Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)
Thanks for all the tips. In the first StepJuan expedition, I gave him one GPSTOGO unit, at the end of each day, he sends the file to me. I then process the file and upload in the website. The process is onerous both for me and Tomas' so I'm thinking of automating this process. The best I can think of is to use a droid phone and send geo-tweets. This way all he do is tweet his current position to show it on the livemap. Any free droid app that can send geo-enabled tweets? On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think these 2 free apps are useful for this purpose (i.e. getting gpx and csv and emailing it). Android - MyTracks http://mytracks.appspot.com/ http://code.google.com/p/mytracks/ Iphone - Record my GPS position http://itunes.apple.com/app/record-my-gps-position/id405865492?mt=8 Noli On 3/6/11, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com wrote: Well what can he carry, a GPS logger is easy to carry and runs fine on batt but it only logs, so what possible device can be used to log and upload at the same time or if it just logs, how often can an upload be done? Once you have something which can upload, you just figure out how to display the logs online using a website or a 3rd party service. Something like Sportstracklive or its competitors let you track yourself live using a phone or similar device and display it live online, the problem with constant upload is the battery drain, and well GPRS charges but im sure an 1200 unlimited 3G subscription might offset that. I know the developer of sportstracklive, he's a foreigner living the philippines. It's cool for live tracking as longs its not a security issue, and allow people to comment or alert people as he passes by certain areas. I know he walks during the day, is there a mobile device charges solar unit :) or a really low powered GPS + 3g unit + solar power charger, or some dynamo that will charge the phone as he walks :) On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote: StepJuan is back on the road. For brief background, we helped Tomas and the StepJuan crew last year in mapping his journey from Paguppud Ilocos to Matnog, Sorsogon. We provided him one of the gpstogo units to track the whole journey. All traces are in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/stepjuan This year he is planning to do the Visayas leg. I'm looking for ideas on how we can once again track the journey and show a webmap. Are there any GPS tracker available wherein we can directly interface to an OSM map? The StepJuan crew is looking for sponsorships, if you have ideas, just post em here. Thanks! -- Forwarded message -- Hi firends, StepJuan is walking to town again! This time me and my team will walk through the 6 major islands of the Visayas Region, starting from Allen Samar and will end in Boracay Island, Aklan. This adventure will benefit children with cancer under the Philippine Children's Medical Center (tawid kalusugan program for indigent patients). With this i would like to ask for your help. Attached is a cover letter, the walk IT and our media plan. Hoping for your help and guidance. God Bless. Love and Peace, ~Tomas Leonor Director/ Founder: StepJuan www.stepjuan.com tomas.leo...@gmail.com +639152166693/ +639193622182 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] ideas for tracking stepjuan's journey (Fwd: STEPJUAN Bai: A walking expedition for Children with Cancer)
TweetDeck has live geotag and it is free. http://www.wirefresh.com/tweetdeck-for-iphone-gets-update-to-v1-3/ http://www.tweetdeck.com/android/ How you get the geo-tweets display in your custom map - openlayers or wms / tile server? Noli On 3/7/11, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all the tips. In the first StepJuan expedition, I gave him one GPSTOGO unit, at the end of each day, he sends the file to me. I then process the file and upload in the website. The process is onerous both for me and Tomas' so I'm thinking of automating this process. The best I can think of is to use a droid phone and send geo-tweets. This way all he do is tweet his current position to show it on the livemap. Any free droid app that can send geo-enabled tweets? On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: I think these 2 free apps are useful for this purpose (i.e. getting gpx and csv and emailing it). Android - MyTracks http://mytracks.appspot.com/ http://code.google.com/p/mytracks/ Iphone - Record my GPS position http://itunes.apple.com/app/record-my-gps-position/id405865492?mt=8 Noli On 3/6/11, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com wrote: Well what can he carry, a GPS logger is easy to carry and runs fine on batt but it only logs, so what possible device can be used to log and upload at the same time or if it just logs, how often can an upload be done? Once you have something which can upload, you just figure out how to display the logs online using a website or a 3rd party service. Something like Sportstracklive or its competitors let you track yourself live using a phone or similar device and display it live online, the problem with constant upload is the battery drain, and well GPRS charges but im sure an 1200 unlimited 3G subscription might offset that. I know the developer of sportstracklive, he's a foreigner living the philippines. It's cool for live tracking as longs its not a security issue, and allow people to comment or alert people as he passes by certain areas. I know he walks during the day, is there a mobile device charges solar unit :) or a really low powered GPS + 3g unit + solar power charger, or some dynamo that will charge the phone as he walks :) On 3:59 AM, maning sambale wrote: StepJuan is back on the road. For brief background, we helped Tomas and the StepJuan crew last year in mapping his journey from Paguppud Ilocos to Matnog, Sorsogon. We provided him one of the gpstogo units to track the whole journey. All traces are in OSM: http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces/tag/stepjuan This year he is planning to do the Visayas leg. I'm looking for ideas on how we can once again track the journey and show a webmap. Are there any GPS tracker available wherein we can directly interface to an OSM map? The StepJuan crew is looking for sponsorships, if you have ideas, just post em here. Thanks! -- Forwarded message -- Hi firends, StepJuan is walking to town again! This time me and my team will walk through the 6 major islands of the Visayas Region, starting from Allen Samar and will end in Boracay Island, Aklan. This adventure will benefit children with cancer under the Philippine Children's Medical Center (tawid kalusugan program for indigent patients). With this i would like to ask for your help. Attached is a cover letter, the walk IT and our media plan. Hoping for your help and guidance. God Bless. Love and Peace, ~Tomas Leonor Director/ Founder: StepJuan www.stepjuan.com tomas.leo...@gmail.com +639152166693/ +639193622182 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On 2011-03-06 01:45, Joseph Reeves wrote: In fairness, I don't want to get spammed on the talk list with trolling (Anthony?) remarks about the license change, but saying that people can't ask questions about it *at all* is just a lazy attempt to try and ignore the defining feature of OSM. Nobody said you can't ask questions. Frederik and others just pointed out that it's more likely to get an answer to a legal question on legal-talk. Would you ask a question specific to the US on talk-au (or any other country-specific list)? Why do people have the impression that subsribing to legal-talk is somehow more difficult than subscribing to talk? Bye, Andreas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 06.03.2011 02:36, Steve Bennett wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 7:12 AM, antantof...@gmail.com wrote: very nice! I've checked some of my daily bicycle routes. Of four routes two are perfect, and two have become too long--obviously in favour of the use of cycleways. Don't forget that although cycleways are preferable, cycling on roads is still possible and avoiding it usually isn't worth a 10% increase of distance. Interesting, my threshold would be closer to 40 or 50%. You're saying you'd rather ride 20km on roads rather than 22km on bike path? I In the city, yes. Btw, here almost all tertiaries and higher have separate cycleway tracks. wonder how they can cope with such a range in preferences. Give more options! How about a safety slider from very safe to break-neck? Presets for racing bike, trekking bike, mountainbike? Avoid pedestrian areas? Avoid side roads and paths (useful in winter)? Steve cheers ant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
Hi, On 05.03.2011 23:46, Cartinus wrote: On Saturday 05 March 2011 21:12:43 ant wrote: One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess). Please fix this. They should be regarded unless there is a tag except=bicycle on the restriction relation. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Restriction which is used... 666 times! http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/except#values What you're saying isn't wrong. But it's useless for bicycle routing with the current use of tags and the current quality of the cycleway network. Even in the best-mapped countries most of the roads still miss information about bicycle access permissions, let alone separately mapped cycleways. So the only situation I'd enforce a turn restriction in is when the road is tagged bicycle=lane. Otherwise I'd ignore it. cheers ant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 09:24:50 +0100 Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: Would you ask a question specific to the US on talk-au (or any other country-specific list)? Why do people have the impression that subsribing to legal-talk is somehow more difficult than subscribing to talk? It makes much more sense to have a central list where important community matters are discussed. The idea that all 'tagging' has to go to tagging list or all 'licence' to legal list divides the community. Talk is a central point which should have no such rules as not here. I can understand that trying to discuss tagging matters on legal-talk should be heartily discouraged, but once we have a number of lists covering every sub-branch of discussion we lose our community. All of the lists suffer from endless discussion of the same points with very little action ever occurring - and reading the amateur lawyers on legal-talk arguing with the professional lawyers is a form of amusement that I don't need. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 10:23:22 +0100 ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: So the only situation I'd enforce a turn restriction in is when the road is tagged bicycle=lane. Otherwise I'd ignore it. I'm not sure in which country you are living, but in mine (au) a signed turn restriction applies to all vehicles. Riding a pushbike I can do a right hand turn where right hand turns are prohibited by doing a hook turn, but that is the only way around the restriction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_turn ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
For the sake of discussion, I have a simple case. Along a road, there are 100 bus stops. I'd like to make a POI file containing the positions of all these bus stops. So, I sit in my car and I need a simple command to run every time I stop outside a bus stop. Then I can bind this command to a button on my keyboard and I press this button every time I park outside a bus stop. When I'm finished, I have a POI file of the positions of all the bus stops. Later, I'm somehow able to load this POI file into something like foxtrotgps. Anyone have any pointers how I can do this and what tools I can use?. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
Hi, If you have an Android or Windows Mobile device you can do that with: OSMTracker: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSMtracker_%28Android%29 If you want to do this with a laptopand JOSM, you can use: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/Surveyor You can also read this wiki page on mapping public transport: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/JOSM/Plugins/public_transport Regards, Gaël ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 19:42:27 Esben Stien wrote: For the sake of discussion, I have a simple case. Along a road, there are 100 bus stops. I'd like to make a POI file containing the positions of all these bus stops. So, I sit in my car and I need a simple command to run every time I stop outside a bus stop. Then I can bind this command to a button on my keyboard and I press this button every time I park outside a bus stop. When I'm finished, I have a POI file of the positions of all the bus stops. Later, I'm somehow able to load this POI file into something like foxtrotgps. Anyone have any pointers how I can do this and what tools I can use?. I assume you already have a GPS hooked up to your laptop and you can record a trace of your trip. Get a digital camera (maybe you already have one, or maybe you have one on your phone). Take a picture of the time on your GPS. Drive your car and use the GPS to record the route. Every time you pass a bus stop take a picture. You don't actually need to take a picture of the bus stop, just press the shutter button at the location of the stop. Please ensure you don't affect your own or others' safety. At home, download the pics from your camera and use JOSM's tools to load the pictures you took along the GPS track you recorded. (The first picture is to synchronise the camera clock to the GPS clock). Photo icons will appear at the location each picture was taken. You can add bus stop POIs. If you take an actual picture of the stop then you can add information such as if there is a shelter or seating. Apologies if you know how to do this, but I don't know what experience you have. For this method you need no new software or scripts or tools and you probably have a GPS and a camera already. Others may have better/simpler suggestions. Best wishes, Andrew ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: So, I sit in my car and I need a simple command to run every time I stop outside a bus stop. I'm using a laptop running Ubuntu GNU/Linux with a Neo Freerunner phone with GPS. I need a terminal command to execute at every bus stop. This command should probably create a GPX file or something that containes the positions from the GPS every time I execute the command. It could also be a command to just store latitude and longitude to a comma separated file: 40.70175, -103.68998, First Waypoint 39.28553, -123.79357, Another point 42.49638, -108.72995, And a third Then, I could do: gpsbabel -i csv -f way.csv -o gpx -F way.gpx ..to convert the file to GPX, I guess. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s tn m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@n n ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
