Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging dangerous areas
Actually, I think this is a bad idea. Wether or not an area is dangerous is highly subjective, and will most likely result in heated edit wars. 2009/3/30 Russ Nelson r...@cloudmade.com On Mar 29, 2009, at 10:42 PM, NL wrote: Is it unsafe to park a bike/car there? We should mark areas of high bicycle theft, but we'd need a map to display it. -- Russ Nelson - http://community.cloudmade.com/blog - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:RussNelson r...@cloudmade.com - Twitter: Russ_OSM - http://openstreetmap.org/user/RussNelson ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] N2000 database from Statens kartverk
2008/12/12 Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se: Can someone who speaks Norwegian and is familiar with the map data copyright situation in Norway please take a look at this user talk page, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jensens#Kart as well as the uploaded maps by this user, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jensens These maps are now finding their way into the Norwegian Wikipedia, http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenvik http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyngen Is this open content? Could we import it to OpenStreetMap? My initial reaction is NO to both questions. But, to be sure, I have forwarded your mail to the Norwegian community (k...@nuug.no) to try to get a definitive and correct answer. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] N2000 database from Statens kartverk
2008/12/12 Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se: Can someone who speaks Norwegian and is familiar with the map data copyright situation in Norway please take a look at this user talk page, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jensens#Kart as well as the uploaded maps by this user, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jensens These maps are now finding their way into the Norwegian Wikipedia, http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenvik http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyngen Is this open content? Could we import it to OpenStreetMap? This is not open content. The content is apparently avilable for parties that are members of Norge Digtalt (http://www.statkart.no/Norge_digitalt/Norsk/Om_Norge_digitalt/) which have a license. I can't find the license, so you will have to contact the user to get the wording. I may help with translation. Statkart (The norwegian cartographic survey) do not normally issue open licenses. It may appear from the wording in the referenced talk page, that the user think he/she is entiteled to do this since he/she has a license. Without the license, I can't possibly say if this is correct, but I doubt it. -- Lars Aronsson (l...@aronsson.se) Aronsson Datateknik - http://aronsson.se ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Updated view of 'A year of edits on OSM' and also Santa's Routes!
Don't know what ZorroIII (That's roman numeral 3) did, but for your information: Gråsonen (The Grey Zone) is an area in the Barents Sea which is disputed. Norway claims it is in the Norwegian Economic Zone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_Economic_Zone) and Russia claims it is Russian. The two countries regularly negotiates fishing quotas this zone and it used to be very unregulated. The lack of regulation is the cause of the name. Oil/Gas rights is not resolved as far as I know. Bernt 2008/12/9 Robert Vollmert [EMAIL PROTECTED]: (to the list also) On Dec 9, 2008, at 22:29, Scott Atwood wrote: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:19 PM, Robert Vollmert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 9, 2008, at 21:58, Ed Loach wrote: I think the way heading north from Finland may actually pass straight through Finland and start somewhere near Riga. But I can't find it using Mapnik or Potlatch. http://openstreetmap.org/browse/way/27611977 Did you find this with a brute force search? Or did you have a more elegant method? The high-res version of the Europe image pointed somewhere west of Riga. Then the data layer. Cheers Robert ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [NUUG kart] Stier (var Turistforeningshyttene)
Har inntrykk av at path vs. footway-controversen i OSM bærer mer preg av våpenstillstand enn av konsensus.. 2008/12/9 Vidar Gundersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 12:45 PM, vegard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Er det noen tegn til at dette faktisk er blitt klarere i det siste? ja. highway=path har fått plass på Map Features lista og er støttet av begge rendrerne. alt snakk jeg har lest om dette i det siste, ifm diskusjon av mtb:scale=* (forøvrig under avstemning) og andre tagger relatert til terrengsykling, hvor det har vært noen nye forslag og en del diskusjon de siste ukene. merk at highway=footway == highway=path,foot=designated se områdene rundt Fredrikstad og Kjekstadmarka i Asker. (cycleway er path med bicycle=designated, og bridleway horse=designated.) trail_visibility=* er også offisiell forøvrig. marked_trail=* er ikke offisiell, men jeg bruker det til å legge inn informasjon om merkede stier allikevel med tanke på å gjøre en søk-erstatt operasjon den dagen det kommer en offisiell tagg. ___ kart mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.nuug.no/mailman/listinfo/kart -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Updated view of 'A year of edits on OSM' and alsoSanta's Routes!
