[OSM-talk-ie] I have a question about the logainm script, How can it handle a barony that>

[Cormac O Murchú]

I have found literally 100s of missing townlands along the west coast in
recent weeks. These have no logainm:ref field
 
 
>I have a question about the logainm script, How can it handle a barony that

>crosses a county border? For example, Barony of Ross crosses the

>Galway-Mayo border as one relation. This relation has one logainm tag for

>Ross in Mayo (logainm:ref = 172) but there are separate loganim ref numbers

>for Ross in Galway (logainm:ref = 85) on the logainm website. Can we

>somehow add both ref numbers to the Barony relation? something like

>logainm:ref=172;85, or what do you suggest? It seems that the script

>assumes everything is nested inside counties but if baronies/civil parishes

>cross county borders, then they have two logainm ref numbers.

 

It is ONE barony but in 2 counties and with 2 refs in that case. 

 

 

logainm:ref:172

logainm:ref_1:85

 

Note that I have added census1901:ref fields to a lot of EDs as well . This
is a number such as census1901:ref=78 to allow us to find census data as ED
names are not unique and a county can have 2 versions of the same name.
Galway  even has 3 Eds named Ballynakill  

 

I added no census1911:ref fields but these are different again as some new
EDs were created between 1901 and 1911

 

Also note that there are TYPOS and misspellings in OSI Open Data townlands
and Electoral Divisions

 

The OSI data has Movode ED inn Galway which is properly Moyode

Also Gleneganon ED in Donegal which is correctly Glennagannon

 

Don’t assume  OSI data is canonical either 

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Brian Tuffy]

Thanks for the OSM OSI comparison map, this is great for showing up
mistakes in the townland boundaries and I even found a missing townland or
two.
This umap seems pretty cool too. I notice that many townlands without
logainm tags are because of the typos. Fixing those should allow the script
to do its thing. I can see a CP with a typo in it's name and because of
that, none of the townlands in it have logainm tags yet.

I have a question about the logainm script, How can it handle a barony that
crosses a county border? For example, Barony of Ross crosses the
Galway-Mayo border as one relation. This relation has one logainm tag for
Ross in Mayo (logainm:ref = 172) but there are separate loganim ref numbers
for Ross in Galway (logainm:ref = 85) on the logainm website. Can we
somehow add both ref numbers to the Barony relation? something like
logainm:ref=172;85, or what do you suggest? It seems that the script
assumes everything is nested inside counties but if baronies/civil parishes
cross county borders, then they have two logainm ref numbers.

https://www.logainm.ie/en/85   Galway
https://www.logainm.ie/en/172 Mayo
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4128697




On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Mark Tully  wrote:

> I believe it doesn't work over https because overpass.openstreetmap.ie
> (which is being used for the querying) doesn't support https, though I'm
> open to correction on that.  The overpass-api.de server does support it,
> but I've found it to be a little slower for this map.
>
> Mark
>
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 at 15:55 Rory McCann  wrote:
>
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> > On 16/02/17 16:40, Mark Tully wrote:
> > > There is also a umap at
> > > http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/townlands-missing-logainm-data_838
> > 33
> > >
> > >
> > which displays townlands without a logainm:ref tag.  This might be usefu
> > l
> > > in helping to locate townlands with typos.  Bear in mind that it
> > > only displays data above zoom 11 (to try to reduce browser
> > > slowdowns).
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> > That's pretty cool! I've done overpass queries to find CPs/etc which
> > don't have a logainm:ref, but not umap like that.
> >
> > Yes you can add/change the name tag on OSM, but if you manage to find
> > the townland on logainm, you can directly add the logainm:ref tag
> > yourself.
> >
> > The loganm match up code looks at counties, then baronies, then civil
> > parishes, then townlands. So if it cannot match up a CP in OSM with
> > Logainm, it's not able to match up any of those townlands in the CP.
> > It's look at the name, but if there's a logainm:ref, it'll use that
> > instead.
> >
> > If you add logainm:ref tags to civil parishes, then it might be able
> > to add logainm details to more townlands.
> >
> > (BTW it doesn't work over https, and if you have the HTTPS Everywhere
> > extension like I do :) )
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Mark Tully]

I believe it doesn't work over https because overpass.openstreetmap.ie
(which is being used for the querying) doesn't support https, though I'm
open to correction on that.  The overpass-api.de server does support it,
but I've found it to be a little slower for this map.