On 03/06/2011 01:11 PM, Esben Stien wrote: Esben Stienb...@esben-stien.name writes: So, I sit in my car and I need a simple command to run every time I stop outside a bus stop. I'm using a laptop running Ubuntu GNU/Linux with a Neo Freerunner phone with GPS. I need a terminal command to execute at every bus stop. This command should probably create a GPX file or something that containes the positions from the GPS every time I execute the command. It could also be a command to just store latitude and longitude to a comma separated file: 40.70175, -103.68998, First Waypoint 39.28553, -123.79357, Another point 42.49638, -108.72995, And a third Then, I could do: gpsbabel -i csv -f way.csv -o gpx -F way.gpx ...to convert the file to GPX, I guess. gpxlogger creates gpx file but you have to stop it after start ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have made their mind up one way or the other don't have to read the whole caboodle all over again. cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/odbl-tp6092609p6094042.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
Ok, Don't know an available script to do that, but you can start with GPSD who is a GPS service daemon under linux. http://gpsd.berlios.de/ And some basic client http://linux.die.net/man/1/cgps Simple client script: http://gpsd.berlios.de/client-howto.html ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On 3/6/2011 4:45 AM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: and reading the amateur lawyers on legal-talk arguing with the professional lawyers is a form of amusement that I don't need. Yes, the solution to that problem is to carry on all legal discussions on talk@ ; we all know that no amateur lawyers subscribe to talk@ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On 2011-03-06 10:45, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: All of the lists suffer from endless discussion of the same points with very little action ever occurring - and reading the amateur lawyers on legal-talk arguing with the professional lawyers is a form of amusement that I don't need. But if legal-talk didn't exist wouldn't all these discussions you don't want to see be on this list? Bye, Andreas ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
Can't work on it today, but if you don't find what you need I can help you tomorrow or tuesday. My idea is a Bash shell or python loop, each time you push a key it request gpsd the position fix ( and if you want a small txt) to store in a text file. while true do read -p Press any key to log your fix… [gpsd position request command ],[your fix text] your_logfile.poi.log done Not really difficult I'm just in a hurry today ! See ya ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 6 March 2011 12:27, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: If it's a footway, unless it's clearly designed around foot use first and foremost with bicycle an afterthought, it doesn't allow bicycles unless explicitly tagged bicycle=yes. Otherwise it's a path. Maybe a cycleway if there is indication that it's use is primarily for bicycles. Unless you live where I do, where you are specifically allowed to ride on any footpath unless prohibited (which I've seen about 5 times). You can't make blanket assumptions about defaults for items with no access tags. Stephen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
ant-2 wrote: One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess). Please fix this. If a turn restriction does not apply to cyclists, there's a way to tag that. In the US, bikes are vehicles and are subject to the same laws and regulations, including turn restrictions and oneway streets. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bike-Pedestrian-directions-on-the-MQ-Open-sites-tp6088570p6094408.html Sent from the General Discussion mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] legal-talk Digest, Vol 55, Issue 2 - Storing routes in DB + privacy
Hello, thanks Frederik for your answer. It's exactly as you assumed in your last E-Mail: The reason for storing all the routes of many different people in a DB is to share them again with others in a community. So all users may share routes as well as their actual position with others they want to share their routes and positions with in realtime. I think the interesting point is, that such a route or position is some kind of personal information and it should be up to the user who to share this information with. You wrote: You might have to make it available without regard to the privacy issue. I thank you all a lot for some more ideas to clearify that. Kind regards, Markus I I'm not sure; my guess is that as long as you don't publicly use the database you can keep it under lock and key, but if you should start providing services to the public based on your database (e.g. find routes that other people have traveled!) then you might have to make it available. The picture might become clearer if you can tell us why you are storing the user's routes in a database. Hi, mg040 wrote: Is the database containing all user's personal routes to be put under CC-BY? CC-BY-SA, if anything. The routes are clearly derived works from OSM data (because they will incorporate topology and even OSM geometry). However, if you just display the route to this one user, then the single route is CC-BY-SA, and the only person who has received the route is that one user - the user may now use the route under CC-BY-SA as they please, but that does not mean that you have to show this route (or your whole database) to other people as well. How will change of licence will affect this scenario? I'm not sure; my guess is that as long as you don't publicly use the database you can keep it under lock and key, but if you should start providing services to the public based on your database (e.g. find routes that other people have traveled!) then you might have to make it available. The picture might become clearer if you can tell us why you are storing the user's routes in a database. Bye Frederik ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bus Stop POI File
2011/3/6 Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name: Esben Stien b...@esben-stien.name writes: I'm using a laptop running Ubuntu GNU/Linux with a Neo Freerunner phone with GPS. you should give the surveyor-plugin with the livegps-plugin in JOSM a try. It allows to directly map (set waypoints ) with a keystroke. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
Experience teaches us that unless something consumes a not so common tag, it won't get tagged much. Once a tag is consumed by something highly visible like a renderer or a router it's use will increase. Meanwhile if the MQ bike router would know about except=bicycle and someone complains about it not ignoring a certain turn restriction, we can tell them to fix the tagging / have the tagging fixed. If it would ignore all turn restrictions when doing bikerouting, then there is no way of creating valid routes in countries where the turn restrictions are valid for bicycles. Oh, on what is your assumption based that in most countries turn restrictions don't apply to bicycles? Did you check may countries? -- m.v.g., Cartinus On Sunday 06 March 2011 10:23:22 ant wrote: Hi, On 05.03.2011 23:46, Cartinus wrote: On Saturday 05 March 2011 21:12:43 ant wrote: One more thing... it seems that turn restrictions are regarded--although they generally don't apply to cyclists (in most countries I guess). Please fix this. They should be regarded unless there is a tag except=bicycle on the restriction relation. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Restriction which is used... 666 times! http://taginfo.openstreetmap.de/keys/except#values What you're saying isn't wrong. But it's useless for bicycle routing with the current use of tags and the current quality of the cycleway network. Even in the best-mapped countries most of the roads still miss information about bicycle access permissions, let alone separately mapped cycleways. So the only situation I'd enforce a turn restriction in is when the road is tagged bicycle=lane. Otherwise I'd ignore it. cheers ant ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote: and include motorways and trunks where not tagged bicycle=no for die-hard utility cycling) for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For trunk roads (and other roads as well) there is also the tag motorroad=yes which prohibits cycling. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports
Peter Budny writes: I find this discussion very distasteful. That's because nobody is talking about the REAL solution. OpenStreetMap is the place for user-edited volunteered geographic information. It's NOT the place for importing information which would be nonsensical if a user edited it. The REAL solution is to have a ClosedStreetMap.org, which publishes data in the same format under the same license using the same tag set using the same API as OpenStreetMap, only it publishes read-only data. Some of the imports that I've done (NYC bike racks, NYS DEC lands, and NYS State Parks, which I'm currently working on), the data is maintained elsewhere. It useful to have for OpenStreetMap users, but not for OpenStreetMap editors. Why? Because for at least the last two, the boundaries are off in the middle of sometimes very dense woods, are not necessarily marked by signs, if signs are present they are not authoritative, and the original source of the data is a legal description, and no hand editing can change that. So take all these data sets, and their transformative programs, create .osm files out of them, and throw them into a database. When you get updates, rebuild the database. There's a few problems with the idea, e.g. what if somebody adds something to OSM that's already in CSM? Or, what if the data, although published from an authoritative source, is dirty? How does OSM override data in CSM? But I think there are fewer problems than the current system of one person dumping in megabytes for which there is no practical means of updating with another import. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports
Have you considered that the goal of OSM is creating a free (as speach) map of the whole world... I think your view is not so close to the project goal.. 2011/3/6, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Peter Budny writes: I find this discussion very distasteful. That's because nobody is talking about the REAL solution. OpenStreetMap is the place for user-edited volunteered geographic information. It's NOT the place for importing information which would be nonsensical if a user edited it. The REAL solution is to have a ClosedStreetMap.org, which publishes data in the same format under the same license using the same tag set using the same API as OpenStreetMap, only it publishes read-only data. Some of the imports that I've done (NYC bike racks, NYS DEC lands, and NYS State Parks, which I'm currently working on), the data is maintained elsewhere. It useful to have for OpenStreetMap users, but not for OpenStreetMap editors. Why? Because for at least the last two, the boundaries are off in the middle of sometimes very dense woods, are not necessarily marked by signs, if signs are present they are not authoritative, and the original source of the data is a legal description, and no hand editing can change that. So take all these data sets, and their transformative programs, create .osm files out of them, and throw them into a database. When you get updates, rebuild the database. There's a few problems with the idea, e.g. what if somebody adds something to OSM that's already in CSM? Or, what if the data, although published from an authoritative source, is dirty? How does OSM override data in CSM? But I think there are fewer problems than the current system of one person dumping in megabytes for which there is no practical means of updating with another import. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Inviato dal mio dispositivo mobile Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports
Hi, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: Have you considered that the goal of OSM is creating a free (as speach) map of the whole world... I think your view is not so close to the project goal.. It is certainly not the project goal to import every last scrap of free data no matter how irrelevant it is to editors. I think Russ is right; although I'd like to think maybe we don't need a ClosedStreetMap.org but just an easier way for people to add stuf from third-party sources to the maps they produce. (The name ClosedStreetMap probably tripped you, Fabio; Russ didn't mean closed data, he meant data that is open but doesn't make sense to edit in OSM. And by almost any definition, data that cannot sensibly be edited by OSMers should not be in OSM.) Bye Frederik 2011/3/6, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Peter Budny writes: I find this discussion very distasteful. That's because nobody is talking about the REAL solution. OpenStreetMap is the place for user-edited volunteered geographic information. It's NOT the place for importing information which would be nonsensical if a user edited it. The REAL solution is to have a ClosedStreetMap.org, which publishes data in the same format under the same license using the same tag set using the same API as OpenStreetMap, only it publishes read-only data. Some of the imports that I've done (NYC bike racks, NYS DEC lands, and NYS State Parks, which I'm currently working on), the data is maintained elsewhere. It useful to have for OpenStreetMap users, but not for OpenStreetMap editors. Why? Because for at least the last two, the boundaries are off in the middle of sometimes very dense woods, are not necessarily marked by signs, if signs are present they are not authoritative, and the original source of the data is a legal description, and no hand editing can change that. So take all these data sets, and their transformative programs, create .osm files out of them, and throw them into a database. When you get updates, rebuild the database. There's a few problems with the idea, e.g. what if somebody adds something to OSM that's already in CSM? Or, what if the data, although published from an authoritative source, is dirty? How does OSM override data in CSM? But I think there are fewer problems than the current system of one person dumping in megabytes for which there is no practical means of updating with another import. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Boundary editing (was Zero tolerance on imports)
I have been thinking about this lately as well. In particular city/county boundaries. I realize this is specific to the US but the way a lot of our boundaries were imported from TIGER data makes them very prone to well meaning but ultimately bad edits by mappers. Basically, there is ALWAYS a node whenever one TIGER feature crosses another, regardless of what kind of feature it is. This leads to duplicate nodes sitting on top of each other which the various validators complain about. So people tend to merge them to appease the validator which is often not the right thing to do. For example, I've been working in the Kansas City area a lot, expanding roads to dual carriageways. When a boundary is merged with a road and I move the carriageway, the boundary is now wrong and must be un-merged and re-centered between the carriageways. I have also seen another local mapper trying to do weird things with the city boundary that ended up breaking things. While I don't think boundary data should somehow be untouchable by some mappers I do think that most of the time when new mappers touch a boundary, they do it by mistake and introduce errors. When I am doing normal editing I usually have a JOSM filter enabled to hide boundaries because I don't care/know/want to touch them. What about making such a filter default in the popular editors? If someone WANTS to edit a boundary, they can disable the filter. Otherwise it is read-only for normal editing. This is kind of a hack to implement a layers concept from traditional GIS applications but it would be easy to do. Toby On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 12:38 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Fabio Alessandro Locati wrote: Have you considered that the goal of OSM is creating a free (as speach) map of the whole world... I think your view is not so close to the project goal.. It is certainly not the project goal to import every last scrap of free data no matter how irrelevant it is to editors. I think Russ is right; although I'd like to think maybe we don't need a ClosedStreetMap.org but just an easier way for people to add stuf from third-party sources to the maps they produce. (The name ClosedStreetMap probably tripped you, Fabio; Russ didn't mean closed data, he meant data that is open but doesn't make sense to edit in OSM. And by almost any definition, data that cannot sensibly be edited by OSMers should not be in OSM.) Bye Frederik 2011/3/6, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com: Peter Budny writes: I find this discussion very distasteful. That's because nobody is talking about the REAL solution. OpenStreetMap is the place for user-edited volunteered geographic information. It's NOT the place for importing information which would be nonsensical if a user edited it. The REAL solution is to have a ClosedStreetMap.org, which publishes data in the same format under the same license using the same tag set using the same API as OpenStreetMap, only it publishes read-only data. Some of the imports that I've done (NYC bike racks, NYS DEC lands, and NYS State Parks, which I'm currently working on), the data is maintained elsewhere. It useful to have for OpenStreetMap users, but not for OpenStreetMap editors. Why? Because for at least the last two, the boundaries are off in the middle of sometimes very dense woods, are not necessarily marked by signs, if signs are present they are not authoritative, and the original source of the data is a legal description, and no hand editing can change that. So take all these data sets, and their transformative programs, create .osm files out of them, and throw them into a database. When you get updates, rebuild the database. There's a few problems with the idea, e.g. what if somebody adds something to OSM that's already in CSM? Or, what if the data, although published from an authoritative source, is dirty? How does OSM override data in CSM? But I think there are fewer problems than the current system of one person dumping in megabytes for which there is no practical means of updating with another import. -- --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 03/06/2011 11:21 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: On 03/04/2011 08:04 AM, Antony Pegg wrote: and include motorways and trunks where not tagged bicycle=no for die-hard utility cycling) for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For trunk roads (and other roads as well) there is also the tag motorroad=yes which prohibits cycling. As has been repeatedly pointed out, most North American states and provinces permit bicycles on motorways and trunks, and where they're not, they're explicitly posted otherwise. bicycle=no isn't a safe assumption for freeways in north america. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports
Russ, You are spot on with this. I don't think UK contributors would currently be madly tracing OS data into OSM if it was easy to produce a complete UK map from OSM surveyed data with the missing bits filled in from the OS dataset. Until better tools are available people are going to keep importing stuff regardless of the ultimate benefit to the project. Kevin On 6 March 2011 17:39, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: That's because nobody is talking about the REAL solution. OpenStreetMap is the place for user-edited volunteered geographic information. It's NOT the place for importing information which would be nonsensical if a user edited it. snip ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On Sun, 06 Mar 2011 13:01:57 +0100 Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: All of the lists suffer from endless discussion of the same points with very little action ever occurring - and reading the amateur lawyers on legal-talk arguing with the professional lawyers is a form of amusement that I don't need. But if legal-talk didn't exist wouldn't all these discussions you don't want to see be on this list? You can make that argument if you like. legal-talk does exist, and no one is proposing to shut it down. This is the description of this list, from the mailman list talkOpenStreetMap user discussion It doesn't finish with unless there is another list which might cover the situation. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On Sun, 6 Mar 2011 03:45:45 -0800 (PST) Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have made their mind up one way or the other don't have to read the whole caboodle all over again. cheers Richard Once again, there is not any hope that a clear explanation in Plain English will appear to a request on legal-talk. There is not a prohibition on asking these questions on /talk/, just a determined effort by a small number of people to ensure that discussion on /talk/ is limited, which is not part of the description of /talk/. The fact that the question appears each month, from somebody new, shows me that the question never gets answered in a satisfactory manner. There are still a large number of unanswered questions. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary editing (was Zero tolerance on imports)
Hi Toby. Am 06.03.2011 20:19, schrieb Toby Murray: When I am doing normal editing I usually have a JOSM filter enabled to hide boundaries because I don't care/know/want to touch them. What about making such a filter default in the popular editors? If someone WANTS to edit a boundary, they can disable the filter. Otherwise it is read-only for normal editing. This is kind of a hack to implement a layers concept from traditional GIS applications but it would be easy to do. These filters would not solve the problem. If boundaries are filtered and not displayed, moving a way with a common node leads to the same error - but as the boundary is not displayed, it's even harder to recognize the error. A warning by moving the residential highway X you moved the administrative boundary Y, too. Was that your intention? [Yes, keep it] [No, please revert and select the common node] would be better perhaps; But: I'm not sure if that's possible in general for moving operations, or if there are issues where that question is not useful e.g. because the secondary motion is usually intended at these issues. regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary editing (was Zero tolerance on imports)
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: These filters would not solve the problem. If boundaries are filtered and not displayed, moving a way with a common node leads to the same error - but as the boundary is not displayed, it's even harder to recognize the error. Well true, it would make it more difficult if things are already broken. But it would help prevent people from breaking things in the first place. That was the goal of my suggestion. People who don't know about filtering, shared nodes, etc and are just doing a casual edit may not even know what to do with an error message like that anyway so we may just have to live with those problems. But if you can nip them in the bud... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary editing (was Zero tolerance on imports)
Toby Murray toby.murray at gmail.com writes: Basically, there is ALWAYS a node whenever one TIGER feature crosses another, regardless of what kind of feature it is. This leads to duplicate nodes sitting on top of each other which the various validators complain about. So people tend to merge them to appease the validator which is often not the right thing to do. For example, I've been working in the Kansas City area a lot, expanding roads to dual carriageways. When a boundary is merged with a road and I move the carriageway, the boundary is now wrong and must be un-merged and re-centered between the carriageways. Perhaps the answer is to remove some of the spurious nodes which were automatically added, when they are at the intersection of two straight lines (in other words, when removing the node would not change the path of any ways that currently include it). Certainly having duplicate nodes on top of each other is asking for trouble. If there's no need for a node to be there, better not to have it. Of course, such a cleanup of bogus TIGER nodes would itself be a bulk edit and would need to be checked very carefully and perhaps tried on a small area first. -- Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Boundary editing (was Zero tolerance on imports)
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Ed Avis e...@waniasset.com wrote: Perhaps the answer is to remove some of the spurious nodes which were automatically added, when they are at the intersection of two straight lines (in other words, when removing the node would not change the path of any ways that currently include it). Certainly having duplicate nodes on top of each other is asking for trouble. If there's no need for a node to be there, better not to have it. Yes. I finally got fed up with all the problems in Kansas City and did this last night. Got rid of about 1,300 nodes. http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7470442 Not sure if there would be a good/accurate way of doing it with a bot. I used a couple of filters in JOSM to help me out. Nothing bulk about it :) Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] odbl
