Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

I apologise for causing so much discussion. When I contemplated using  an
auto edit to change some 686 cases of mistaken tagging from anglican=Church
Of Ireland to anglican=Church of Ireland.

On reading from the links Mateusz sent I see that even for acceptable usage
the following applies
Quote

You should normally document your proposed edit at an English-language wiki
page named "Automated edits/username" (where *username* is the OSM user
name of the account that you will be using to perform the edits - think
about this *now* so that you don't have to rename the page later), and add
it to Category:Automated edits log
.

Your documentation should state:

   - Who is making the change (preferably your real name and how to contact
   you, ideally e-mail address)
   - Your motivation for making the change and why it is important
   - A detailed description of the algorithm you will use to decide which
   objects are changed how
   - Information about any consultation that you have conducted, with links
   to mailing list/forum posts or Wiki discussion pages
   - When the change was made, or how frequently it is going to be repeated
   - Information on how to "opt out"
   - Approved Bots should have a wiki page that with the name of your bot
   as the title. They should also have a user account of the same name with
   clear links between the user account and the wiki page.
   -
   - Unquote
   -
   - I accept this may all be desirable and neccessary but I just
   don't feel like embarking on all these requirements and so have abandoned
   any thoughts of auto edit.

I have instead decided to manually correct my mistakes and have since cured
some 250 of them and will see it through. Thank you..

On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:21, Andy Mabbett 
wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie
>  wrote:
> >
> > For start note
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> > - but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions
>
> It says:
>
> Acceptable usage
>
> Correcting your own work. If you know that you made a systematic
> mistake then you may correct this systematically using an automated
> process. Do however be aware of the risk that your process changes
> data beyond the scope you intended.
>
> For cases such as the one currently under discussion, "Correcting your
> own work" should be changed to, say, "Correcting your own work (or
> that of another individual, at their express request)".
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie]

Sep 20, 2020, 11:20 by a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk:

> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie
>  wrote:
>
>>
>> For start note
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
>> - but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions
>>
>
> It says:
>
>  Acceptable usage
>
>  Correcting your own work. If you know that you made a systematic
>  mistake then you may correct this systematically using an automated
>  process. Do however be aware of the risk that your process changes
>  data beyond the scope you intended.
>
> For cases such as the one currently under discussion, "Correcting your
> own work" should be changed to, say, "Correcting your own work (or
> that of another individual, at their express request)".
>
Changed - see 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct=2036167=1870850

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Andy Mabbett]

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:06, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie
 wrote:
>
> For start note
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> - but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions

It says:

Acceptable usage

Correcting your own work. If you know that you made a systematic
mistake then you may correct this systematically using an automated
process. Do however be aware of the risk that your process changes
data beyond the scope you intended.

For cases such as the one currently under discussion, "Correcting your
own work" should be changed to, say, "Correcting your own work (or
that of another individual, at their express request)".

-- 
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thank you, Mateusz, for the details of the guidelines and the rules
regarding acceptable usage when using auto edits. I fully understand the
needs for these but as so much is involved including the creation and
maintenance of a new wiki page, which is quite outside my experience, I
have decided to edit the tags manually and individually in JOSM having
imported those needing correction in bulk.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 21:07, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie <
talk-ie@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> For start note
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> - but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions
>
> Typical such edit would use Overpass Turbo
> ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo ) to
> find elements for editing and exporting it to either JOSM or level0.
>
> In JOSM one may use usual filter/search/mass edit tools.
>
> In level0 one may copy text description to file and use regular
> search and replace and then copy back and save.
>
> Note that in both cases one needs to follow rules for automated edits and
> be
> careful.
>
> Sep 18, 2020, 17:12 by br...@hollinshead.net:
>
> > During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> > Parishes to OSM.
> > I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead
> of
> > anglican=Church of Ireland.
> >
> > You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> > Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at
> one
> > fell swoop?
> >
> > It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I
> have
> > some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to
> learn
> > this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I
> do!
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Colm Moore]

Hi,

Part of the discrepancy in the number of instances may be down to the tag being 
applied to other abjects - churches, church halls, graveyards, etc.

From http://stat.latlon.org/ie/latest/tags-a.html

Last update: 2020-09-17T23:48:08Z

anglican=* (1987)
anglican=Church Of Ireland (685)
anglican=Church Of Ireland (CofI) (16)
anglican=Church of Ireland (1085)
anglican=church_of_ireland (3) - I've changed all of these to "Church of 
Ireland".
anglican=church_of_ireland_(cofi) (198)

Colm

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-ie]

For start note
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
- but fixing your own edits falls under one of exceptions

Typical such edit would use Overpass Turbo 
( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Overpass_turbo ) to
find elements for editing and exporting it to either JOSM or level0.

In JOSM one may use usual filter/search/mass edit tools.

In level0 one may copy text description to file and use regular 
search and replace and then copy back and save.