Mark

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 at 15:55 Rory McCann  wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On 16/02/17 16:40, Mark Tully wrote:
> > There is also a umap at
> > http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/townlands-missing-logainm-data_838
> 33
> >
> >
> which displays townlands without a logainm:ref tag.  This might be usefu
> l
> > in helping to locate townlands with typos.  Bear in mind that it
> > only displays data above zoom 11 (to try to reduce browser
> > slowdowns).
> >
> > Mark
>
> That's pretty cool! I've done overpass queries to find CPs/etc which
> don't have a logainm:ref, but not umap like that.
>
> Yes you can add/change the name tag on OSM, but if you manage to find
> the townland on logainm, you can directly add the logainm:ref tag
> yourself.
>
> The loganm match up code looks at counties, then baronies, then civil
> parishes, then townlands. So if it cannot match up a CP in OSM with
> Logainm, it's not able to match up any of those townlands in the CP.
> It's look at the name, but if there's a logainm:ref, it'll use that
> instead.
>
> If you add logainm:ref tags to civil parishes, then it might be able
> to add logainm details to more townlands.
>
> (BTW it doesn't work over https, and if you have the HTTPS Everywhere
> extension like I do :) )
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Rory McCann]

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On 16/02/17 16:40, Mark Tully wrote:
> There is also a umap at 
> http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/townlands-missing-logainm-data_838
33
>
> 
which displays townlands without a logainm:ref tag.  This might be usefu
l
> in helping to locate townlands with typos.  Bear in mind that it
> only displays data above zoom 11 (to try to reduce browser
> slowdowns).
> 
> Mark

That's pretty cool! I've done overpass queries to find CPs/etc which
don't have a logainm:ref, but not umap like that.

Yes you can add/change the name tag on OSM, but if you manage to find
the townland on logainm, you can directly add the logainm:ref tag
yourself.

The loganm match up code looks at counties, then baronies, then civil
parishes, then townlands. So if it cannot match up a CP in OSM with
Logainm, it's not able to match up any of those townlands in the CP.
It's look at the name, but if there's a logainm:ref, it'll use that
instead.

If you add logainm:ref tags to civil parishes, then it might be able
to add logainm details to more townlands.

(BTW it doesn't work over https, and if you have the HTTPS Everywhere
extension like I do :) )
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Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux)

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Mark Tully]

There is also a umap at
http://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/townlands-missing-logainm-data_83833
which displays townlands without a logainm:ref tag.  This might be useful
in helping to locate townlands with typos.  Bear in mind that it only
displays data above zoom 11 (to try to reduce browser slowdowns).

Mark

On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 at 10:42 Dave Corley  wrote:

> That sounds like a good idea.
>
> If possible, it would be useful if it would link to the townland relation
> to allow easy editing.
>
> Once that smaller list is compiled its a matter of going through them one
> by one and identifying the correct name whether that be in OSM, OSi,
> Loganim or the map sheet
>
> On 16 Feb 2017 12:37, "Rory McCann"  wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > On 15/02/17 16:36, Brian Tuffy wrote:
> > > just to follow up on my own post, another way to tackle this is to
> take a
> > > look at Rory's Loganim import page on townlands.ie which I highly
> > recommend
> > > you take a look at.
> > > https://www.townlands.ie/static/logainm/
> > >
> > > Each red x on these pages means that the loganim irish names tags are
> not
> > > in OSM for that place.
> > > As far as I know, they were automatically added for the places where
> the
> > > names in Loganim list matched those in OSM (or at least id's matched?).
> > So
> > > a red x can indicate that there is a spelling mismatch or the place is
> > > missing.
> > > It's a good place to start if you want to correct typo's in place
> names.
> >
> >
> > Minor point, that page doesn't look at the name, but at the
> > "logainm:ref" tag. If there's a "logainm:ref" tag, then it gets a green
> > tick, red X means no logainm:ref. That page is updated every morning.
> >
> > The (ongoing) Logainm data match up and import (wiki page[1], script
> > source code[2]), looks at the logainm:ref tag and added the name:ga tags
> > from logainm if needed. That script will also look at the name (or
> > name:en) tag and try to match it up to what's in logainm and set the
> > logainm:ref tag as appropriate. If there is a typo in the name (or OSM
> > and Logainm disagree about the name), then it won't be able to set the
> > logainm:ref tag, and hence there'll be a red X there.
> >
> > I'm going to run that script again this weekend at the Karlsruhe Hack
> > Weekend. Perhaps I will look at that OSi open data and try to find
> > places where OSM & OSi (and maybe Logainm!) disagree. We have ~60,000
> > townlands, maybe filtering that list down to smaller list of "possible
> > problems" will be easier.
> >
> >
> > [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logainm_Import
> > [2] https://github.com/osmie/logainm-osm-import
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Dave Corley]

