Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Tagging Parcel Depots
Good idea on the amenity=post_depot, have changed those in my area, have also added building=warehouse on the building itself, not sure if that make sense, it does to me. Jonathan On 22/10/2012 14:09, Matt Williams wrote: On 22 October 2012 13:35, Nick Verdegem digital.dia...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, Just updating my local area and want to add a couple of Parcel Depots, one for the Royal Mail, and one for TNT. The Royal Mail one is *not* amenity=post_office as it does not accept parcels/letters for onward delivery, only collection of undeliverables. The TNT one will send/receive parcels/packages, but I'm not sure if post_office would be acceptable and it would appear that amenity=cargo has been abandoned. Anyone got any guidance/suggestions on how to effectively tag these? According to taginfo, the most commonly used tag (that I can find) is amenity=post_depot [1] with 36 uses. I'd suggest that we start using that and that if noone objects, we should add a wiki page [2] for it and link to it from the post_office page. Matt [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=post_depot [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=post_depot ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] mapping conundrum
Just had a thought, looking at OS Streetview, is this part of the old disused station? Seems a bit far away but OS seem adamant? On 09/10/2012 16:52, Andy Robinson wrote: A little mapping conundrum for you folks. This building with the ? in the centre of the map [1] appears to be a house, yet I can't find the access to it. BING Birdseye [2] doesn't appear to clarify matters. Google [3] suggests there might be a red car parked outside which would mean there should be a drive somewhere. I've cycled round and can't find an access off Rockkingham Gardens, Anchorage Road or Mulroy Road. Well there is a rough footpath that used to be a track to the old Sutton Park railway station which starts at the junction of Mulroy Road/and Midland Road but it's not used be vehicles anymore and well overgrown. It’s the one route I need to check but I'm sceptical because of the well manicured gardens this oddball property has. All ideas and suggestions welcome ;-) Cheers Andy [1] http://osm.org/go/euzaD8Zqa-- [2] http://binged.it/PThfeO [3] https://maps.google.co.uk/?ll=52.568657,-1.825985spn=0.000368,0.000817t=hz=21 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Success story
Hi all, Wanted to share this brief success story for OpenStreetMap. I was marshalling at a 40 mile walk/run around Birmingham's canals the other weekend and the start/end was at Ackers: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.45905lon=-1.85263zoom=17layers=M Apart from spending the quiet moments taking GPS readings/traces and updaing the map I also overheard a competitor at the end asking how to get into central Birmingham to catch her bus home, she had a day bus ticket so preferred to go in by bus. The answer she was given was I don't know, I was sitting nearby with my laptop and Mifi so called here over, showed her Openstreetmap with the Transport view and we quickly determined where the nearest bus stop was on the best route into town! To my knowledge not possible with any other website? So to all who have contributed with NAPTAN uploads, correcting the bus routes, moving bus stops and generally updating the Birmingham map a big THANK YOU from her. By the way, I have no idea if she found the bus stop, caught the right bus or even made it home! She may still be roaming the streets of Birmingham but hey, I got to show her a pretty map, so lets hope it was accurate. ;-) One improvement to the Bus details would be a link on the route that takes the user to the Operators' timetable or even live data. Thoughts? Jonathan ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
Just my pennysworth, any commercial company company can take this data and sell it on, use it for their own commercial purposes etc. I have two limited companies and can personally attest to the fact that anything on the CH public register does get used for all sorts of nefarious uses. I don't think us using it to improve our postcode data for a free community map is anything we should worry about. Jonathan On 31/08/2012 17:59, Andy Robinson wrote: Not everyone considers a licence of any sort a requirement. It's just us that expects one or argues otherwise it might be public domain. I recall when I first came to OSM not understanding why a licence was required at all (because I'm used to contracts where the terms are explicit and OSM does not form contract. Little did I know about software!) What Companies House does make clear is that although data in the register may likely be subject to third party copyright (where the information has been provided to them and not generated by them and thus Crown Copyright) Companies House imposes no rules or requirements on how the information on the public register is used. That's a pretty clear statement about data in the public register. For everything else that they produce Crown Copyright applies but again provided the normal restrictions regarding Crown Copyright are adhered to then regarding reuse it again states It places no restriction on how the information is used after purchase other than the following which only raises the question to me about data that is not sold but supplied free of charge. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Matt Williams [mailto:m...@milliams.com] Sent: 31 August 2012 17:00 To: talk-gb-westmidlands Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] UK Postcodes - Potential data source On 31 August 2012 16:50, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: I think that translates to Public Domain Dedication and License (PDDL) then? Probably, but I wouldn't feel comfortable using the data without an explicit set of license terms. Unless they have done and I just don't understand their terminology. Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source
