[OSM-talk] In the news: Humanitarian OpenStreetMap, Covid-19, and artificial intelligence

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FYI: 
https://www.wired.com/story/satellite-data-reveals-the-pandemics-effects-from-above

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Re: [OSM-talk] many images in wiki gone missing?

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Wikimedia sites are not fully down. The attack has been ongoing for a few
hours. My impression from what I'm seeing people write is that the
interruptions are experienced most strongly by end users in Europe.

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On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:10 PM Michael Bemmerl 
wrote:

> Richard schrieb:
>
> > noticed that many wiki pages like
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge:structure
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:bridge:structure
> >
> > are now full of red links instead of the images that were previously
> there.
> > What happened??
>
> AFAIK these images are embedded from Wikimedia Commons, but Commons (&
> Wikipedia) is currently down since half an hour or so...
>
> Regards,
> Michael
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Re: [OSM-talk] many images in wiki gone missing?

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Those images appear to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons, which is a sister
project of Wikpedia. Wikimedia is currently experiencing service
interruptions due to a DDoS attack.

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On Fri, Sep 6, 2019 at 9:05 PM Richard  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> noticed that many wiki pages like
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge:structure
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/DE:Key:bridge:structure
>
> are now full of red links instead of the images that were previously there.
> What happened??
>
> Richard
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[Talk-us] State of the Map US and Wiki Conference North America in 2019?

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Hi OSM US,

Wikipedians and other participants in the other source universe have had a
conference in the past few years called Wiki Conference North America. For
2019 the WCNA's frequent major financial sponsor, the Wikimedia Foundation,
is not making funding available, so the organizers of Wiki Conference North
America are interested in possibly co-locating the conference with another
organization that has mutual interests and is willing to collaborate. Would
the OSM US organization be willing to have a conversation with the Wiki
Conference North America organizers about possibly collaborating on a
single conference for 2019?

Even if OSM US has no dedicated funding available for Wikimedia activities,
if both events could happen together so that WCNA activities would require
less funding than if WCNA had a separate conference, that would be of
interest to the WCNA organizers.

Thanks,

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Re: [OSM-talk] Open Location Code and Graffiti

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Thanks for sharing the idea of reporting problems like graffiti using
coordinates. For some reason this idea never crossed my mind until I read
your email. This would have been useful for me on one occasion in
particular when I was trying to describe the location of graffiti in a
public park. I can think of other types of situations where coordinates
would be more useful than saying something like "200 feet north of the iron
statue and on the west side of the gatehouse, above a path that goes to the
creek".

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On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 10:06 PM john whelan  wrote:

> It sounds an odd combination but locally you can report Graffiti to the
> municipality and they arrange for it to be cleaned up by the phone company,
> electric company etc.
>
> The targeted electric boxes are often at the back of houses or on
> stretches of highway that have no houses which means describing exactly
> where they are becomes problematical.  200 meters south of the X Y junction
> on the north side of the highway.
>
> When reporting I use JOSM to pick up the street name from OSM then cut and
> paste it into the Web form.  I invariably make mistakes when trying to type
> in names such as Bottriell Way.
>
> So to make this work the municipality and the phone company etc. have to
> be able to recognise the OLC codes.  I probably need to add the boxes as a
> node into OSM initially just those that have Graffiti, some particular ones
> are more frequently covered than others.
>
> They may have to be transcribed, so do OLC codes incorporate a check digit?
>
> Anyone have any experience with working with municipalities and phone
> companies etc in this way?  Yes Lat and Long would work but might be
> confusing to people who have to work with them, again check digits would
> avoid transcription errors.
>
> I also need something to generate an OLC code when using JOSM.  I could
> use OSMand but its difficult to cut and paste from one device to another.
>
> Inspiration anyone?
>
> Thanks John
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Re: [Talk-us] State Open Data

[Pine W]

I'm interested in this subject. An issue is that the copyright might be
owned by the government entity that created it, even if the records are
open for the public. If something is public record in California, does that
also mean that it's not copyrighted by the government entity that created
it?