That sounds like a good idea.

If possible, it would be useful if it would link to the townland relation
to allow easy editing.

Once that smaller list is compiled its a matter of going through them one
by one and identifying the correct name whether that be in OSM, OSi,
Loganim or the map sheet

On 16 Feb 2017 12:37, "Rory McCann"  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> On 15/02/17 16:36, Brian Tuffy wrote:
> > just to follow up on my own post, another way to tackle this is to take a
> > look at Rory's Loganim import page on townlands.ie which I highly
> recommend
> > you take a look at.
> > https://www.townlands.ie/static/logainm/
> >
> > Each red x on these pages means that the loganim irish names tags are not
> > in OSM for that place.
> > As far as I know, they were automatically added for the places where the
> > names in Loganim list matched those in OSM (or at least id's matched?).
> So
> > a red x can indicate that there is a spelling mismatch or the place is
> > missing.
> > It's a good place to start if you want to correct typo's in place names.
>
>
> Minor point, that page doesn't look at the name, but at the
> "logainm:ref" tag. If there's a "logainm:ref" tag, then it gets a green
> tick, red X means no logainm:ref. That page is updated every morning.
>
> The (ongoing) Logainm data match up and import (wiki page[1], script
> source code[2]), looks at the logainm:ref tag and added the name:ga tags
> from logainm if needed. That script will also look at the name (or
> name:en) tag and try to match it up to what's in logainm and set the
> logainm:ref tag as appropriate. If there is a typo in the name (or OSM
> and Logainm disagree about the name), then it won't be able to set the
> logainm:ref tag, and hence there'll be a red X there.
>
> I'm going to run that script again this weekend at the Karlsruhe Hack
> Weekend. Perhaps I will look at that OSi open data and try to find
> places where OSM & OSi (and maybe Logainm!) disagree. We have ~60,000
> townlands, maybe filtering that list down to smaller list of "possible
> problems" will be easier.
>
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logainm_Import
> [2] https://github.com/osmie/logainm-osm-import
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Typos in Townland names

[Rory McCann]

Hi!

On 15/02/17 16:36, Brian Tuffy wrote:
> just to follow up on my own post, another way to tackle this is to take a
> look at Rory's Loganim import page on townlands.ie which I highly recommend
> you take a look at.
> https://www.townlands.ie/static/logainm/
> 
> Each red x on these pages means that the loganim irish names tags are not
> in OSM for that place.
> As far as I know, they were automatically added for the places where the
> names in Loganim list matched those in OSM (or at least id's matched?). So
> a red x can indicate that there is a spelling mismatch or the place is
> missing.
> It's a good place to start if you want to correct typo's in place names.


Minor point, that page doesn't look at the name, but at the
"logainm:ref" tag. If there's a "logainm:ref" tag, then it gets a green
tick, red X means no logainm:ref. That page is updated every morning.

The (ongoing) Logainm data match up and import (wiki page[1], script
source code[2]), looks at the logainm:ref tag and added the name:ga tags
from logainm if needed. That script will also look at the name (or
name:en) tag and try to match it up to what's in logainm and set the
logainm:ref tag as appropriate. If there is a typo in the name (or OSM
and Logainm disagree about the name), then it won't be able to set the
logainm:ref tag, and hence there'll be a red X there.

I'm going to run that script again this weekend at the Karlsruhe Hack
Weekend. Perhaps I will look at that OSi open data and try to find
places where OSM & OSi (and maybe Logainm!) disagree. We have ~60,000
townlands, maybe filtering that list down to smaller list of "possible
problems" will be easier.


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Logainm_Import
[2] https://github.com/osmie/logainm-osm-import

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