On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 03:45 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have made their mind up one way or the other don't have to read the whole caboodle all over again. What about the important reading who those havent made up their mind, or are worried about their liability if they agree to be bound by the new licence? Maybe what is needed, is a list for these discussions, which isnt so legal-focused, so that the laymen can actually understand what theyre involved in, or maybe instead of 100 people telling someone off for asking a question, one person could give a clear and precise answer and nip these threads in the bud from the start. Honestly, I couldnt give a rats rear-end if someone thinks that subsection 3.7b(c) should have its own title, or that the wording of 'OSM user' should be changed to 'OSM contributor' or the like. Whether that is what is discussed on legal-talk, I dont know as I dont subscribe, but given its name, its only natural to assume so.. What I care about is the big picture of what will happen to all our data and the project in general, looking toward the future. Given the entire project will undergo massive sweeping changes in only 3 weeks, shouldnt this issue be at the forefront of current OSM discussions, or will people start trying to sort out the problems after theyve happened, rather than stopping them in the first place? Im as tired as anyone about these endless threads, but until someone is prepared to give some clear cut answers to peoples simple honest questions, I fear they'll continue. Some have tried to give helpful answers, but others seem to get off on playing the power game and achieve nothing but division within our community. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 8:11 PM, ant antof...@gmail.com wrote: Give more options! How about a safety slider from very safe to break-neck? Presets for racing bike, trekking bike, mountainbike? Avoid pedestrian areas? Avoid side roads and paths (useful in winter)? Yeah, it seems you don't get far in this stuff before having to distinguish all the different types and purposes of cycling. And then the ambiguities of terms like mountain bike, which can refer both to a more rugged bike, or to a whole separate sport. (ie, just because you tick the mountain bike box, do you want to be directed down muddy single track?) Steve ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For trunk roads (and other roads as well) there is also the tag motorroad=yes which prohibits cycling. As has been repeatedly pointed out, most North American states and provinces permit bicycles on motorways and trunks, and where they're not, they're explicitly posted otherwise. Last time I read a discussion about bicycles on interstates the only known spot where they were allowed in the US was some few miles on one rural interstate highway (where there was if I recall right no other alternative route for many miles). For trunk roads the situation is different, but the nature of motorways is to restrict traffic for slow vehicles: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highway_systems_with_full_control_of_access_and_no_cross_traffic the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges. In my reading every highway which is not limited access should not be tagged as motorway, be it in north america or elsewhere. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 03/06/2011 06:47 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/6 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: for motorways it is generally assumed that bikes can't use them, there you should look for bicycle=yes IMHO. For trunk roads (and other roads as well) there is also the tag motorroad=yes which prohibits cycling. As has been repeatedly pointed out, most North American states and provinces permit bicycles on motorways and trunks, and where they're not, they're explicitly posted otherwise. Last time I read a discussion about bicycles on interstates the only known spot where they were allowed in the US was some few miles on one rural interstate highway (where there was if I recall right no other alternative route for many miles). That is the case in California, but it's pretty well established in conventional wisdom that they're collectively little off in general, being a rare example of a state that permits cyclists on a single freeway, and otherwise hates on them as a rule. In most states and the vast majority of provinces, bicycles are generally permitted except on older sections that lack proper shoulders or have exceptionally difficult-to-cross ramps, in which case it's explicitly posted at the entrance to this effect anyway. As a rule in the US and Canada, all modes are permitted unless explicitly excluded per the MUTCD. Only 23 states and as far as I'm aware no provinces ban bicycles on all freeways (all of them east of the Mississippi, and most of them with Atlantic Ocean frontage), and in the states where they are banned, it's posted at the entrance ramps to that effect if they want to be compliant with the MUTCD (a requirement for federal highway funding). Alberta and British Columbia actually have bicycle facilities built into the design of the TransCanada Highway sharing pavement with motorists, with signs, if not special over/underpasses at entry and exit ramps to facilitate ramp crossings for cyclists. the wiki states for the USA http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway motorway = Limited access freeway with interchanges. In my reading every highway which is not limited access should not be tagged as motorway, be it in north america or elsewhere. Limited access refers to physical access, not access by mode. There's a limited number of intersections (if any), and no driveways (unless there's physically no other way to get to that parcel). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: In most states and the vast majority of provinces, bicycles are generally permitted except on older sections that lack proper shoulders or have exceptionally difficult-to-cross ramps, in which case it's explicitly posted at the entrance to this effect anyway. As a rule in the US and Canada, all modes are permitted unless explicitly excluded per the MUTCD. Only 23 states and as far as I'm aware no provinces ban bicycles on all freeways that's the rules for freeways then, not for motorways. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: In most states and the vast majority of provinces, bicycles are generally permitted except on older sections that lack proper shoulders or have exceptionally difficult-to-cross ramps, in which case it's explicitly posted at the entrance to this effect anyway. As a rule in the US and Canada, all modes are permitted unless explicitly excluded per the MUTCD. Only 23 states and as far as I'm aware no provinces ban bicycles on all freeways that's the rules for freeways then, not for motorways. OK, so.. this isn't a motorway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5 Save for brief segments in Oregon and Washington, it's open to bicycles it's entire length. Or this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_84_(west) Open to bicycles even in cities except where there's difficult to cross ramps or a lack of shoulders. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Timeline for phase3 and so on. (Re: odbl)
OK then, I'm not asking for any legalese interpretation here, just the time-line for the succeeding phases of implementation. No fixed date was given for phase 3 in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan#PHASE_3_-_Existing_Contributor_Mandatory_Re-licensing_.28Phase_2_.2B_5_or_10_weeks.29 However, the OSMF minutes have set it already on March 31st: https://docs.google.com/View?id=d38xqz5_6fj2bcdcm Is this posted in the announce or legal list? On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 7:43 AM, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Sun, 2011-03-06 at 03:45 -0800, Richard Fairhurst wrote: Joseph Reeves wrote: without explaining in layman's terms what this means. http://old.opengeodata.org/2008/01/07/the-licence-where-we-are-where-were-going/index.html Follow-ups to legal-talk please, so that those here who have made their mind up one way or the other don't have to read the whole caboodle all over again. What about the important reading who those havent made up their mind, or are worried about their liability if they agree to be bound by the new licence? Maybe what is needed, is a list for these discussions, which isnt so legal-focused, so that the laymen can actually understand what theyre involved in, or maybe instead of 100 people telling someone off for asking a question, one person could give a clear and precise answer and nip these threads in the bud from the start. Honestly, I couldnt give a rats rear-end if someone thinks that subsection 3.7b(c) should have its own title, or that the wording of 'OSM user' should be changed to 'OSM contributor' or the like. Whether that is what is discussed on legal-talk, I dont know as I dont subscribe, but given its name, its only natural to assume so.. What I care about is the big picture of what will happen to all our data and the project in general, looking toward the future. Given the entire project will undergo massive sweeping changes in only 3 weeks, shouldnt this issue be at the forefront of current OSM discussions, or will people start trying to sort out the problems after theyve happened, rather than stopping them in the first place? Im as tired as anyone about these endless threads, but until someone is prepared to give some clear cut answers to peoples simple honest questions, I fear they'll continue. Some have tried to give helpful answers, but others seem to get off on playing the power game and achieve nothing but division within our community. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
I live in the Southeast USA, and have never seen an Interstate on-ramp that lacked signs forbidding all non-motorized traffic, as well as motor-driven cycles (the official term for mopeds). Some non-Interstate limited-access freeways allow bicycles, some don't. As far as I know, the only US Interstates that allow bicycles are in the Western United States. Motorway is not a standard term in US English, except as people have borrowed the term from British usage. I gather that it is a legal term-of-art in the UK. I don't know any details about its use in Canada. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites From :mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org Date :Sun Mar 06 19:21:03 America/Chicago 2011 On 03/06/2011 07:13 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/3/7 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: In most states and the vast majority of provinces, bicycles are generally permitted except on older sections that lack proper shoulders or have exceptionally difficult-to-cross ramps, in which case it's explicitly posted at the entrance to this effect anyway. As a rule in the US and Canada, all modes are permitted unless explicitly excluded per the MUTCD. Only 23 states and as far as I'm aware no provinces ban bicycles on all freeways that's the rules for freeways then, not for motorways. OK, so.. this isn't a motorway? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_5 Save for brief segments in Oregon and Washington, it's open to bicycles it's entire length. Or this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_84_(west) Open to bicycles even in cities except where there's difficult to cross ramps or a lack of shoulders. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQOpen sites
Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama all have substantial portions west of the Appalachians, and all three forbid bicycle traffic on Interstate highways. Are you redefining west of the Appalachians to mean west of the Mississippi River? ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQOpen sites From :mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org Date :Sun Mar 06 21:27:57 America/Chicago 2011 On 03/06/2011 07:51 PM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: As far as I know, the only US Interstates that allow bicycles are in the Western United States. Other way around, generally disallowing bicycles is purely an eastern-seaboard US thing in North America. Get west of the Appalachians, and it's generally open to bicycles. ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQOpen sites
You are trying to shift the goalposts, from the topic of allowing bicycles on Interstates to the more general topic of allowing bicycles on limited-access highways. Tennessee specifically forbids use of the Interstates by non-motorized traffic. Since bicycles don't have motors, this excludes them. Motor-driven cycles (mopeds and motorized bicycles) are also specifically forbidden, presumably because laws require that they have governors limiting them to a low rate of speed. If need be, I will take a photo of one of the on-ramp signs and post it to the list. ---Original Email--- Subject :Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQOpen sites From :mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org Date :Sun Mar 06 21:53:22 America/Chicago 2011 On 03/06/2011 09:38 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: More like west of the Mississippi. I can't even think of a single state east of Colorado or Oklahoma that allows bicycles on limited-access freeways. Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Tennessee come to mind right off. ___ Talk-us mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Reserve your right to think, for even to think wrongly is better than not to think at all. -- Hypatia of Alexandria ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