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On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 5:55 PM OSM Volunteer stevea <
stevea...@softworkers.com> wrote:

> In California, we are quite fortunate to have not only a great deal of
> open data, but an explicit (two, actually) state Supreme Court cases which
> unambiguously assert that data created by the state in the name of the
> People belong to, yup, We, the People.  In other words, if the data are
> public, created by a state agency, the data are "ours" to use as we see
> fit, including a hand-in-glove fit with OSM's ODbL.  The web's "initial
> entry point" can be considered https://data.ca.gov although there are
> MANY more online sources of such data which can be freely used.
>
> Please see:
>
> Government Code §11549.30 (the California Open Data Act),
>
> County of Santa Clara v. California First Amendment Coalition, 170 Cal.
> App. 4th 1301
>
> Sierra Club v. County of Orange, 57 Cal.4th 157 (2013) and
>
> California Public Records Act (Statutes of 1968, Chapter 1473; currently
> codified as California Government Code §§ 6250 through 6276.48)
>
> Hooray for open data, hooray for how it continues to improve OSM!
>
> SteveA
> California
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[Talk-us] Fwd: [Wikimedia-l] [fellowship] Opportunity for people working on "open projects that support a healthy Internet."

[Pine W]

Forwarding.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
From: Melody Kramer 
Date: Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 2:26 PM
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] [fellowship] Opportunity for people working on "open
projects that support a healthy Internet."
To: wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi all,

I wanted to pass along an opportunity that I saw earlier today via Twitter:
https://medium.com/read-write-participate/work-in-the-open-
with-mozilla-1410be0a83b2

It sets up people working on "open projects that support a healthy
Internet" with a mentor, a cohort of like-minded people from all over the
world, and a trip to Mozfest, which is a London-based open Internet
conference I've attended/presented at in past years and found really
mind-expanding due to the cross-disciplinary conversations that take place.

You can see previous projects here: https://mozilla.github.
io/leadership-training/round-3/projects/ — it looks like there's quite a
broad cross-section and many of the projects across the movement might be
applicable. The post notes participants will learn about "best practices
for project setup and communication, tools for collaboration, community
building, and running events."

Thank you to Leila for suggesting I pass this along to this listserv. Feel
free to share it broadly.


- Mel


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[OSM-talk] Possible future of "on demand" satellite imagery

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In case you're interested:
http://komonews.com/news/local/seattle-company-unveils-service-to-allow-customers-on-demand-access-to-satellite-images

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Wikidata] Significant change: new data type for geoshapes

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Schedule update below.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
From: Léa Lacroix 
Date: Mon, Apr 3, 2017 at 1:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Wikidata] Significant change: new data type for geoshapes
To: wikidata-t...@lists.wikimedia.org, "Discussion list for the Wikidata
project." , pywiki...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hello,
Small change: due to the server switch
 and Easter
holiday in Germany, the deployment is delayed to April 24th. Thanks for
your patience.

On 29 March 2017 at 13:34, Léa Lacroix  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> We’ve been working on a new data type that allows you to link to the 
> *geographical
> shapes* that are now stored on Commons. This data type will be deployed
> on Wikidata on *April 17th*.
>
> This data type refers to the geographical shapes that are enabled on
> Wikimedia Commons since the beginning of this year. Here you can find
> more information about this .
>
> The property creators will be able to create properties with this geoshape
> data type by selecting “Geographical shape” in the data type list.
>
> When the property is created, you can use it in statements, and when
> filling the value, if you start typing a string, you can choose the name of
> a geoshape in the list of what exists on Commons.
>
> [image: Screenshot test geoshape in Wikidata.png]
> 
>
>
> One thing to note: We currently do not export statements that use this
> datatype to RDF. They can therefore not be queried in the Wikidata Query
> Service. The reason is that we are still waiting for geoshapes to get
> stable URIs. This is handled in this ticket
> .
>
> Before the deployment, you can test it on http://test.wikidata.org (see
> for example the property “geotest” on Q22
> ).
> If you have any question, feel free to ask!
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
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>
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> 10963 Berlin
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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Wikidata] Significant change: new data type for geoshapes

[Pine W]

Forwarding.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
From: Léa Lacroix 
Date: Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 4:34 AM
Subject: [Wikidata] Significant change: new data type for geoshapes
To: wikidata-t...@lists.wikimedia.org, "Discussion list for the Wikidata
project." , pywiki...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hello all,

We’ve been working on a new data type that allows you to link to the
*geographical
shapes* that are now stored on Commons. This data type will be deployed on
Wikidata on *April 17th*.