Have I missed something? What datasource are you referring to here? Jonathan On 31/08/2012 09:44, Andy Robinson wrote: In the meantime I’m just downloading the files and filtering in spreadsheet for my patch (Sutton Coldfield) and then checking/adding postcode data for the handful of addresses it contains for each month. Though this only really works if you have the majority of your building addressing done for an area. As I’m now adding some postcode data from this source I’ve added the required attribution to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#United_Kingdom Incidentally, what do folks feel about adding any of the other data from the dataset?: ·the full address of the property (Primary addressable object name (PAON), Secondary addressable object name (SAON), street, postcode, locality (if available), town, district, county) ·the price paid for the property ·the date of transfer ·the property type (Detached, Semi, Terraced, Flat/Maisonette) ·whether the property is new build or not ·whether the property is freehold or leasehold. Cheers Andy *From:*Brian Prangle [mailto:bpran...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 31 August 2012 08:27 *To:* Rob Nickerson; talk-gb-westmidlands *Subject:* Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] [Talk-GB] UK Postcodes - Potential data source I'd agree with Rob's logic and extend it to show one of three results: postcode missing or postcode incomplete or postcode incorrect. We have loads of addresses with only the first group in place e.g B27 and I'm sure when we were using codepoint( before we knew it was dodgy in licensing terms) we chose the wrong break point in address runs. We currently have 61272 addresses in the W Mids and 44164 have postcodes. regards Brian On 30 August 2012 18:35, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: == Matt wrote == This does indeed seem like a very useful data source. Great find! However, I'm struggling to think of a nice way of visualising it to make it useful. What I've got so far in my mind is: - Take an entry from the list - Take its postcode - Search for the postcode (I've got a curated list of postcodes as part of my PostCodeFinder [1]) - Get the location of the nearest match (hopefully, we'll find at least a CV4-type segment match) - Search for roads within an x mile radius with a matching name - Associate that entry with that road == End Message == Hi Matt, I was actually thinking the other way round. That is: Pull in a list of building with addresses but no postcode in OSM (with their way IDs) and see if any match up with the Land Registry addresses. This way we can add postcode to buildings rather than just to the roads. Not sure if this is any easier/harder to do. Regards, Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list talk...@openstreetmap.org mailto:talk...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Worcestershire Public Rights of Way - OGL
Excellent, thanks a lot for that, very useful. Jonathan On 03/08/2012 11:09, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi All, I am happy to confirm that I have received confirmation that the PRoW data held at [1] is available under the OGL licence. This data is the digitised Definitive Map, and is provided as a WMS map service. This can be viewed online (through [1] or [2]), alternatively it can be opened in QGIS, or similar. Direct imports into OSM are not advised as most of the paths are already mapped. This data should therefore be used as a cross-reference and for confirming path types. Worcestershire have got one of the better GIS services and initial contact with their GIS Programme Coordinator seemed positive. Note: This follows the earlier approval to use the Definitive Statements held by Worcestershire CC. Regards, Rob [1] http://data.gov.uk/dataset/public-rights-of-way/ [2] http://gis.worcestershire.gov.uk/WccGISOnline/maps.aspx ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] FW: [Talk-GB] Use of PRoW Definitive Statements from Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Worcestershire
Sorry Andy, I didn't get to the bottom of your email before I followed the links and asked the very questions your email was answering. Sorry Jonathan On 22/06/2012 13:36, Big Fat Frog wrote: Thanks Andy, this looks a lot of work you've put into this. I'm not sure what it all means but can we use information on footpaths, boundaries etc from those county's websites and if so what should we put in the Source field? Cheers Jonathan On 22/06/2012 09:00, Andy Robinson wrote: -Original Message- From: Robert Whittaker (OSM) [mailto:robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com] Sent: 21 June 2012 23:56 To: talk-gb Subject: [Talk-GB] Use of PRoW Definitive Statements from Hertfordshire, Oxfordshire, Worcestershire I'm pleased to be able to report that three councils have agreed to let us use their Definitive Statements of Public Rights of Way under the UK Open Government License (OGL). (I'll be posting the emails I sent to the councils and some other notes about the correspondence I had with them in a separate message for anyone who's interested.) The councils who've told me we can use their Definitive Statements under the OGL are: * Hertfordshire * Oxfordshire * Worcestershire The first two of these have the statements online in a convenient form [1], [2]. Worcestershire does not, but the text of each right of way is available from a link in the popup by clicking on the interactive map [3]. Accessing them in this way, it will be hard to avoid inadvertently making use of the additional information about the route of each way from the map. So I've obtained a list of all the image files, which I'm planning to use to allow direct access to the statements for each parish. Watch this space for more details, though first I have to chase up a few of the files that seem to be missing. The OGL requires attribution, so I've added details of these three counties to the appropriate wiki page [4]. (Unfortunately though, this page isn't obviously linked from the main OSM map or official copyright/license page [5] so I'm not convinced that attribution statements on [4] completely fulfil our obligations at the moment. Yes, we've provided attribution, but it's not somewhere that we could reasonably expect users to find it. I've been in touch with LWG about this, and fixing things is on their to do list -- though it seem from their minutes that this has been the case since September 2011. Does anyone know who is able to edit the text on [5]?) I'm hopeful that we'll be able to make use of the statements to verify the designation of already mapped ways, and add the appropriate designation tag where it's missing. In most cases, the description probably won't be enough to be able to map a way without a survey. However in conjunction with aerial imagery and maybe a bit of local knowledge, it may be possible to do so for some routes. But the statements will certainly be helpful in any effort of complete the mapping of public rights of way by