2008/12/10 Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Would it be worth adding a wikipedia link to the way in question. I have used 'wikipedia=xxx' tagging for features with wikipedia article before but have now noticed that this tag hasn't made its way into map features. It would however be good not to loose this valuable explanation for a strange feature that others might remove or just puzzle over. Good Idea, I'll see if I can add an explanatory tag to this zone. By the way, the coordinates for the zone are public and may e.g. be found here: http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gråsonen (in nrwegian). I guess you will find the original treaty in untreaty.un.org somewhere. -- Bernt Marius Johnsen Melius vivit qui remigat ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
2008/12/5 Nic Roets [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Bernt, The default parameters for gosmore is that a ferry travels at 3 km/h and there is currently no way to override the parameters for specific object (It's not yet perfect !). The 3km/h allows for the time it will you will need to wait for the ferry to arrive, embarking, traveling and disembarking i.e. 3 hours for the ferry ride in question. You may well say I'll plan my day so that I arrive at the scheduled departure time, but then you won't be using gosmore. Well, this ferry route is a part of a Norwegian primary road (Riksveg) with pretty high traffic (e.g. it's used by commuters). The ferries (the route is served by 2 ferries) are departing every 35 minutes at daytime and the ferry uses 25 minutes (10 minutes left for disembarking embarking). So the above assumption does not hold in this case where the worst case daytime scenario is 65 minutes (although you have to wait until 0500 if you arrive at the terminal after 0045). Again, for other routes in less populated areas, you might end up with a ferry that goes once a day, and then the 3km/h assumption is ay too optimistic. It seems to me that ferry routes need more information for routing purposes, e.g. frequency and transport time, as in this case it is a bad advice to drive around the fjord. Selecting shortest reveals that there is some problem with the oneway service roads in that area, because reversing the route or changing to bicycle or foot works. Ok, I'll look into that. 2008/12/6 Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have trouble remembering if Gosmore currently supports the maxspeed tag. But if it does then that tag could be 'abused' to give Gosmore a realistic hint about the traveltimes of ferry's. We could set the default for ferry's higher to (say 20km/h) and let the maxspeed represent the time it takes to take the ferry route. I think it's a bad idea. Nic Roets wrote: Hi Bernt, The default parameters for gosmore is that a ferry travels at 3 km/h and there is currently no way to override the parameters for specific object (It's not yet perfect !). The 3km/h allows for the time it will you will need to wait for the ferry to arrive, embarking, traveling and disembarking i.e. 3 hours for the ferry ride in question. You may well say I'll plan my day so that I arrive at the scheduled departure time, but then you won't be using gosmore. Selecting shortest reveals that there is some problem with the oneway service roads in that area, because reversing the route or changing to bicycle or foot works. -- The English channel ferry routes looks OK: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=51.127581flon=1.332441tlat=50.966031tlon=1.859529v=footfast=0layer=mapnik If I slightly modify the route, gosmore gives up with no data problem. It does this in order conserve RAM (there may also be a bad hash function in the mix...). (It's not yet perfect !) The Channel Tunnel is tagged * tunnel: yes * railway: rail * name:nl: Kanaaltunnel * created_by: Potlatch 0.10c * maxspeed: 160 * name: Channel Tunnel * tracks: 2 * source: interpolation * layer: -4 Can we tag it with motorcar:yes foot:yes bicycle:yes ? That in itself will not be enough, but the changes to gosmore will eventually follow. On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Robert (Jamie) Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] can your yournavigation support inter-island routing
Is this also a matter of proper tagging? http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=63.449421flon=10.199466tlat=63.50989tlon=10.13994v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Here you get a 4 hour drive instead of 25 minutes with the ferry. 2008/12/5 Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think that the Channel Tunnel won't work because of it being a car/train connection which is not yet supported in Gosmore. The first ferry route that Nic showed [1] is a European ferry route, so the technique works. It's probably a matter of proper tagging for the other routes. [1] http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Nic Roets wrote: Yes. http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=52.96331flon=4.76825tlat=53.0023tlon=4.78954v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik It's the slowest form of transport : routing bicycle=3 foot=3 goods=3 hgv=3 motorcycle=3 motorcar=3 psv=3/ It won't take the Channel Tunnel, or any UK - Mainland Europe ferries yet: http://www.yournavigation.org/?flat=50.938668flon=1.903311tlat=51.176453tlon=0.82v=motorcarfast=1layer=mapnik Is this because the database is partitioned or something? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkk5DXQACgkQz+aYVHdncI3/MgCgpbCpcHlG8PBBDUc/Hym7b8L1 B4IAoKK1AGnBJIjLBHMLZ7oeyajfVNUQ =gSrn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] data issues in London?