This data type refers to the geographical shapes that are enabled on
Wikimedia Commons since the beginning of this year. Here you can find more
information about this .

The property creators will be able to create properties with this geoshape
data type by selecting “Geographical shape” in the data type list.

When the property is created, you can use it in statements, and when
filling the value, if you start typing a string, you can choose the name of
a geoshape in the list of what exists on Commons.

[image: Screenshot test geoshape in Wikidata.png]



One thing to note: We currently do not export statements that use this
datatype to RDF. They can therefore not be queried in the Wikidata Query
Service. The reason is that we are still waiting for geoshapes to get
stable URIs. This is handled in this ticket
.

Before the deployment, you can test it on http://test.wikidata.org (see for
example the property “geotest” on Q22 ).
If you have any question, feel free to ask!

Cheers,

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Research Scientist position at WMF

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Forwarding in case there are statisticians or scientists in OSM that would
be interested in this job posting.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
Hi all,

The Research team at the Wikimedia Foundation has just opened a full-time
research scientist position
.
In the past years, the team has worked on a variety of projects, including:
building ML-based scoring systems for Wikipedia and Wikidata

, recommendations systems for article creation
,
models
to detect harassment and personal attacks
,
and more. we are looking to add one more full-time role to our team to
expand our research capacity and strengthen our collaborations with
academia and industry.

If this is the kind of job you're interested in, please consider applying.
If you know people in your network who may be a good fit, please encourage
them to apply.

Best,
Leila

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[Talk-us] Fwd: [Wiki-research-l] Research Scientist position at WMF

[Pine W]

Forwarding in case there are statisticians or scientists in OSM that would
be interested in this job posting.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
Hi all,

The Research team at the Wikimedia Foundation has just opened a full-time
research scientist position
.
In the past years, the team has worked on a variety of projects, including:
building ML-based scoring systems for Wikipedia and Wikidata

, recommendations systems for article creation
,
models
to detect harassment and personal attacks
,
and more. we are looking to add one more full-time role to our team to
expand our research capacity and strengthen our collaborations with
academia and industry.

If this is the kind of job you're interested in, please consider applying.
If you know people in your network who may be a good fit, please encourage
them to apply.

Best,
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[OSM-talk] SHA-1 collision announced by Google

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If you develop or run software that uses SHA-1, here's another reason to
upgrade to a more secure algorithm:

https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html

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[Talk-us] SHA-1 collision announced by Google

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If you develop or run software that uses SHA-1, here's another reason to
upgrade to a more secure algorithm:

https://security.googleblog.com/2017/02/announcing-first-sha1-collision.html

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[Talk-us] Fwd: [Analytics] February 15, 2017 Research Showcase

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The first presentation mentioned below may be of interest to OSM folks, as
well as Wikimedia maps people. These talks are presented by the Wikimedia
Foundation and are live-streamed.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
From: Sarah R 
Date: Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM
Subject: [Analytics] February 15, 2017 Research Showcase
To: wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org,
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi Everyone,

The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this February 15, 2017 at
11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC.

YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6smzMppb-I

As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. And,
you can watch our past research showcases here
.

This month's presentations:

Wikipedia and the Urban-Rural DivideBy *Isaac Johnson*Wikipedia articles
about places, OpenStreetMap features, and other forms of peer-produced
content have become critical sources of geographic knowledge for humans and
intelligent technologies. We explore the effectiveness of the peer
production model across the rural/urban divide, a divide that has been
shown to be an important factor in many online social systems. We find that
in Wikipedia (as well as OpenStreetMap), peer-produced content about rural
areas is of systematically lower quality, less likely to have been produced
by contributors who focus on the local area, and more likely to have been
generated by automated software agents (i.e. “bots”). We continue to
explore and codify the systemic challenges inherent to characterizing rural
phenomena through peer production as well as discuss potential solutions.


Wikipedia Navigation VectorsBy *Ellery Wulczyn
*In this project, we
learned embeddings for Wikipedia articles and Wikidata
 items by applying
Word2vec  models to a corpus of
reading sessions. Although Word2vec models were developed to learn word
embeddings from a corpus of sentences, they can be applied to any kind of
sequential data. The learned embeddings have the property that items with
similar neighbors in the training corpus have similar representations (as
measured by the cosine similarity
, for example).
Consequently, applying Wor2vec to reading sessions results in article
embeddings, where articles that tend to be read in close succession have
similar representations. Since people usually generate sequences of
semantically related articles while reading, these embeddings also capture
semantic similarity between articles.