False. Bicycles are not allowed on interstates in Indiana. I'm not sure with the other states, but I highly doubt Ohio allows them either. -Original Message- From: Paul Johnson [mailto:ba...@ursamundi.org] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 22:53 To: talk...@openstreetmap.org Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites On 03/06/2011 09:38 PM, Kristian Zoerhoff wrote: More like west of the Mississippi. I can't even think of a single state east of Colorado or Oklahoma that allows bicycles on limited-access freeways. Ohio, Michigan, Indiana and Tennessee come to mind right off. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQ Open sites
I'm really not sure why this is being debated so hotly but here is a site that sums things up nicely: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/?doc_id=2616 Toby ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Bike / Pedestrian directions on the MQOpen sites
On 03/06/2011 10:14 PM, Kristina Brushoff wrote: On Sun, Mar 6, 2011 at 10:07 PM, john-9MCv/xdxszskmlvzuzl...@public.gmane.org wrote: You are trying to shift the goalposts, from the topic of allowing bicycles on Interstates to the more general topic of allowing bicycles on limited-access highways. I'm not aware of any state that treats non-interstate freeways differently from interstate freeways; a freeway is a freeway, at least in the Midwest and Great Lakes. Same as the way I see it. The freeway (way) is separate than the Interstate (route) that traverses it. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Zero tolerance on imports
On 06. 03. 11 19:38, Frederik Ramm wrote: (The name ClosedStreetMap probably tripped you, Fabio; Russ didn't mean closed data, he meant data that is open but doesn't make sense to edit in OSM. And by almost any definition, data that cannot sensibly be edited by OSMers should not be in OSM.) I must admit that I overlook this idea a little, I thought that ClosedStreetMap was ironic. Maybe PublicDatasourceStreetMap could help for this idea to develop? Yves ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wormtails
Gelukt! Zitten nog wel wat schoonheidsfoutjes in zoals de link naar de gebruiker's pagina en ondanks dat de full-experimental 20110115 als datum heeft stopt de grafiek ogenschijnlijk bij november 2010. http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Eindhoven_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg On Sunday 06 March 2011 13:28:38 Tim Blokdijk wrote: Ik ben wel benieuwd naar die wormtrail van Eindhoven. :-) Met Vriendelijke Groeten, Tim Blokdijk ICT en Procescoördinator Stichting Thuiszorg De Sleutel Nieuwe Fellenoord 38, 5612 KD Eindhoven Tel. 040-2489669 Oliver Heesakkers schreef op za 05-03-2011 om 11:44 [+0100]: On Friday 04 March 2011 14:28:07 Martijn van Exel wrote: Degene die zo'n mooie wormtail van Amsterdam maakt krijgt van mij een drankje naar keuze bij de volgende meetup. http://eric.marsden.free.fr/osm/wormtrails/paris.html Heb je zelf al een geschikte uitsnede van Amsterdam uit de full- experimental? Ik ben nu aan het testen, maar de osmosis stap om Eindhoven krap uit te snijden[1] duurt al uren op deze machine. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=51.4979maxlon=5.5372minlat=51.4031minlon=5.3999 ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wormtails
On Friday 04 March 2011 14:28:07 Martijn van Exel wrote: Degene die zo'n mooie wormtail van Amsterdam maakt krijgt van mij een drankje naar keuze bij de volgende meetup. http://eric.marsden.free.fr/osm/wormtrails/paris.html En dan waar het allemaal om ging ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=52.5maxlon=5.1minlat=52.2minlon=4.7 ) de output voor Amsterdam: http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Amsterdam_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg De datum-balk houdt weliswaar op bij 2010-11, maar ik heb in de Eindhoven-output kunnen constateren dat de laatste column wel degelijk gegevens uit januari bevat. ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wormtails
On Sunday 06 March 2011 22:16:49 Oliver Heesakkers wrote: On Friday 04 March 2011 14:28:07 Martijn van Exel wrote: Degene die zo'n mooie wormtail van Amsterdam maakt krijgt van mij een drankje naar keuze bij de volgende meetup. http://eric.marsden.free.fr/osm/wormtrails/paris.html En dan waar het allemaal om ging ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=52.5maxlon=5.1minlat=52.2minlon=4.7 ) de output voor Amsterdam: http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Amsterdam_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg De datum-balk houdt weliswaar op bij 2010-11, maar ik heb in de Eindhoven-output kunnen constateren dat de laatste column wel degelijk gegevens uit januari bevat. Na enig contact met Eric Marsden heeft hij zijn code gecorrigeerd. De nieuwe uitvoer is nu beschikbaar onder dezelfde links. Het verschil is vrij groot, de tijdbalk klopt nog niet helemaal, maar het komt wel dichter in de buurt voor zover ik kan zien. http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Eindhoven_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Amsterdam_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Wormtails
Ha Oliver, Mooi werk! Wil je er een kort stukje over op blog.openstreetmap.nl schrijven? Of zal ik het doen? Laat je ze beschikbaar op die plek? Hoe kwam je nou zo snel aan die extracten? Op mijn thuismachine pruttelt-ie nu nog steeds! Martijn 2011/3/7 Oliver Heesakkers o...@heesakkers.info: On Sunday 06 March 2011 22:16:49 Oliver Heesakkers wrote: On Friday 04 March 2011 14:28:07 Martijn van Exel wrote: Degene die zo'n mooie wormtail van Amsterdam maakt krijgt van mij een drankje naar keuze bij de volgende meetup. http://eric.marsden.free.fr/osm/wormtrails/paris.html En dan waar het allemaal om ging ( http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesmaxlat=52.5maxlon=5.1minlat=52.2minlon=4.7 ) de output voor Amsterdam: http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Amsterdam_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg De datum-balk houdt weliswaar op bij 2010-11, maar ik heb in de Eindhoven-output kunnen constateren dat de laatste column wel degelijk gegevens uit januari bevat. Na enig contact met Eric Marsden heeft hij zijn code gecorrigeerd. De nieuwe uitvoer is nu beschikbaar onder dezelfde links. Het verschil is vrij groot, de tijdbalk klopt nog niet helemaal, maar het komt wel dichter in de buurt voor zover ik kan zien. http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Eindhoven_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg http://heesakkers.info/showandtell/Amsterdam_Wormtrail-201101151800.svg ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl -- Martijn van Exel http://about.me/mvexel ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
Re: [Talk-de] Sachen nicht mappen um sie zu schützen? (archaeological_site)
Hallo Frederik, ich komme grad von einer Wikipedia-Tagung. Wir sprachen darüber, warum wir bei OSM ein so tolle Klima haben, und woran das bei Wikipedia wohl so oft scheitert. Ein entscheidender Vorteil von OSM: *bei OSM ist jeder persönlich verantwortlich* - wir haben /keine/ zentrale Instanz - wir haben /keine/ Relevanzkriterien Und wir haben es geschafft, dass wir als Gemeinschaft erfolgreich eine brauchbeare Datenstruktur schaffen: Niemand legitimiert irgendwas, was Du tust. Wenn Dein Gewissen Dich zwingt, irgendetwas zu loeschen, was jemand anders eingetragen hat, dann tu das - aber Du musst dann eben auch die Verantwortung fuer die Konsequenzen uebernehmen Ich bin stolz auf diese Kultur! Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Bilder in OSM
Bisher wird image=URL verwendet. Gibt es dazu schon differenziertere Überlegungen? Macht es Sinn, die grossen Bilderdatenbanken: - Commons - Flickr - ... zu unterscheiden? image:commons=URL bzw image:flickr=URL oder commons=URL bzw flickr=URL Vielleicht macht es Sinn, für Commons Interwikilinks zu verwenden? (so wie wir das beim OSM-Wiki schon machen) Gibt es schon Ideen, wie man mehrere Bilder für ein Objekt verlinken kann? (z.B. verschiedene Perspektiven) Gruss, Markus ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Hausnummern zuordnen
Wie macht ihre? Wie bekommt ihr raus welche Hausnummer zu welcher Straße gehört? Ich denke in Städten ist das kein Problem, aber schon in Außenbezirken, bei loser BAusweise, erst recht hie auf den Dörfern. Ich bin hier oft am raten, wozu könnte das Haus gehören (... Glück gehabt, war jemand im Garten ;) ) oft ist es auch kompliziert wenn 2 STraßen aneinander stoßen - die Hausnummer könnte zur eine und zur anderen Straße passen... wie ich festgestellt haben kann mensch sich auch nicht an der Einfahrt oder an der Haustür orientieren.. Und dann gibts noch die Häuser die schön in der einen Straße eingereiht sind aber genau zur parallelen gehören, oder die Einfahrt ganz irgentwo anders ist DIe armen Briefträger und Packetzusteller ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Bilder in OSM
im URL steht doch schon alles drin (wo das Bild ist und wie es heisst, ...). wenn du das schon unbedigt nochmal extra angeben willst, dann allerhöchstens als zusätzlichen Tag und keinenfalls als eigenen Key. Als Programmierer kann ich zusätzliche Tags einfach ignorieren; neue Keys muss ich aber auf jeden Fall in meine Software einbauen, damit die Bilder überhaupt gefunden werden. Gruss Walter http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Locator - 33,33% aller Statistiken beruhen auf kleinen Datenmengen. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Bilder-in-OSM-tp6093941p6094206.html Sent from the Germany mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern zuordnen
Am 06.03.2011 12:51, Steffen Heinz: Wie macht ihre? Wie bekommt ihr raus welche Hausnummer zu welcher Straße gehört? Ich denke in Städten ist das kein Problem, aber schon in Außenbezirken, bei loser BAusweise, erst recht hie auf den Dörfern. Ich bin hier oft am raten, wozu könnte das Haus gehören (... Glück gehabt, war jemand im Garten ;) ) oft ist es auch kompliziert wenn 2 STraßen aneinander stoßen - die Hausnummer könnte zur eine und zur anderen Straße passen... wie ich festgestellt haben kann mensch sich auch nicht an der Einfahrt oder an der Haustür orientieren.. Und dann gibts noch die Häuser die schön in der einen Straße eingereiht sind aber genau zur parallelen gehören, oder die Einfahrt ganz irgentwo anders ist DIe armen Briefträger und Packetzusteller Meist kann ich das über den Kontext (fortlaufende Nummerierung einer Straße) einordnen. Klappt das nicht, dann frag' ich einen Anwohner. Klappt das nicht trage ich nur die Nummer ein. Jemand der mehr weiß, wird es nach mir richten. Claudius ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Hausnummern zuordnen
Am 6. März 2011 14:52 schrieb Claudius claudiu...@gmx.de: Am 06.03.2011 12:51, Steffen Heinz: ... Glück gehabt, war jemand im Garten ;) ) Meist kann ich das über den Kontext (fortlaufende Nummerierung einer Straße) einordnen. Klappt das nicht, dann frag' ich einen Anwohner. Klappt das nicht trage ich nur die Nummer ein. genau, unsere Stärke ist ja unter anderem gerade die manpower. Wir können die Leute vor Ort direkt fragen, weil wir auch selbst vor Ort sind. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
Am 5. März 2011 18:58 schrieb Andreas Labres l...@lab.at: On 05.03.11 16:47, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Ich habe im Hilfeforum gelesen, dass man U-Turns auch über einen Way anstatt einen Node machen kann, aber wann macht das denn Sinn? Gibt das nicht Probleme, wenn man den Way splittet? Ich sehe bei einer Kreuzung, wo ein Zweig mit getrennten Ways je Fahrtrichtung gemappt sind (und somit ein Stückchen der querenden Straße die Kreuzung darstellt), keinen andere Möglichkeit, dieses no-U-turn darzustellen. | -+... | -+... | ich sehe da gar keinen U-Turn. angenommen, ich fahre auf dem oberen Weg von rechts nach links, dann darf ich entweder links abbiegen in die Querstraße oder nicht (turn-restriction). Wenn ich dann an der Gegenrichtung ankomme, darf ich entweder links abbiegen oder nicht (turnrestriction). Ob ich auf der Querstraße selbst wenden darf oder nicht, wäre wieder nur ein U-Turn mit einem Node (oder nur ein tag auf dem Weg. wenden verboten). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Innenfläche wird nicht dargestellt
Am 5. März 2011 19:30 schrieb Chris66 chris66...@gmx.de: Naja, das übliche MP Chaos. ;-) Meine Vermutung: wenn Tags außer type=multipolygon an der Relation hängen (in diesem Fall comment=...), dann gelten die Tags am Outer-Way für die Gesamtfläche und nicht nur für die Differnzfläche. So jedenfalls kann man die MP Beschreibung im Wiki interpretieren. m.E. sollte man klar verständlich taggen, d.h. dass grundsätzlich tags an einem way für diesen way gelten, und tags in einer Multipolygon-Relation für diese Relation, also die Fläche der outer ways minus der Fläche der inner ways. Dann gibt es auch kein Chaos und die mir bekannten Renderer haben normalerweise keine Probleme damit. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Where a place has no name ....
