygon with
place=suburb  and using the external ways of the North Dock A/B/C EDS.

place=suburb  "A part of a town or city with a well-known name and often a
distinct identity"



D






On 7 December 2016 at 12:31, Alan Bell  wrote:

> Hi, I am having trouble with nominatim geocoding addresses in the North
> Dock area of Dublin
> I think this is because the administrative area is divided into "North
> Dock A ED", B ED and C ED in the following relations
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4283341
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4275228
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4275227
>
> so, when searching for an address such as "Liffey Trust Centre, Sheriff
> Street Upper, North Dock, Dublin" nothing is found but looking for "Liffey
> Trust Centre, Sheriff Street Upper, North Dock B ED, Dublin" works just
> fine. Would it be possible/desirable to put a "North Dock" administrative
> area as the superset of A B and C? or is there some other approach that
> would make geocoding better for people who don't know the address (don't
> think the A/B/C bit is in day to day use)
>
> Alan
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Using CC-BY datasets on data.gov.ie for OSM - Good to go :)

[Donal Diamond]

Thats fantastic - thanks for working on this.

I have a viewer of OS and OSNI boundary data here:

http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/os_opendata.html

D

On 7 December 2016 at 09:05, Rory McCann  wrote:

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> Hi Dave!
>
> Some great work there!
>
> On 07/12/16 03:33, Dave Corley wrote:
> > I've received clarification that while the CC-BY 4.0 license is
> > not suitable for merging with OSM
>
> Not quite. The problem is that CC-BY 4.0 on it's own is vague and may
> or may not be suitable for OSM.
>
> It's the "attribution" requirement. Section 3(a)(1)(A) of the CC-BY
> 4.0 licence[1] covers that and says that you need to attribute them
> "in any reasonable manner requested by the Licensor". So the Licensor
> is allowed pick how you attribute them.
>
> If someone were to say "You have to put my/our name on every map you
> make based on that" that would be a problem for OSM. (a) It's wildly
> impractical because there's be thousands of them on every little map
> and (b) the OSM licence doesn't/can't require that users-of-OSM have
> to do that, so it's not even something "we" can require.
>
> If someone were to say "Yeah, the OSM Contributors wikipage[2] is
> totally fine for the BY requirement!" then we'd be all set for OSM usage!
>
> In a way, just saying "It's CC-BY!" isn't really open data, since it
> leaves some important conditions unset. However most users of CC data
> (e.g. films, art) don't have this problem.
>
> However, I think we're golden, because the data.gov.ie licence page[3]
> says if using data from many people you can link to a page which lists
> the data.gov.ie/etc attribution. OSM has ~1 million contributiors (so
> that's the "multiple sources" covered), and you have to link to the
> OSM copyright page[4] which links to the OSM Contributors page[2].
>
> So according to the data.gov.ie, and OSM licence, we can import
> data.gov.ie CC-BY 4.0 stuff into OSM! \o/
>
> Now if OSM were to change it's licence again, we might be in problem.
> But no-one wants to go through that again. But that hasn't stopped
> anyone before.
>
> So thanks Dave, but looks like it was all OK from the start. Ah
> well, at least they know about us.
>
> > the granting of explicit permission to use CC-BY 4.0 datasets by
> > the relevant owner is allowed.
>
> In theory, this is true of any closed dataset. Anyone can say "100%
> closed copyright, all rights reserved, except OSM, yous can trace".
> Just like the Bing aerial imagery.
>
>
> [1] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/legalcode
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors
> [3] https://data.gov.ie/licence
> [4] https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright
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