[Talk-bd] OSMBD Community Working Group Meeting Updates

2024-06-22 Per discussione OSM Bangladesh Community WG
We had a productive OSMBD Community Working Group meeting on June 22, 2024,
chaired by Sawan Shariar
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hosted by Mehedi Hasan Ovi
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and notetaked by Aminul Islam
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We began with introductions and an icebreaker about Eid celebrations.
Shoutouts were given to Sarafat Islam Sohan
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Brazil Singh Rittik
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and Joti Joty Shaha RaDha
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for their mapping contributions. Key agenda items included updates on the
State of the Map Bangladesh and Asia, global mapping initiatives, and ways
to enhance community engagement. Highlights included discussing local team
meetups and knocking active members for better participation. The next
meeting will feature Hasibul Ahmed Polok in the Community Spotlight, with Rifah
Tasfia
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hosting and Faiza Waziha
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as the notetaker.
Let's all subscribe to TalkBD and stay active in the OSMBD Community
Working Group!

Meeting minutes are here,
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1f96aJCito1d5ayhQMCgCiETp3BVGg74bCJeBiWVUO8Q/edit?usp=sharing


#OSMBD
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#OSMBD_CWG
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[OSM-talk-fr] Mois cartographique dans le cadre d'une résidence Wikimédia

2024-06-18 Per discussione MONTAGNE DELPHINE
Bonjour,

Vous l'avez peut-être vu passer en lisant (très) attentivement le programme du 
SOTM, pour un an, je suis en "résidence Wikimédia" dans le cadre d'un 
partenariat entre le Ministère de la recherche et l'enseignement supérieur. 
Concrètement, je forme sur ces sujets les universitaires, bibliothèques et 
archives. Plus à la marge, je contribue sur les projets wikimédia (Wikipédia, 
Wikidata, Commons etc.).

Mon objectif est aussi de lever les verrous qui limitent la contribution à ces 
projets collaboratifs et favoriser les interactions avec d'autres projets 
libres. OSM par exemple, puisque c'est pas là que j'ai commencé.

En juin, j'axe ma résidence sur la cartographie et OSM. Des présentations sont 
prévues, ainsi que des formations. Mais j'ouvre également la discussion auprès 
de vous sur ce sujet volontairement large : il y a-t-il des pages Wikipédia qui 
vous semblent prioritaires ? Des manques flagrants ? Avez-vous identifié des 
verrous particuliers que je pourrais peut-être lever durant ma résidence ?

J'ouvre le sujet ici, mais si vous êtes plus à l'aise avec les échanges sur 
Wikipédia, le rendez-vous peut être 
là<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion_utilisateur:DMontagne_en_r%C3%A9sidence>.

J'ai également une liste de 
souhaits<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:DMontagne_en_r%C3%A9sidence/Liste_de_souhaits>
 plus large.

Quant au programme, évolutif, de ma résidence vous pouvez le retrouver sur 
cette page<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Wikifier_la_science/Lyon>.


Et je serai aussi au State of the Map (l'URFIST, structure qui m'accueille, est 
partenaire de l'événement) si vous souhaitez en discuter de vive voix.


Bien cordialement,


Delphine Montagne

Wikimédienne en résidence

Suivre le projet Wikifier la 
science<https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Wikifier_la_science/Lyon>

S'abonner à la lettre d'information 
Wikilab<https://lists.wikimedia.fr/subscribe/wikilab?previous_action=info>

URFIST de Lyon - Université Lyon 1 Claude Bernard

Bibliothèque Universitaire de Sciences

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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-18 Per discussione Ewen Hill
Hi Brendan,
  Thanks for discussion and this sounds completely logical to do as you
have suggested and also thank you for updating the Wiki

Regards

Ewen

On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 at 15:29, Brendan Barnes  wrote:

> Thanks for the conversation. Sounds like the Aussie mappers are in clear
> agreement so updated
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:40, Andrew Harvey 
> wrote:
>
>> I agree, indeed some are already mapped this way
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7032873
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:20, cleary  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> This was discussed about a decade ago in regard to unincorporated areas
>>> in NSW and SA.  The prevailing view was that unincorporated areas are local
>>> government areas. They usually have a different administrative structure
>>> (as distinct from the councils that administer local government in more
>>> populated areas) but irrespective of administrative structure, they are
>>> still areas which are subject to a form of local governance.  An area does
>>> not need a council to make it a local government area.
>>>
>>> "Unincorporated" means that the administrative body is not a legal
>>> entity that can enter into contracts/debt etc like a company - usually
>>> because the areas have insufficient population to support such
>>> administrative structures. However decision making is often delegated to
>>> the local level.  In NSW, the large western unincorporated area used to be
>>> administered by a board - I think it has changed and now has an
>>> administrator although, as far as I know, Roads and Maritime Services
>>> remains responsible for the roads in the area.  Lord Howe Island is an
>>> unincorporated area administered by a local board.  In recent years, Sydney
>>> Harbour (including much of Parramatta RIver) and Botany Bay have been
>>> removed from local council controls and are now an unincorporated area of
>>> NSW - I am uncertain of the administrative arrangements but I think it was
>>> intended that state government authorities or administrators would exercise
>>> necessary governance over the Harbour area.
>>>
>>> For example, if one views NSW Local Government Areas at
>>>
>>> https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.spatial.nsw.gov.au%2Fserver%2Frest%2Fservices%2FNSW_Administrative_Boundaries_Theme%2FFeatureServer%2F8=sd
>>> and then "left click" (or whatever works in your browser) when the
>>> cursor is in Sydney Harbour, you will get responses such as
>>> "LocalGovernmentArea: UNINCORPORATED - SYDNEY HARBOUR AREA"  This URL can
>>> be acccessed directly or via the NSW Spatial Services website.
>>>
>>> Unincorporated areas are local government areas, albeit with a different
>>> form of governance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, at 8:51 AM, Brendan Barnes wrote:
>>> > Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level
>>> > unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
>>> >
>>> > In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas
>>> > are administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments,
>>> > so I'm thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government
>>> > authorities.
>>> >
>>> > ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching
>>> > the territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
>>> >
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas
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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-17 Per discussione Brendan Barnes
Thanks for the conversation. Sounds like the Aussie mappers are in clear
agreement so updated
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels


On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:40, Andrew Harvey 
wrote:

> I agree, indeed some are already mapped this way
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7032873
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:20, cleary  wrote:
>
>>
>> This was discussed about a decade ago in regard to unincorporated areas
>> in NSW and SA.  The prevailing view was that unincorporated areas are local
>> government areas. They usually have a different administrative structure
>> (as distinct from the councils that administer local government in more
>> populated areas) but irrespective of administrative structure, they are
>> still areas which are subject to a form of local governance.  An area does
>> not need a council to make it a local government area.
>>
>> "Unincorporated" means that the administrative body is not a legal entity
>> that can enter into contracts/debt etc like a company - usually because the
>> areas have insufficient population to support such administrative
>> structures. However decision making is often delegated to the local level.
>> In NSW, the large western unincorporated area used to be administered by a
>> board - I think it has changed and now has an administrator although, as
>> far as I know, Roads and Maritime Services remains responsible for the
>> roads in the area.  Lord Howe Island is an unincorporated area administered
>> by a local board.  In recent years, Sydney Harbour (including much of
>> Parramatta RIver) and Botany Bay have been removed from local council
>> controls and are now an unincorporated area of NSW - I am uncertain of the
>> administrative arrangements but I think it was intended that state
>> government authorities or administrators would exercise necessary
>> governance over the Harbour area.
>>
>> For example, if one views NSW Local Government Areas at
>>
>> https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.spatial.nsw.gov.au%2Fserver%2Frest%2Fservices%2FNSW_Administrative_Boundaries_Theme%2FFeatureServer%2F8=sd
>> and then "left click" (or whatever works in your browser) when the cursor
>> is in Sydney Harbour, you will get responses such as "LocalGovernmentArea:
>> UNINCORPORATED - SYDNEY HARBOUR AREA"  This URL can be acccessed directly
>> or via the NSW Spatial Services website.
>>
>> Unincorporated areas are local government areas, albeit with a different
>> form of governance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, at 8:51 AM, Brendan Barnes wrote:
>> > Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level
>> > unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
>> >
>> > In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas
>> > are administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments,
>> > so I'm thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government
>> > authorities.
>> >
>> > ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching
>> > the territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
>> >
>> >
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requêtes Overpass pour les cheminements piétons

2024-06-17 Per discussione Francois Gouget
On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, Marc_marc via Talk-fr wrote:
[...]
> Beaau travail mais cela ne fait-il pas un éparpiement avec osmose ?
> je trouve pratiqeu d'avoir tout le QA dans un lieu réduit d'endroit
> pour éviter d'avoir à ouvrir plein d'outil pour tout vérifieir :)

J'adore Osmose mais il y a deux problèmes concernant l'ajout dans 
Osmose :
1. Certaines requêtes n'ont pas leur place dans Osmose. Par exemple
   tout ce qui est visualisation vu qu'une minorité des objets 
   visualisés pourraient correspondre à une erreur (voir aucun, cas des 
   lampadaires). Même pour les autres requêtes il faudrait être sûr 
   qu'il n'y a pas trop de faux positifs (en même temps dans Osmose on 
   pourrait probablement faire des filtres plus sophistiqués).
2. Ajouter une nouvelle vérif Osmose est plus compliqué et pour 
   l'instant je n'ai pas le temps de me pencher dessus.

Mais je suis d'accord que, si certaines de ces requêtes prouvent leur 
intérêt, les avoir dans Osmose serait idéal.