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [Analytics] February 15, 2017 Research Showcase

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The first presentation mentioned below may be of interest to OSM folks, as
well as Wikimedia maps people. These talks are presented by the Wikimedia
Foundation and are live-streamed.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
From: Sarah R 
Date: Tue, Feb 14, 2017 at 2:49 PM
Subject: [Analytics] February 15, 2017 Research Showcase
To: wikimedi...@lists.wikimedia.org, analyt...@lists.wikimedia.org,
wiki-researc...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi Everyone,

The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed this February 15, 2017 at
11:30 AM (PST) 18:30 UTC.

YouTube stream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6smzMppb-I

As usual, you can join the conversation on IRC at #wikimedia-research. And,
you can watch our past research showcases here
.

This month's presentations:

Wikipedia and the Urban-Rural DivideBy *Isaac Johnson*Wikipedia articles
about places, OpenStreetMap features, and other forms of peer-produced
content have become critical sources of geographic knowledge for humans and
intelligent technologies. We explore the effectiveness of the peer
production model across the rural/urban divide, a divide that has been
shown to be an important factor in many online social systems. We find that
in Wikipedia (as well as OpenStreetMap), peer-produced content about rural
areas is of systematically lower quality, less likely to have been produced
by contributors who focus on the local area, and more likely to have been
generated by automated software agents (i.e. “bots”). We continue to
explore and codify the systemic challenges inherent to characterizing rural
phenomena through peer production as well as discuss potential solutions.


Wikipedia Navigation VectorsBy *Ellery Wulczyn
*In this project, we
learned embeddings for Wikipedia articles and Wikidata
 items by applying
Word2vec  models to a corpus of
reading sessions. Although Word2vec models were developed to learn word
embeddings from a corpus of sentences, they can be applied to any kind of
sequential data. The learned embeddings have the property that items with
similar neighbors in the training corpus have similar representations (as
measured by the cosine similarity
, for example).
Consequently, applying Wor2vec to reading sessions results in article
embeddings, where articles that tend to be read in close succession have
similar representations. Since people usually generate sequences of
semantically related articles while reading, these embeddings also capture
semantic similarity between articles.

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [MediaWiki-l] Maps 4.0.0-RC1 released

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Forwarding in case some of the mapping experts on other mailing lists would
like to look at this.

Pine


-- Forwarded message --
From: Jeroen De Dauw 
Date: Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 2:39 PM
Subject: [MediaWiki-l] Maps 4.0.0-RC1 released
To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list <
mediawik...@lists.wikimedia.org>


Hey all,

I'm happy to announce the first release candidate for Maps 4.0. Maps is a
MediaWiki extension to work with and visualize geographical information.
Maps 4.0 is the first major release of the extension since January 2014,
and it brings a ton of "new" functionality. This release candidate is meant
to gather feedback and not suitable for usage in production. The 4.0
release itself will be made one week from now if no issues are found.

For an overview of what's new, see
https://www.entropywins.wtf/blog/2016/11/09/maps-4-0-0-rc1-released/

Cheers

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

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Whoops, wrong list! Sorry.

On Oct 25, 2016 08:41, "Pine W" <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I think you misunderstood my purpose. I was not contacting OSM to complain
> about illegal signs. I was responding to the original poster and urging
> caution about relying on signs. At least in my jurisdiction, official
> databases seem to me to be more reliable than signage regarding property
> rights.
>
> Perhaps there are parts of the world in which official databases are
> incomplete, outdated, or nonexistent, in which case mappers could adapt to
> local conditions as best as possible.
>
> Pine
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

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I think you misunderstood my purpose. I was not contacting OSM to complain
about illegal signs. I was responding to the original poster and urging
caution about relying on signs. At least in my jurisdiction, official
databases seem to me to be more reliable than signage regarding property
rights.

Perhaps there are parts of the world in which official databases are
incomplete, outdated, or nonexistent, in which case mappers could adapt to
local conditions as best as possible.