identifying missing routes in need of a survey. To help with matching routes up and checking off what has been found, it will be useful to tag the ways with the Council's reference number, using our ref=* key. Doing so has been discussed on this list before [6]. (Though following some more recent discussion [7] we may be heading towards using prow:ref=* instead to avoid a clash with other uses of ref on the same ways.) In the thread at [6] it's been observed that different councils use different path numbering schemes, so we'll probably be unable to use a common scheme across the whole country. Looking at the numbering scheme used by the three councils above, I'd suggest the following ref formats: * Hertfordshire: [Parish] [0Num] * Oxfordshire: [Pn]/[Num] * Worcestershire: [PC]-[0Num] where [Parish] is the full parish name (in Title case), [Pn] is a numerical parish code, [PC] is a two letter parish code (with upper-case letters), [Num] is the numerical path number without leading zeros, and [0Num] is the numerical path number with leading zeros. (Note that Worcestershire has re-numbered all their paths, giving each segment between path junctions a distinct number within the parish. The definitive statements still use the old numbers in the route descriptions, and it might not be possible to tell which segment of each route has which new number. It it probably a good idea to store the original reference numbers in OSM too, eg with old_ref=[Parish] [Num] top make using the definitive statements easier.) Finally, when tagging ways with designation=* and/or ref=* based on the definitive statements, I think it would be useful to indicate the source. I'd suggest using source:designation=definitive_statement and/or source:ref=definitive_statement as appropriate. Best wishes, Robert. [1] http://www.hertsdirect.org/services/envplan/countryside/walkingandriding /row/defmap/defstate/ [2] http://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/content/definitive-map
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] HOTOSM
Hi Guys, At the risk of telling you something you already know but are you aware of this project: http://hot.openstreetmap.org/ It about making maps for humanitarian efforts, so if you get bored of the West Midlands here's an area that could do with your help. Check out their simple but affective tasking tool: http://tasks.hotosm.org/ Cheers Jon ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Houses and other buildings
Hi all, When I look at a lot of towns all the houses etc have been traced but not in others, I can't beleive someone has sat down and done each house one by one? Where is this coming from and how can I get it for my area? Cheers Jon (bigfatfrog67) ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Houses and other buildings
If you look in Birmingham then all the houses are there, I can't beleive that was done manually. There must have been an import sometime. On 08/06/2012 22:38, Matt Williams wrote: On 8 June 2012 22:12, Big Fat Frogbigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, When I look at a lot of towns all the houses etc have been traced but not in others, I can't beleive someone has sat down and done each house one by one? Where is this coming from and how can I get it for my area? It depends on where you're looking but I think that in most areas, the building have been traced manually. For example almost all the buildings at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.39399lon=-1.57597zoom=15layers=M have been traced by me from Bing aerial imagery. It can be tedious but sometimes my OCD gets the better of me :) Cheers, Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Houses and other buildings
Wow Matt, which one are you out of The Big Bang Theory? Sheldon, Leonard, Howard or Raj? ;-) On 08/06/2012 22:38, Matt Williams wrote: On 8 June 2012 22:12, Big Fat Frogbigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, When I look at a lot of towns all the houses etc have been traced but not in others, I can't beleive someone has sat down and done each house one by one? Where is this coming from and how can I get it for my area? It depends on where you're looking but I think that in most areas, the building have been traced manually. For example almost all the buildings at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.39399lon=-1.57597zoom=15layers=M have been traced by me from Bing aerial imagery. It can be tedious but sometimes my OCD gets the better of me :) Cheers, Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Houses and other buildings
OMG that's amazing. Why can't we get it from OS Opendata? On 08/06/2012 23:06, Andy Robinson wrote: All done manually, there is no magic import. Its several years of hard graft tracing from Bing imagery and if they also have numbers also from ground survey. Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Big Fat Frog [mailto:bigfatfro...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 June 2012 22:46 To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Houses and other buildings If you look in Birmingham then all the houses are there, I can't beleive that was done manually. There must have been an import sometime. On 08/06/2012 22:38, Matt Williams wrote: On 8 June 2012 22:12, Big Fat Frogbigfatfro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, When I look at a lot of towns all the houses etc have been traced but not in others, I can't beleive someone has sat down and done each house one by one? Where is this coming from and how can I get it for my area? It depends on where you're looking but I think that in most areas, the building have been traced manually. For example almost all the buildings at http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.39399lon=- 1.57597zoom=15layers =M have been traced by me from Bing aerial imagery. It can be tedious but sometimes my OCD gets the better of me :) Cheers, Matt ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Personal Survey Points
Hi all, Been it this for a few months now, got a Garmin Etrex Hcx, quite pleased with it's accuracy but am wondering how best to add my personal survey points to OSM. When I come across a land feature or man-made feature that is visible from sat imagery that is very distinct, such as the corner of a wall, I like to take an averaged waymark, with as many points as I have time for, I can usually get the approx accuract down to less than a metre. How should I tag such waymarks on OSM? Cheers Jonathan ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