Am 5. März 2011 20:23 schrieb Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de: Am 05.03.2011 11:35, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Ich vermute mal, er möchte diese Punkte dann entweder löschen oder mit einem Namen versehen. soweit kann ich ja noch folgen, nur: wo bekommt Jan die Namen her? Ich habe mir mal einen Node angesehen, der als locality getaggt ist und keinen Namen hat (kleine Liste für einen Teil Europas unten). Der erste ist Teil eines Flusses und zusätzlich mit note=former bridge destroyed getaggt, ich vermute mal, dass auch die anderen dieser Nodes ähnliche Fälle darstellen. Sollte man dort das place=locality löschen? Place hat nunmal in osm diese Mehrfachbedeutung (Siedlungen aber auch einfach Ort, z.B. island und locality, und auch Länder und Kontinente). Gruß Martin PS: Ein paar Nodes, wo das oben gesagte zutrifft: 14075089 1079060349 448942498 616102418 293467274 903138388 301325987 301325991 301327722 470212249 309427148 309427149 454351205 309427145 309427146 309427142 309427143 309427144 309427150 309427156 309427158 309427165 309427161 302848626 926333189 928456865 528021384 528021368 598079945 454109165 ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Where a place has no name ....
Hier mal noch weltweit (Stand vor ca. 1-2 Wochen) die place=city ohne Namen, das erste ist von denen schon gelöscht: 26613504 360565733 150973720 848318728 821938700 618151560 387409696 583029163 956520573 421557126 304993392 663749650 291747395 951467448 1049038404 856792586 1083860721 67254456 27043320 614825305 1094032138 27565097 270873411 191891797 36305941 734945208 734945207 599019138 669920318 94059996 922818608 271909330 279821922 244081031 458171487 244082494 539078426 544365356 894114193 894114194 340277091 2 Habe ich gefunden für place=country 614828607 823750101 3 für state: 614826063 614831171 614829431 das sind ein paar villages: 63626435 391013682 667076979 1086892123 59774451 251992300 64777115 875881551 902583982 902583981 818778811 796295892 Gruß Martin und viel Spass beim Mappen. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Where a place has no name ....
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 06.03.2011 18:43, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 5. März 2011 20:23 schrieb Rainer Kluge rklug...@web.de: Ich vermute mal, er möchte diese Punkte dann entweder löschen oder mit einem Namen versehen. soweit kann ich ja noch folgen, nur: wo bekommt Jan die Namen her? Vielleicht will er seinen nächsten Spanien-Urlaub entsprechend den fehlenden Ortsnamen planen. ;-) Viele Grüße Bodo -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk1zyhcACgkQnMz9fgzDSqfR6wCeKPXQq8qa0Ll0xI+ZWBSmGy3v eB4AnRL+Sk8VSxVDo5LE3+thJyBlgxq/ =HFQw -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] OSM-Wochennotiz Nr. 33
Hallo, die Wochennotiz mit Neuigkeiten aus dem OpenStreetMap-Universum ist da: http://blog.openstreetmap.de/2011/03/osm-wochennotiz-nr-33/ Viel Spaß beim Lesen wünscht das gesamte Redaktionsteam! :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Rad- und Fusswege mit dem Rest der Welt verbinden
Am 04.03.2011 23:51, schrieb Stephan Wolff: - Bei Straßeneinmündungen gibt es meist eine kurze, asphaltierte Verbindung, die man als Rad- und Fußweg eintragen kann (Puristen können highway=path verwenden, weil die 1m lange Verbindung meist nicht explizit beschildert ist). Da orientiere ich mich an den Tags des ways, zu dem der Stich hinführt, ganz pragmatisch und unpuristisch ;-) - Bei Einmündungen von Wald- oder Feldwegen gibt es oft keine bauliche Verbindung zum Radweg, aber der Radfahrer/Fußgänger kann den Grünstreifen leicht überqueren. Dann könnte man allenfalls eine virtuelle Verbindung eintragen. Wenn ich beim Mappen von Waldwegen solche nicht real existenten Verbindungen zwischen Parallelweg und Hauptfahrbahn an Einmündungen finde, fliegen die raus, so wie ich die real existierenden, aber in OSM fehlenden ergänze. Wenn schon separates Mapping, dann auch korrekt. Als Radfahrer nutze ich solche Grünverbindungen auch nur im Notfall, wenn mir eine real nicht existente Verbindung allzu große Umwege aufzwingen würde. Man weiß nie, was sich im oder unterm mehr oder weniger dichten Bewuchs alles an Überraschungen verbirgt. Bevor ich durch eine solche Überraschung auf der Schnauze lande, fahre ich lieber ein Stück auf der Fahrbahn, bis eine real existierende Verbindung kommt. Wenn bei OSM Router die Waldwege bevorzugen, die über auch real existierende Verbindungen laufen, dann ist das kein Fehler in meinen Augen. Gruß Mueck ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Hi ! gibt es in JOSM eine Funktion um zu prüfen, ob ein Polygon geschlossen ist oder nicht ...? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/103020747 wird nämlich nicht gerendert obwohl dieselben Tags wie neben an und da liegt die Vermutung auf nicht geschlossenes Polygon nahe ! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 06.03.2011 20:34, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: gibt es in JOSM eine Funktion um zu prüfen, ob ein Polygon geschlossen ist oder nicht ...? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/103020747 wird nämlich nicht gerendert obwohl dieselben Tags wie neben an und da liegt die Vermutung auf nicht geschlossenes Polygon nahe ! Also mein JOSM-Validator meldet bei nicht geschlossenen Polygonen: Warnung: Weg mit Flächenzeichenstil nicht geschlossen. Dein Golfplatz wird aber nicht bemängelt. Chris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Hallo Jan, eine richtige Prüffunktion in JOSM kenne ich nicht, aber ich markiere das Polygon und einen einzelen Knoten davon zusätzlcih und versuche P für splitten. Ist das Polygon geschlossen, wird gemeckert, daß zwei Knoten erforderlich sind. Kam keine Meldung, markiere ich einen der beiden Teile des Polygons und sehe dann, wie weit es markiert wird. Das ganze mit dem anderen Teil, dann müsste eigentlich die Fehlerstelle sichtbar geworden sein. Viele Grüße Dietmar -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Jan Tappenbeck [mailto:o...@tappenbeck.net] Gesendet am: Sonntag, 6. März 2011 20:34 An: Openstreetmap allgemeines in Deutsch Betreff: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ? Hi ! gibt es in JOSM eine Funktion um zu prüfen, ob ein Polygon geschlossen ist oder nicht ...? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/103020747 wird nämlich nicht gerendert obwohl dieselben Tags wie neben an und da liegt die Vermutung auf nicht geschlossenes Polygon nahe ! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 06.03.2011 20:42, schrieb Chris66: Am 06.03.2011 20:34, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: gibt es in JOSM eine Funktion um zu prüfen, ob ein Polygon geschlossen ist oder nicht ...? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/103020747 wird nämlich nicht gerendert obwohl dieselben Tags wie neben an und da liegt die Vermutung auf nicht geschlossenes Polygon nahe ! Also mein JOSM-Validator meldet bei nicht geschlossenen Polygonen: Warnung: Weg mit Flächenzeichenstil nicht geschlossen. Dein Golfplatz wird aber nicht bemängelt. Chris Aber hast Du eine Idee warum dieser denn nicht gerendert wird - die anderen aber doch ??? gruß jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 06.03.2011 20:49, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Aber hast Du eine Idee warum dieser denn nicht gerendert wird - die anderen aber doch ??? Also auf meinem PC wird er gerendert ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 06.03.2011 21:04, schrieb Chris66: Am 06.03.2011 20:49, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: Aber hast Du eine Idee warum dieser denn nicht gerendert wird - die anderen aber doch ??? Also auf meinem PC wird er gerendert jetzt bei mir auch ! ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Spammer
Hallo, hat sich gerade wohl ein Spammer angemeldet: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/bedava%20film%20izle/diary Alex ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] U-Turn via einen Way
Am 06.03.2011 17:56, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Wenn ich dann an der Gegenrichtung ankomme, darf ich entweder links abbiegen oder nicht (turnrestriction). Ob ich auf der Querstraße selbst wenden darf oder nicht, wäre wieder nur ein U-Turn mit einem Node (oder nur ein tag auf dem Weg. wenden verboten). verkehrsrechtlich gilt die Hin- und Rückrichtung als eine Straße. und wenn da ein No-U-Turn-Schlid steht, dann ist es verboten zu wenden. jetzt ist einfach nur die frage, wie man das abbildet in OSM - und nicht, ob diese Regelung Sinn macht ;) auf großen Kreuzungen macht dieses verbot schon Sinn. wenn nämlich von links die Linksabbieger und von oben die Rechtsabbieger grün haben, dann würde man mit einem U-Turn einen Unfall verursachen. | | -+---+--- | | -+---+--- | | ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] JOSM: Polygon geschlossen oder nicht ?