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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Pine W]

I think you misunderstood my purpose. I was not contacting OSM to complain
about illegal signs. I was responding to the original poster and urging
caution about relying on signs. At least in my jurisdiction, official
databases seem to me to be more reliable than signage regarding property
rights.

Perhaps there are parts of the world in which official databases are
incomplete, outdated, or nonexistent, in which case mappers could adapt to
local conditions as best as possible.

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[OSM-talk] Fwd: [HOT] Geospatial devroom at FOSDEM 2017

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Forwarding.
-- Forwarded message --
From: "Margherita Di Leo" 
Date: Oct 25, 2016 02:01
Subject: [HOT] Geospatial devroom at FOSDEM 2017
To: "hot" 
Cc:

Call for Presentations

Please forward!

FOSDEM is a free and non-commercial event bringing together about 5000
developers in Brussels, Belgium. The goal is to provide open source
software developers and communities a place to meet and share thoughts. The
participation is free of charge, although donations are welcome. The next
edition will take place on 4 - 5 February 2017. For the third (!) time
there will be a Geospatial devroom and will be happening on Sunday 5/2/2017!

Geospatial technologies and mapping used to be specialist work, but
nowadays location and maps are becoming part of many projects/applications,
which usually use only a small subset of the possibilities the data and
software offer.

The geospatial devroom is the place to talk about open, geo-related data
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for spatial databases, and online mapping, geospatial services, used for
collecting, storing, delivering, analysing, and visualizing purposes.

We welcome submissions about:

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Hunting area tagging

[Pine W]

Just a comment that I'd be wary of "No hunting", "Hunting allowed", or
"Private property", or other signs on the ground that can actually be
placed by anyone, whether or not they are legal. A problem that I've
encountered more than once is a private property owner putting out what
appeared to me to be an illegal sign, like putting a home-made speed limit
sign on the small street that goes by their house. A similar problem that
I've heard about is business owners putting out "No parking", "Customer
parking only", "Private beach", and similar signs which were made to look
official but actually were not approved by any government agency. So
signage that you see in public is not always trustworthy, and I would be
cautious about relying on it. Relying on official databases seems to me to
be preferable to relying on signage.

Pine

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

>
>
> sent from a phone
>
> > Il giorno 24 ott 2016, alle ore 20:22, yvecai  ha
> scritto:
> >
> > Michal,
> > You're half right IMO. I don't see such problems if
> > 1) tagging is made by hunters
> > 2) mapping is made by hunters
>
>
> I'm not a hunter, but I have encountered a lot of "hunting forbidden"
> signs in different places, sometimes every few meters apparently delimiting
> an area. While I didn't map them at the time, I guess I could have done it
> without having deeper insights into the hunting business, simply by looking
> where the signs were.
>
> What you ask for is desirable, but I would not make it a requirement. In
> any field you can provide better mapping if you know more about the topic,
> but this hasn't led us to only ask specialists for their contribution.
>
>
> cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

My reading of https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright is that, under the
current terms, printing the link to that page in addition to printing “©
OpenStreetMap contributors” would be sufficient. However, I do wonder
whether a credit like "“© OpenStreetMap contributors, licensed under
https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright; might give the mistaken impression
that a production paid for a license, so perhaps it would be good to
further specify that the text "The data is available under the Open
Database License, and the cartography is licensed under Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0" would be preferred. This might improve the
visibility of the open licensing scheme.

Pine

On Sun, Oct 23, 2016 at 5:40 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

> Yes, but the point is that we don't actually give any guidance as to what
> we would consider sufficient notice if a link is not possible (as in your
> typical book or film) and we should add some text as to what we are happy
> with (I suspect that it might boil down to requiring a typed out link).
>
> Simon
>
> Am 23.10.2016 um 05:07 schrieb Pine W:
>
> Hi Simon,
>
> Not quite. Per "https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright;, licensees "must
> also make it clear that the data is available under the Open Database
> License, and if using our map tiles, that the cartography is licensed as CC
> BY-SA. You may do this by linking to this copyright page
> <http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright>."
>
> So, while noting “© OpenStreetMap contributors”, is a good start, it's
> insufficient to fulfill the terms of the license.
>
> I would expect that a project with a cost of about $75 million would have
> plenty of resources with which to do legal research and completely fulfill
> the terms of the license.
>
> Pine
>
> On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:
>
>> “© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion text
>> since day one post licence change (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/c
>> opyright and http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_Legal
>> _FAQ ). While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask for
>> that, you defintely can't complain about the productions.
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>>
>> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
>> have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
>> excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
>> communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
>> with the responsible parties?
>>
>> Pine
>>
>> [1] https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-infe
>> rno-international-1201890418/
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" <sea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and
>>> this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit
>>> went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license
>>> again.
>>>
>>> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked
>>> from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>>>
>>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
>>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>>>
>>> ~Eugene
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
>>>> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
>>>> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
>>>> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
>>>> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>>>>
>>>> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
>>>> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
>>>> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
>>>> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
>>>> mailing list.
>>>>
>>>> ~Eugene
>>>>
>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