Note that in both cases one needs to follow rules for automated edits and be
careful.

Sep 18, 2020, 17:12 by br...@hollinshead.net:

> During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> Parishes to OSM.
> I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead of
> anglican=Church of Ireland.
>
> You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at one
> fell swoop?
>
> It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I have
> some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to learn
> this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I do!
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

Thanks for looking at this. Using only the wizard in Overpass
type=boundary and anglican="Church Of Ireland" now gives me 685.
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/Y9d

type=boundary and anglican="Church of Ireland" gives me 751.

Will look at your steps in the morning Donal, need to eat and relax.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:56, Donal Hunt  wrote:

> I've only found 612 objects...
>
>
>1. Open JOSM.
>2. Go to Preferences and ensure "expert mode" is turned on.
>3. Click on "Download data".
>4. Choose "Download from Overpass API"
>5. Enter your query.  e.g. 
>
>[out:xml][timeout:90];
>{{geocodeArea:Ireland}}->.searchArea;
>(
>  nwr["type"="boundary"]["anglican"="Church Of
>Ireland"](area.searchArea);
>);
>(._;>;);
>out meta;
>
>6. Download your data.
>7. Select all your data (Ctrl+A).
>8. Find the key that you care about (e.g. "anglican") and then right
>click.
>9. Select "Search key/value".
>10. This gave me 612 objects.
>11. I can then change the name and upload the changes.
>
>
> Would be good to validate that the above is correct...
>
> Donal
>
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:14, Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
>
> > During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> > Parishes to OSM.
> > I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead
> of
> > anglican=Church of Ireland.
> >
> > You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> > Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at
> one
> > fell swoop?
> >
> > It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I
> have
> > some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to
> learn
> > this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I
> do!
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Rory McCann]

JOSM's todo list plugin is very helpful here. do up to step 6, then use JOSM's 
find (control-f)  for the `anglican=whatever` tag, add to todo list, then 
iteratively fix each one. Turning on continuous download helps too. You can fix 
up some details as you go.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020, at 5:55 PM, Donal Hunt wrote:
> I've only found 612 objects...
> 
> 
>1. Open JOSM.
>2. Go to Preferences and ensure "expert mode" is turned on.
>3. Click on "Download data".
>4. Choose "Download from Overpass API"
>5. Enter your query.  e.g. 
> 
>[out:xml][timeout:90];
>{{geocodeArea:Ireland}}->.searchArea;
>(
>  nwr["type"="boundary"]["anglican"="Church Of
>Ireland"](area.searchArea);
>);
>(._;>;);
>out meta;
> 
>6. Download your data.
>7. Select all your data (Ctrl+A).
>8. Find the key that you care about (e.g. "anglican") and then right
>click.
>9. Select "Search key/value".
>10. This gave me 612 objects.
>11. I can then change the name and upload the changes.
> 
> 
> Would be good to validate that the above is correct...
> 
> Donal
> 
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:14, Brian Hollinshead 
> wrote:
> 
> > During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> > Parishes to OSM.
> > I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead of
> > anglican=Church of Ireland.
> >
> > You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> > Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at one
> > fell swoop?
> >
> > It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I have
> > some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to learn
> > this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I do!
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Donal Hunt]

I've only found 612 objects...


   1. Open JOSM.
   2. Go to Preferences and ensure "expert mode" is turned on.
   3. Click on "Download data".
   4. Choose "Download from Overpass API"
   5. Enter your query.  e.g. 

   [out:xml][timeout:90];
   {{geocodeArea:Ireland}}->.searchArea;
   (
 nwr["type"="boundary"]["anglican"="Church Of
   Ireland"](area.searchArea);
   );
   (._;>;);
   out meta;

   6. Download your data.
   7. Select all your data (Ctrl+A).
   8. Find the key that you care about (e.g. "anglican") and then right
   click.
   9. Select "Search key/value".
   10. This gave me 612 objects.
   11. I can then change the name and upload the changes.


Would be good to validate that the above is correct...

Donal

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 16:14, Brian Hollinshead 
wrote:

> During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
> Parishes to OSM.
> I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead of
> anglican=Church of Ireland.
>
> You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
> Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at one
> fell swoop?
>
> It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I have
> some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to learn
> this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I do!
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[OSM-talk-ie] some of my inconsistent tagging - cure sought

[Brian Hollinshead]

During the lockdown I added a lot of Roman Catholic and Church of Ireland
Parishes to OSM.
I carelessly described 686 of them as anglican=Church Of Ireland instead of
anglican=Church of Ireland.

You can see them in overpass using type=boundary and anglican="Church Of
Ireland". Is there some way one of you can please easily alter these at one
fell swoop?

It would be great if you could afterwards then detail the how-to as I have
some smaller groups to cure and others besides me might also like to learn
this useful skill, but maybe perhaps others don't need it as much as I do!
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