Am 6. März 2011 20:34 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: gibt es in JOSM eine Funktion um zu prüfen, ob ein Polygon geschlossen ist oder nicht ...? Ja, das wird seit einiger Zeit angezeigt durch ein icon im Tab Selection (vermutlich Auswahl auf Deutsch). Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] ID 24502104
Am 03.03.2011 12:27, schrieb Matthias Versen: Hallo ! Der Mulitpolygon Relation für den Wald wurden TMC Daten hinzugefügt und das mag mapnik wohl nicht. Ich habe das TMC multipolygon mal vom eigentlichen Multipolygon getrennt, mal schaun ob es hilft. Aktuell funzt es wieder. Danke. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] Newbie - taggar fontane
Ciao e benvenuto, la sintassi corretta e': amenity=drinking_water Cyclemap ha un certo ritardo nel rendering, almeno di una settimana. Comunque (una volta utilizzata la sintassi corretta) puoi verificare il rendering delle fontanelle anche con Mapnik (a zoom elevati), generalmente aggiornato ogni due-tre ore o meno. Oppure puoi verificare su qualche altra mappa tematica per escursionismo, ad esempio: - hikebikemap.de - http://beta.letuffe.org/ Ciao /niubii/ Il giorno 06 marzo 2011 08:26, Cascafico Giovanni cascaf...@gmail.com ha scritto: Buongiorno, è il mio primo msg, in ML, per cui perdonatemi eventuali strafalcioni. Vado in giro in bici e credo sia utile taggar fontane (amenities=drinking_water) sopratutto d'estate :-) Vedo però che il browser OSM in modalità open cycle map non le visualizza, oltre al fatto che se cerco i nominatim drinking_water near luogo non ottengo risultati. Qualche soluzione? ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Ciao --FP ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
Conosco la pagina con gli user id che hanno accettato il cambio di licenza, ma come faccio, partendo dalla pagina di un utente, a sapere se ha accettato o meno la nuova licenza? -- Giacomo Boschi http://gwilbor.wordpress.com/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
Il giorno dom, 06/03/2011 alle 02.06 +0100, marcram ha scritto: Il problema è che una volta georeferenziata la foto non sai comunque in che direzione è stata scattata, rischi di trovarti in un punto tra quattro case e non sapere di quale di esse è la foto che hai in mano. Nel caso specifico il problema non esiste in quanto conosco molto bene il posto. In linea generale il problema che hai posto è pertinente, si potrebbe risolvere con un doppio passaggio, andata e ritorno, e forografando i numeri che stanno a destra ripetto alla direzione di marcia. Poi c'è il pericolo dei salti della traccia registrata dal gps... In qual caso le georeferenziazioni saranno interpolate. L'errore sarà al massimo di pochi metri. Io mi son trovato bene con carta e penna, una stampata della mappa con gli edifici dove facevo un punto per ogni civico che rilevavo, punti collegati da una linea che mi dava un filo temporale, e su un altro foglio la lista dei numeri. mmhm.. Io pensavo di operare un rilevamento rapido, che - al limite - possa essere effettuato anche in macchina. -- Saluti, g ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappiamo opening_hours
Il giorno 05 marzo 2011 20:57, Elycoimax elycoi...@yahoo.it ha scritto: Il 05/03/2011 15.37, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer ha scritto: Mappiamo più dettagli. Facendo delle foto dei insegni al posto è molto facile di raccogliere un sacco di dettagli. Speriamo di crescere numericamente come mappatori con la stessa velocità con cui aumentano i dettagli nelle mappe. mettere gli opening_hours agli edifici ed ai luoghi di servizio di rovereto è stato uno degli obbiettivi di una attività di progetto che ho svolto al Don Milani di Rovereto in questo anno scolastico. avrei voluto portare gli alunni a contribuire in maniera più sostanziale a OSM, di fatto ad oggi, sono stati aggiunti alcuni punti (il self-service interno al mart, unpaio di bancomat e gli orari di alcuni uffici Poste Centrali ad esempio) i risultati non sono stati del tutto incoraggianti per vari motivi scolastici. la raccolta e pubblicazione di foto è visibile qui http://mattruffoni.crowdmap.com Purtroppo sempre per motivi tecnico-scolastici ho dovuto scartare l'uso di josm, (momentaneamente) e l'aggiunta degli opening_hours è avvenut un po' con Potlach, ma non ho trovato altra strada se non l'aggiunta del tag a mano, o con Osm Amenity Editor. Anche io ho avuto modo di apprezzare il plugin di Josm per aggiungere gli opening_hours c'è un modo di averlo anche su potlach? ciao matteo Massimo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
Il giorno sab, 05/03/2011 alle 19.47 +0100, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto: non serve fare i salti mortali visto che josm ha già la funzione per sincronizzare foto e tracce gpx (ed anche quella per sincronizzare l'audio) Avevo scorso la lista dei plug-in di JOSM, ma il plug-in photo-geotagging, mi era proprio sfuggito. Riguardo invece qgis c'è un plugin che trasforma in punti le coordinate che legge dagli exif delle foto Qual é? ShowHideImages? mio consiglio però: fare tutto con qgis ps: la regione sardegna ha un geoportale con una licenza d'uso abbastanza libera per l'uso dei suoi dati Ci hai dato un occhio? :) Molto bello. Ma non c'è certo il layer coi numeri civici. Inoltre il sistema di riferimento è il Gauss-Boaga e non si riesce a visualizzarle correttamente in WGS. Saluti, g ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Mappiamo opening_hours
Alle 20:30 di sabato 05 marzo 2011 totera ha scritto: Alessio Zanol wrote: Qui la mappa che visualizza gli orari: http://www.netzwolf.info/kartografie/osm/time_domain/map_opening bella... però perché non sono mostrati tutti gli elementi col tag opening_hours? Ad esempio non compare nessuno di quelli inseriti da me... Beh così su due piedi non posso saperlo :) Linka qualche nodo che non ti compare così vediamo quale sia il problema! Alessio ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
Il 06 marzo 2011 09:44, Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it ha scritto: Conosco la pagina con gli user id che hanno accettato il cambio di licenza, ma come faccio, partendo dalla pagina di un utente, a sapere se ha accettato o meno la nuova licenza? -- Giacomo Boschi Dalla pagina utente non lo so. Però, se ti può essere utile, lo puoi vedere da JOSM: - selezioni una o più way - fai clic su icona con omini (Visualizza lista di persone che hanno lavorato sugli oggetti selezionati) - selezioni un utente e fai clic su Carica condizioni utente. Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
Coloro che hanno fatto un edit in Italia prima del 20 dicembre e che non hanno accettato l'ODbL appare qui: http://repo.grimp.eu/osm/europe/italy_not_accepted ;). Ricorda che coloro che si sono iscritti dopo maggio 2010 hanno accettato l'ODbL in fase di registrazione ;) 2011/3/6 groppo otto grop...@gmail.com: Il 06 marzo 2011 09:44, Giacomo Boschi gwil...@email.it ha scritto: Conosco la pagina con gli user id che hanno accettato il cambio di licenza, ma come faccio, partendo dalla pagina di un utente, a sapere se ha accettato o meno la nuova licenza? -- Giacomo Boschi Dalla pagina utente non lo so. Però, se ti può essere utile, lo puoi vedere da JOSM: - selezioni una o più way - fai clic su icona con omini (Visualizza lista di persone che hanno lavorato sugli oggetti selezionati) - selezioni un utente e fai clic su Carica condizioni utente. Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Fabio Alessandro Locati Home: Segrate, Milan, Italy (GMT +1) Phone: +39-328-3799681 MSN/Jabber/E-Mail: fabioloc...@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: 5525 8555 213C 19EB 25F2 A047 2AD2 BE67 0F01 CA61 Involved in: KDE, OpenStreetMap, Ubuntu, Wikimedia ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
Avevo scorso la lista dei plug-in di JOSM, ma il plug-in photo-geotagging, mi era proprio sfuggito. Bene :) Riguardo invece qgis c'è un plugin che trasforma in punti le coordinate che legge dagli exif delle foto Qual é? ShowHideImages? No Photo@Shape http://gis-lab.info/qa/photo2shape.html (la pagina e' in russo ^_^ ) mio consiglio però: fare tutto con qgis che pirla! Volevo scrivere: fare tutto con josm :) ps: la regione sardegna ha un geoportale con una licenza d'uso abbastanza libera per l'uso dei suoi dati Ci hai dato un occhio? :) Molto bello. Ma non c'è certo il layer coi numeri civici. Inoltre il sistema di riferimento è il Gauss-Boaga e non si riesce a visualizzarle correttamente in WGS. Spiega meglio Hai scaricato i vettoriali o interroghi il WMS? perche' se hai il vettoriale il problema di conversione non si pone -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
2011/3/6 marcram marcr...@email.it: Il 05/03/2011 18.57, gianluca ha scritto: Ho pensato di andare a passeggio con GPS e macchina fotografica temporalmente sincronizzati e scattare una foto a tutti i numeri civici che incontro. Una volta tornato a casa tramite il programma GpsCorrelate ( http://freefoote.dview.net/linux_gpscorr.html ) inserisco negli Exif delle immagini le coordinate geografiche ricavate dal GPS. si, personalmente uso uno script perl (gpsPhoto.pl http://www.carto.net/projects/photoTools/gpsPhoto/ ) per fare questa operazione, ma con JOSM è ancora più facile (ti calcola anche l'offset). Per fare la mappatura con le foto per me JOSM è ottimo, è rapido per zoomare e cambiare immagini, tiene lo schermo centrato (si può anche spegnere questo) quando cambi immagine, ecc. Il problema è che una volta georeferenziata la foto non sai comunque in che direzione è stata scattata, rischi di trovarti in un punto tra quattro case e non sapere di quale di esse è la foto che hai in mano. Poi c'è il pericolo dei salti della traccia registrata dal gps... si, per quello faccio delle foto dove si capisce anche il contesto, così riesci a associare le informazioni all'oggetto giusto. carta e penna sono comunque anche un buon metodo, sopratutto se gli edifici già ci stanno. ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
carta e penna sono comunque anche un buon metodo, sopratutto se gli edifici già ci stanno. Esperienze in merito con i walking papers? -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
-Original Message- From: gianluca [mailto:maig...@email.it] Sent: domenica 6 marzo 2011 9.47 To: openstreetmap list - italiano Subject: Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici Nel caso specifico il problema non esiste in quanto conosco molto bene il posto. In linea generale il problema che hai posto pertinente, si potrebbe risolvere con un doppio passaggio, andata e ritorno, e forografando i numeri che stanno a destra ripetto alla direzione di marcia. Un metodo rudimentale, ma rapido e abbastanza efficace, può essere quello di scattare la foto tenendo la macchina fotografica in posizione obliqua, dove l'angolo di inclinazione è grossolanamente proporzionale all'angolo tra la direzione di puntamento e la direzione di marcia. Ad esempio: per foto scattate a 90° a destra (sinistra) rispetto alla direzione di marcia, inclini la macchina di 45° in senso orario (antiorario). Guardando le caratteristiche orizzontali e verticali (orizzonte, alberi, ecc.) è facile capire in seguito da che parte è inclinata la foto. Ovviamente è accettabile solo se le foto non hanno altro scopo che la mappatura. Ciao, Alberto ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] RIlevamento numeri civici