Hi Simon,

Not quite. Per "https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright;, licensees "must
also make it clear that the data is available under the Open Database
License, and if using our map tiles, that the cartography is licensed as CC
BY-SA. You may do this by linking to this copyright page
<http://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright>."

So, while noting “© OpenStreetMap contributors”, is a good start, it's
insufficient to fulfill the terms of the license.

I would expect that a project with a cost of about $75 million would have
plenty of resources with which to do legal research and completely fulfill
the terms of the license.

Pine

On Sat, Oct 22, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Simon Poole <si...@poole.ch> wrote:

> “© OpenStreetMap contributors” has been the suggested attribtion text
> since day one post licence change (see http://www.openstreetmap.org/
> copyright and http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licence/Licence_and_
> Legal_FAQ ). While you could argue that the OSMF is wrong headed to ask
> for that, you defintely can't complain about the productions.
> Simon
>
>
> Am 22.10.2016 um 07:00 schrieb Pine W:
>
> With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
> have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
> excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
> communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
> with the responsible parties?
>
> Pine
>
> [1] https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-
> inferno-international-1201890418/
>
> On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar" <sea...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and
>> this is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit
>> went “© OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license
>> again.
>>
>> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked
>> from the "Press" wiki page[2].
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
>> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar <sea...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
>>> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
>>> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
>>> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
>>> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>>>
>>> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
>>> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>>>
>>> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
>>> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
>>> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
>>> mailing list.
>>>
>>> ~Eugene
>>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk] The movie Eye in the Sky credits OpenStreetMap

[Pine W]

With a budget of about $75 million [1], productions like this certainly
have the resources to get the credits and licensing right, so there is no
excuse for being sloppy. Does the OSM Foundation have lawyers or
communications staff who would be in a good position to address this issue
with the responsible parties?

Pine

[1]
https://variety.com/2016/film/news/box-office-tom-hanks-inferno-international-1201890418/

On Oct 21, 2016 9:06 PM, "Eugene Alvin Villar"  wrote:

> I saw another mainstream film that credits OSM in the end credits and this
> is the film adaptation of Dan Brown's novel Inferno. The credit went “©
> OpenStreetMap contributors”. There was no mention of any license again.
>
> I've decided to create a new wiki page[1] to list these films, linked from
> the "Press" wiki page[2].
>
> [1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Films
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Portal:Press
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just saw the film Eye in the Sky, starring Helen Mirren and Alan
>> Rickman (the movie is really good), and I was pleasantly surprised to
>> see OpenStreetMap and its contributors get a credit in the end
>> credits. The surprise is partly because I do not recall seeing any map
>> in the film that looked like it came from OSM.
>>
>> IIRC, the credit went like “OpenStreetMap © OpenStreetMap
>> contributors”. No mention of any license though.
>>
>> Now I'm wondering whether there are any other mainstream films that
>> also use and credit OpenStreetMap as well. This is the first time I've
>> seen such a credit and I don't recall any mention as well on this
>> mailing list.
>>
>> ~Eugene
>>
>
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[Talk-us] University of Washington "to host global center for disaster reconnaissance and research"

[Pine W]

Perhaps of interest:
http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/science/uw-will-host-global-center-for-disaster-reconnaissance-research/

"NSF-funded disaster reconnaissance teams from across the country will be
able to draw on the UW center’s tools, expertise and personnel. All data
will be freely shared."

Pine
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Building a free/open reviews community w/ OSM support

[Pine W]

Hi Clifford,

Let me clarify that we're discussing OSM tagging with Wikidata IDs, not
Wikipedia articles. They are two related but different concepts.