E6 and E105 in Northern Norway has also got some nodes i Portugal now. So, the the fix is still not complete. 2008/11/25 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/25 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/25 Peter Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I have just uploaded an image of Europe which shows that the main data problem emanates from London although there also seems to be a problem from Holland to the same point on the Portuguese coast? http://www.flickr.com/photos/peterito/3058044385/ A user in Portugal has somehow managed to appropriate numerous node IDs. He's effectively moved them from where ever they were, to Portugal. I've contacted him to ask how it might have happened. He seems to have been using merkaartor, but whether it has anything to do with it, I don't know. I'm working on a revert script to tidy this up. Dave This should now be fixed. I reverted 420 nodes back to their London locations. Moral of the story is this: Never find a random .osm file, edit some nodes in it, then upload the changes to the OSM server. A mess you will cause. :-) Dave ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] data issues in London?
Also node 123566 connected to some road in germany 2008/11/26 Dave Stubbs [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/11/26 Bernt M. Johnsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Applies also to E4 in Sweden close to Swedish/Finnish border. Is this dealt with in a systematic way? I reverted all edits made by the user concerned on the 24th, where the edit moved a node more than 2 degrees. What seems to have happened here is that the user has subsequently made more bad edits at 5pm ish this evening. I'll contact him again. And I'll revert his edits again. Dave -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Anyone familiar with Pulkova 1932 coordinates?
Well, that article defines on how to transform from DHG (Deutches Heeres Gitter) Plukovo 1932 to UTM ED50 in zone 34, and that's a start. Question is, is that (DHG Pulkovo 1932) the same as the coordinates we have for the border which is described like this: Koordinatene er konforme , rettvinklete Gauss-Krugerske, etter Pulkovasystemet av 1932 (Bessels ellipsoide).? Which should translate to something like The Coordinates are conform, orthogonal Gauss-Krugerian, after the Pulkova System of 1932 (Bessel's ellipsoid) More details in Norwegian in the referenced document ;-) 2008/11/21 Tom Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Erik Johansson wrote: Oooh projection archeology, it's even more fun when you go down to local county databases they all have their own projections scheme for better fit to the grid. Reading in Proj4 projection definitions file there seems to be many pulkovo zones in 1995, maybe the same is true for 1932? Calling up your local university GIS department they are usually very glad to help.. :-) You can also ask the OSM Russians: This article may be of some help: http://www.asprs.org/resources/grids/09-2002-latvia.pdf The final paragraph gives a translation from Pulkovo 1932 to UTM by the looks of it. Tom -- Tom Hughes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.compton.nu/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Lake rendering
Østensjøvannet seems ok, but Nøklevannet is missing on the Mapnik rendering. Is that the problem? 2008/11/3 Gustav Foseid [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could someone take a look at lake Østensjøvannet near Oslo, and tell me how to fix the mulitpolygons, so both Osmarender, Mapnik and the Cycle Map understand them? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8815lon=10.8767zoom=14layers=0B00FTF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8816lon=10.8768zoom=14layers=B000FTF http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=59.8816lon=10.8768zoom=14layers=B000FTF I have made a couple of attempts, but without much luck. - Gustav ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] A super quick poll
2008/11/3 OJ W [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Joseph Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The public domain will benefit OSM. What incentive would anyone have to add datasets to OSM if it were PD? Surely it would be easier and less risky for them to keep their own work in a separate database and combine it with OSM later so they get a better map than everyone else, hence competitive advantage. Why would they bother to share their work unnecessarily? Sharealike at least rewards people who create free data, by allowing them access to more. At the very least it isn't structured to discourage* generation of free data In this case, it isn't the 'PD license' itself but copyright law which encourages selfish behaviour, and by pretending that nobody else cares about copyright, PD shows itself as naive. If you were right, the Apache Foundation with all it's software would be a failure. How is it then, that the Apache web server is the most successful webserver ever? With the Apache license, I could keep my enhancements to myself and then get a competitive atvantage according to your logic. And it might be that some do that, but most see the advantage in contributing to the community. I admit that data and software is somewhat different, but I don't think your logic holds at all. Choosing between a SA-type and PD-type license should not be governed by religious beliefs, but what you want to achieve. And there are reasons for both. And I don't think openstreetmap will die of the wrong type is used. Just evolve in a different way. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Tag for Shopping Maill?
I can't find a tag for shopping mall. How do people tag them? -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap routing service
2008/9/8 Lambertus [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lars Aronsson wrote: Lambertus wrote: There are no roads in Scandinavia that are called trunk roads. So we have to invent our own understanding of when to use this label. Unfortunately, the Finns and Norwegians made a different interpretation than the Swedes. So at some zoom levels, it looks as if Norway and Finland are full of green trunk roads, while Sweden is a country with very few roads. Because we labeled those roads as primary, which are not rendered at that zoom level. I think we should change all Swedish riksväg roads from primary to trunk, to match the definition used for Norway and Finland, and to make the map of Sweden look less empty at some zoom levels. FYI: In Norway trunk road are used for stamveg (marked with green number signs in the wild), not riksveg (white signs). This is described in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/No:Map_Features -- Bernt Marius Johnsen ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