2011/3/6 Alberto Nogaro bartosom...@yahoo.it: Un metodo rudimentale, ma rapido e abbastanza efficace, può essere quello di scattare la foto tenendo la macchina fotografica in posizione obliqua, dove l'angolo di inclinazione è grossolanamente proporzionale all'angolo tra la direzione di puntamento e la direzione di marcia. Questa è una buona idea. Io mi sono trovato anche bene facendo le foto da dentro dalla macchina e prendendo anche una parte del vetro / telaio della maccina (cosí dopo vedi, se hai guardato a destra o a sinistra secondo le parti della macchina che vedi). Ovviamente ne anche col mio metodo si riesce a scattare molte foto di un alto livello estetico. ciao., Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] dove OSM è meglio di Google
hanno scoperto un nuovo errore nelle mappe di Teleatlas: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kfNI_CDpiq4/TWbnGgzsjeI/KyE/2ahp4nWivkA/s1600/stra%25C3%259F.gif come vedete in teleatlas/Gmaps un intero quartiere della città tedesca è ollandese ;-) Tutto l'articolo in tedeso qui http://landkartenindex.blogspot.com/2011/02/wiederholungstater-tele-atlas-klaut-auf.html (perché sò che alcuni di vuoi parlano benissimo tedesco). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] dove OSM è meglio di Google
Grazie Martin! Molto bello anche l'articolo di riferimento sulla questione del confine di mare. Non sapevo di questo problema http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Niederl%C3%A4ndische_Grenzfrage pensavo che in Europa, e in particolare nel centro nord, non vi fossero problemi di tale natura. Per il resto io non e' che parlo tedesco perfettamente, arraffo qualcosa :) Quindi, correggimi se mi sbaglio, il confine, fra Olanda e Germania, su TeletAtlas (e quindi Google Maps) e' sbagliato. Una strada divide le due nazioni e il relativo quartiere della citta' di Herzogenrath. La strada e' divisa in due corsie, quella sul lato tedesco ha nome Neustraße, mentre quella sul lato olandese, ha nome Nieuwstaat. L'autore (e correggimi se sbaglio*) sembra dire che i rilevatori di TeleAtlas non si sono accorti che i segnali stradali erano cambiati. Vorrei capire meglio invece la parte finale Zum Glück sind wir nicht in Nicaragua und Google Maps verursacht beinahe einen Krieg, mit genau dieser Art Fehler. Per fortuna non siamo in Nicaragua, Google Maps ha quasi provocato una guerra esattamente con questo tipo di errrore *la mia ultima traduzione era parecchio grossolana 2011/3/6 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: hanno scoperto un nuovo errore nelle mappe di Teleatlas: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kfNI_CDpiq4/TWbnGgzsjeI/KyE/2ahp4nWivkA/s1600/stra%25C3%259F.gif come vedete in teleatlas/Gmaps un intero quartiere della città tedesca è ollandese ;-) Tutto l'articolo in tedeso qui http://landkartenindex.blogspot.com/2011/02/wiederholungstater-tele-atlas-klaut-auf.html (perché sò che alcuni di vuoi parlano benissimo tedesco). ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it -- Maurizio Napo Napolitano http://de.straba.us ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] dove OSM è meglio di Google
In data domenica 06 marzo 2011 21:02:35, Maurizio Napolitano ha scritto: Grazie Martin! Molto bello anche l'articolo di riferimento sulla questione del confine di mare. Non sapevo di questo problema http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsch-Niederl%C3%A4ndische_Grenzfrage pensavo che in Europa, e in particolare nel centro nord, non vi fossero problemi di tale natura. Per il resto io non e' che parlo tedesco perfettamente, arraffo qualcosa :) Quindi, correggimi se mi sbaglio, il confine, fra Olanda e Germania, su TeletAtlas (e quindi Google Maps) e' sbagliato. Una strada divide le due nazioni e il relativo quartiere della citta' di Herzogenrath. La strada e' divisa in due corsie, quella sul lato tedesco ha nome Neustraße, mentre quella sul lato olandese, ha nome Nieuwstaat. L'autore (e correggimi se sbaglio*) sembra dire che i rilevatori di TeleAtlas non si sono accorti che i segnali stradali erano cambiati. Vorrei capire meglio invece la parte finale Zum Glück sind wir nicht in Nicaragua und Google Maps verursacht beinahe einen Krieg, mit genau dieser Art Fehler. Per fortuna non siamo in Nicaragua, Google Maps ha quasi provocato una guerra esattamente con questo tipo di errrore Cercando Nicaragua Google Maps con (ironia della sorte) Google News ho trovato questo: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11751727 (passiamo dal tedesco all'inglese). Al di là della faccenda è comunque interessante il fatto che un servizio gratuito e che non offre nessuna garanzia di esattezza venga citato come riferimento... C'è davvero un'ignoranza dilagante in merito ai dati scambiati in rete. *la mia ultima traduzione era parecchio grossolana 2011/3/6 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: hanno scoperto un nuovo errore nelle mappe di Teleatlas: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kfNI_CDpiq4/TWbnGgzsjeI/KyE/2ahp4 nWivkA/s1600/stra%25C3%259F.gif come vedete in teleatlas/Gmaps un intero quartiere della città tedesca è ollandese ;-) Tutto l'articolo in tedeso qui http://landkartenindex.blogspot.com/2011/02/wiederholungstater-tele -atlas-klaut-auf.html (perché sò che alcuni di vuoi parlano benissimo tedesco). ciao, Martin Paolo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] dove OSM è meglio di Google
Cercando Nicaragua Google Maps con (ironia della sorte) Google News ho trovato questo: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11751727 (passiamo dal tedesco all'inglese). Al di là della faccenda è comunque interessante il fatto che un servizio gratuito e che non offre nessuna garanzia di esattezza venga citato come riferimento... C'è davvero un'ignoranza dilagante in merito ai dati scambiati in rete. ... pensa che tempo fa una signora è andata a denunciare google per essere stata investita da un auto dato che il suo iphone, usando le mappe di google, le aveva suggerito di andare a piedi sull'autostrada ... e la cosa che mi fa incazzare è che poi le nostre p.a. non mollano i dati, ma si fidano poi di quelli di google ... ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Sapere se un utente ha accettato l'ODBL?
Il 06/03/2011 11:58, groppo otto ha scritto: Però, se ti può essere utile, lo puoi vedere da JOSM: - selezioni una o più way - fai clic su icona con omini (Visualizza lista di persone che hanno lavorato sugli oggetti selezionati) - selezioni un utente e fai clic su Carica condizioni utente. Ho due problemi con questa procedura: - La lista di persone è limitata all'ultimo che ha modificato un oggetto - Il pulsante carica condizioni utente mi manda alla pagina utente, quindi sono sempre al punto di partenza. -- Giacomo Boschi http://gwilbor.wordpress.com/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-lt] Darom susitikima?
2011 m. kovas 5 d. 22:59, Dirbam Osm rašė: Vieta siulyciau kur nors Vilniaus centre. Tik reikėtų vengti triukšmingų vietų, kad būtų galima susikalbėti :-) Jei yra pritarimas tai koks laikas geriau tiktu: darbo diena po darbo ar savaitgalis? Man tinka abu variantai. -- Tomas Straupis ___ Talk-lt mailing list Talk-lt@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-lt
Re: [Talk-dk] Vejnavne og OSAK-data (Re: Lidt statistik)
Jonas Häggqvist rasher@... writes: On 05-03-2011 20:00, Ole Laursen wrote: Skulle det ikke være short_name=Gl. Århusvej med punktum? Det er ikke for at være pedantisk. :) Jeg er bare lidt i tvivl om forslaget her er at putte OSAK-navnet ind ligegyldigt om der er fejl i det eller ej - og er det overhovedet en fejl uden punktum? Ifølge retskrivningscirkulæret ser det bestemt sådan ud. Jeg mener den eneste grund (men en god en) til i det hele taget at gemme den forkortede udgave er at det er det navn der optræder i den centrale database - og så giver det ikke mening at rette i det. Okay. I så fald er jeg klart tilhænger af løsning 5 med name_OSAK/osak:name som Rasmus definerede. Inden vi skrider til afstemning vil jeg gerne fremføre et argument mod name=OSAKs vejnavn (løsning 1), som er uafhængigt af forkortelser eller ej. Det er klart at der er hvad man kunne kalde stavefejl i OSAK (se flere eksempler i tråden i november 2010). Og når vi har muligheden for at gøre det rigtigt, synes jeg ikke vi skal trænge os selv op i et hjørne hvor vi ikke kan undgå de fejl i OSM. Vi har måske en forhåbning om at kommunerne med tiden vil rette fejl, og det kunne være superfedt hvis vi kan hjælpe dem, så kan alle andre brugere af OSAK også nyde godt af det. Men det kan lige så godt ske at der nogle steder sidder en kortansvarlig som er ligeglad; jeg kender i hvert fald en kommune hvor en henvendelse formodentlig vil blive mødt med blank afvisning af den lokale kortdiktator. :) Vi kan måske komme til at vente 30 år på sådan en fætter går af. I min optik er det med at suge al det vi kan ud af OSAK, men heller ikke mere. Det er ikke vores job at sørge for at OSAK er 100% korrekt, det er kommunernes, hvor de også har midlerne til at sørge for at det bliver gjort. Vores job er et 100% fejlfrit frit kort over DK. Ole ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Vejnavne og OSAK-data (Re: Lidt statistik)
Ole Laursen olau@... writes: Vi har måske en forhåbning om at kommunerne med tiden vil rette fejl, og det kunne være superfedt hvis vi kan hjælpe dem, så kan alle andre brugere af OSAK også nyde godt af det. Og i øvrigt, hvis vi går efter en løsning hvor vi tilføjer et osak:name/name_OSAK-tag, laver et lag til at vise alle veje med OSAK-tags og sender et link til de rette modtagere, er det vel et eller andet sted også det der giver den største sandsynlighed for at OSAK bliver tilrettet, fordi det er supernemt at gå til? Samtidig med det måske kunne være en slags prøveklud for øget samarbejde med kommunerne? Ole ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
Re: [Talk-dk] Vejnavne og OSAK-data (Re: Lidt statistik)
On 06-03-2011 22:38, Esben Damgaard wrote: Den 06-03-2011 12:44, Ole Laursen skrev: Vi har måske en forhåbning om at kommunerne med tiden vil rette fejl, og det kunne være superfedt hvis vi kan hjælpe dem, så kan alle andre brugere af OSAK også nyde godt af det. Dette kunne være rigtig sejt. Sammen med et kort der viser fejlene i OSAK er det sikkert nemt at få lidt mediedækning. Et sådant kort vil i en parantes bemærket være ganske simpelt at bikse sammen (så længe vi får gemt begge navne, naturligvis). -- Jonas Häggqvist rasher(at)rasher(dot)dk ___ Talk-dk mailing list Talk-dk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-dk
[Talk-es] Línea de costa en Canarias.
Hola Voy a intentar mejorar algunos tramos de la línea de costa de Canarias con los datos de Corine. Estoy documentando en: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:CLC06%2BUA_Canary_Islands_vegetation Se agradecen comentarios, sugerencias y colaboración. Saludos. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
Re: [Talk-es] Línea de costa en Canarias.
Me ofrezco como colaborador para, al menos, lo que afecte a la isla de Gran Canaria. ¿Por dónde empiezo? 2011/3/6 Javier Sánchez javiers...@gmail.com Hola Voy a intentar mejorar algunos tramos de la línea de costa de Canarias con los datos de Corine. Estoy documentando en: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/ES:CLC06%2BUA_Canary_Islands_vegetation Se agradecen comentarios, sugerencias y colaboración. Saludos. ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es -- Jonay ___ Talk-es mailing list Talk-es@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-es