Pine

On Aug 8, 2016 22:05, "Clifford Snow" <cliff...@snowandsnow.us> wrote:

>
> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Speaking as an OSM novice but an experienced Wikimedian, having Wikidata
>> ID tags makes sense to me. This sounds like something that could benefit
>> Wikidata, Wikipedia, and other projects that recognize Wikidata IDs. There
>> might be no need to have multiple external ID tags in OSM if the Wikidata
>> tag is included and if other projects can recognize the Wikidata ID.
>> However, this assumes that Wikidata agrees that objects that get tagged in
>> OSM are worthy of having a Wikidata item; an unremarkable McDonald's might
>> be below that threshold for Wikidata even if the store is worthy of
>> inclusion on OSM. Pinging Lydia and Yuri to ask if they have thoughts about
>> this.
>
>
> Pine,
> It was great meeting you at sotmus.
>
> Wikipedia tags should only be used on objects that have a wikipedia
> article. McDonalds fastfood locations wouldn't normally have an article.
> Similarly, something I can relate better to is Starbucks. We had a problem
> where people were adding the starbucks wikipedia tag to every location. As
> far as I could tell, only one starbucks has an article, the one by Pike
> Place Market. Having the wikipedia tag was creating a problem with
> Nominatim which gives a higher rank to locations with a wikipedia article.
>
> Most likely many brand name stores are tagged wrong. Someone with good
> skills could write a script, after approval from the community, to remove
> those tags.
>
> Clifford
>
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Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Building a free/open reviews community w/ OSM support

[Pine W]

Speaking as an OSM novice but an experienced Wikimedian, having Wikidata ID
tags makes sense to me. This sounds like something that could benefit
Wikidata, Wikipedia, and other projects that recognize Wikidata IDs. There
might be no need to have multiple external ID tags in OSM if the Wikidata
tag is included and if other projects can recognize the Wikidata ID.
However, this assumes that Wikidata agrees that objects that get tagged in
OSM are worthy of having a Wikidata item; an unremarkable McDonald's might
be below that threshold for Wikidata even if the store is worthy of
inclusion on OSM. Pinging Lydia and Yuri to ask if they have thoughts about
this.

Pine

On Aug 8, 2016 20:22, "Marc Gemis"  wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 10:52 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> >> - add an external ID to OSM. This would be analogue to the current
> wikidata
> >> tag.
>
> It's better not to add external IDs to OSM. It would be OK if there is
> only 1 project in the world that would do this, but if every pet
> project will start doing this ...
> Also, in general, there is no way for contributors to verify the IDs
> added by third parties, which makes it hard to verify whether they are
> still valid.
> Furthermore there is no guarantee that someone might remove this tag.
> So you will need a fallback method anyway.
>
> So please do not use this method
>
>
> regards
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Building a free/open reviews community w/ OSM support

[Pine W]

Hi Erik,

Interesting project, though I must admit some caution about its success.
How do you plan to develop readership for this site? Yelp seems to have a
commanding lead.

Pine

On Aug 5, 2016 18:17, "Erik Moeller"  wrote:

> Hi Michał,
>
> Thanks for your comments!
>
> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Michał Brzozowski 
> wrote:
>
> > Have you devised any robust algorithm for linking OSM primitives to
> > objects in the external database? In general case, it seems really
> > hard to track objects as they get converted from nodes to areas, or
> > decide whether given OSM feature is no longer representing some entity
> > in the external database.
>
> No, and I'm not very familiar with OSM's data structures and APIs yet.
> What I'm imagining for now as the initial OSM-related features are:
>
> 1) enabling search for POIs similar to http://openpoimap.org/ but more
> lightweight and purpose-focused (so you can start a review and just
> select a POI from the map to identify it)
>
> 2) importing (and attributing!) relevant data on demand, which by the
> looks of e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/422293736 seems like
> it often includes quite a bit of relevant data that future reviewers
> would appreciate.
>
> If possible, I'd also like to add:
>
> 3) flagging imported data as read-only and synchronizing it in regular
> intervals. People who want to improve that data would then just be
> pointed to OSM (or Wikidata, or whatever community source).
>
> I have no intention of performing a bulk import anytime soon; while
> this could be good for bootstrapping, it will be too big of a
> technical challenge too early, I think. Instead for now we'll
> add/import metadata about things we review if/when we review them.
>
> Do you see fundamental technical challenges with any of the above? I
> don't think conversion from nodes to areas would necessarily be
> problematic, as long as the sync job can learn that such a change has
> occurred to the object it's trying to keep in sync.
>
> > A framework / API for performing such linking would be of great
> > interest, as it could enable many applications to exist on top of OSM
> > - recognizing that not everything belongs to OSM.
>
> *nod* OSM-land is interesting compared with the Wikimedia world I'm
> more familiar with, with much more emphasis on a large distributed
> community building tools and APIs, some proprietary, some open. I'll
> want to look at the state of the open tools out there to see if what
> I'm describing above can already be built, or if there's someone who's
> willing to collaborate!
>
> > Regarding the idea, I reckon it may not scale well, if at all. Weeding
> > out spammers needs constant attention, and community moderation is
> > prone to the Sybil attacks. This may be less of a problem on sites
> > such as OSM or Wikipedia where data needs verifiability that or
> > another way (so in order to gain trust you have to do actual work).
> > Reviews are inherently subjective. Not to mention any legal BS one may
> > get from business owners.
>
> Heh, it's certainly a hard problem. :) Here are a few things to note:
>
> - Currently the system is invite-only and likely will be for a while.
> I reckon building a core community that cares about quality,
> organization, etc. will take a while, and we can then give a lot of
> those folks permission to also act as moderators so they can ban
> spammers once we (temporarily or permanently) open the floodgates.
> Invitation is something we can give away liberally, but it functions
> as a bit of a barrier to entry for bad faith actors.
>
> - I'm building into the architecture strong notions of trust and
> affiliation. Users can be members of like-minded teams with given
> rules (think sub-reddit as an analogy), and they can individually
> express trust toward one another, so we can track the trust graph that
> allowed an abuser to act with elevated trust levels. Trust will likely
> factor into ranking calculations, visibility of content, and so on. To
> give an example, it's already the case that the reviews shown on
> https://lib.reviews/ are written by users with the "trusted" flag set,
> while https://lib.reviews/feed shows all (unfiltered) reviews.
>
> - In general, my experience with Wikimedia has taught me that
> transparent community collaboration in good faith is a pretty good way
> to deal with such problems. Wikimedia has to deal with paid PR flacks
> regularly, for example, and generally has established procedures for
> spotting and kicking out such folks. Similarly, WMF has had to face
> down nasty legal threats long before it had a big budget. As long as I
> give the community good tools to self-organize rather than following
> an enterprise-style approach of solving everything from the top down,
> I am optimistic that we can make decisions such as "when do we open
> the floodgates" collaboratively.)
>
> Warmly,
> Erik
>
> 

[Talk-us] Slides and video of Wikimedia Foundation presentations at State of the Map US

[Pine W]

Hi OSM,

Here is the link to the slides that Katherine Maher presented at State of
the Map US:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Katherine_Maher%27s_keynote_presentation_at_OSM_State_of_the_Map_US_2016.pdf

Video of Katherine's presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywGuz1586M0

Here is the link to the slides that Yuri Astrakhan presented at State of
the Map US:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10D8Q0w8gwMqOvciDDFZSBuRKxFpGsdwM0D5QcBFmTyA/edit?usp=sharing

Video of Yuri's presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kscsp0YS7nw

Regards,

Pine

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the Wikimedia Foundation and I don't speak for it. I have a grant from the
Wikimedia Foundation that is a little related to OSM but OSM isn't a focus
of the grant. I am interested in in developing the relationship between
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[OSM-talk] Slides and video of Wikimedia Foundation presentations at State of the Map US

[Pine W]

Hi OSM,

Here is the link to the slides that Katherine Maher presented at State of
the Map US:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Katherine_Maher%27s_keynote_presentation_at_OSM_State_of_the_Map_US_2016.pdf

Video of Katherine's presentation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywGuz1586M0

Here is the link to the slides that Yuri Astrakhan presented at State of
the Map US:
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/10D8Q0w8gwMqOvciDDFZSBuRKxFpGsdwM0D5QcBFmTyA/edit?usp=sharing

Video of Yuri's presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kscsp0YS7nw

Regards,

Pine

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