> j'ai un soucis avec la formulation du premier :
> "Passage piéton connecté au milieu d’un chemin piéton au lieu d’être 
> connecté à une extrémité"
> passage piéton = le noeud ? si oui je vois pas ce qui empeche d'être au 
> milieu d'un way de par 3 points décrivant la traversé

Dans le cas de cette requête le passage piéton est du filaire : 
highway=footway + footway=crossing. Il y a un schéma quelque part qui 
explique le problème mais je ne le retrouve plus.


> Le 15.06.24 à 02:52, Francois Gouget a écrit :
> > J'ai utilisé des permalinks comme lien vers les requêtes Overpass mais
> > ce faisant je reçois un avertissement comme quoi ils pourraient ne pas
> > marcher parce que la requête est longue 
> 
> je pense que cela n'a aucun rapport avec le partage de lien
> ajouter l'instruction timeout devrait aider les longues requêtes
> si le serveur n'est pas trop sous eau.

Mes requêtes ont toutes une instruction timeout. Note : je reçois 
l'avertissement lors de la création du permalien, pas lors de 
l'exécution de la requête.


> > rencontré des problèmes avec le bouton "save on osm.org": il n'a marché
> > qu'une fois
> 
> j'ai plein de requête sauvée ainsi sans soucis tu as eu quoi exactement 
> comme soucis ?

Je clique sur le bouton "save on osm.org" et rien ne se passe : le 
dialogue reste affiché tel quel. J'ai l'impression que la première 
fois cela marche et qu'après il faudrait que je redémarre le navigateur 
(j'ai testé avec une session privée mais cela n'a pas marché non plus).


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Re: [Talk-se] Samtal med Läntmäteriet om användning av topowebb och ortofoto

2024-06-17 Per discussione Joel Grafström
APIer finns redan och används redan idag av folk i till exempel JOSM för 
ortofoton, även om licensen inte är fri än. API åtkomst är krav från EU. 
LM har förberett sin IT infrastruktur för ökad belastning.

(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/om-lantmateriet/press/nyheter/lantmateriets-arbete-mot-oppna-data-i-full-gang/)

Ingen risk att det förlängs, LM har redan fått maximal förlängning.
(https://www.regeringen.se/contentassets/9bb49451587c4e5d8a783c4be57128f4/undantag-fran-kravet-att-tillgangliggora-sarskilt-vardefulla-dataset-avgiftsfritt.pdf)

//Joel

Den 2024-06-17 kl. 19:55, skrev Markku Siipola via Talk-se:


Som redan sagt kommer öppen data från LM inom en ganska snart tid. Jag 
ser ingen större nytta med att lägga tid på förhandlingar, som vi får 
utan förhandlingar några månader senare.


Sådan förhandling skulle ha gjorts för flera år sedan, då hade det 
kanske varit till nytta.


Vänligen
Markku

Den 2024-06-17 kl. 18:28, skrev Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se:
Finns nog en chans at vi inte kommer få API utan måste hosta det 
själva någonstans, vilket kan ta ett tag antar jag, eller att det 
blir förlängt att lägga ut data


Men topografi 50 är ganska lågupplöst just nu så kan inte se 
individuella kvarter eller områden så enkelt där


Skulle ändå vara bra med ett samtal tycker jag, får vi lite mer tryck 
på LM och möjlighet till bättre integration för att hjälpa bl.a. OSM


Freya Gustavsson
75E3 741A AE12 6527 985C 1C02 E569 475F D614 16C8

On Monday, June 17th, 2024 at 17:49, Joel Grafström  
wrote:


Hej!

I fall du inte redan visste det så kommer Lantmäteriet (senast) 10 
februari 2025 att släppa detta som öppna data, enligt krav från EU. 
Så kan du vänta 8 månader så kommer det lösa sig ändå :)


Dessutom är topowebb topografi 50 (den som finns i JOSM till 
exempel) redan öppna data, så fritt fram att plocka namn och dyligt 
från den. 
(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/topografisk-webbkarta-visning-oversiktlig/)


Det som kommer släppas som öppna data i februari är bl.a. adress- 
och byggnadsdata, info om fastighetsgränser, höjddata, hydrografi, 
kartor och ortofoton. 
(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/om-lantmateriet/press/nyheter/nytt-regeringsbeslut-kring-oppna-data/)


Observera att ortofoton inte är släppta som öppna data än. Vissa 
använder det ändå, men enligt mig bryter det mot OSMs användarvillkor.


Mvh Joel (anv Leojth)


Den 2024-06-17 kl. 14:54, skrev Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se:

Hej alla!

Har frågat Läntmäteriet om tillstånd att använda deras 
fastighets/topowebb-karta då vi tidigare fått ett tillstånd att 
använda ortofoto som en referens, och det skulle hjälpa enormt att 
mappa byggnader, addresser, namn, berg, m.fl.


Då jag inte vet att jag inte kommer kunna ge alla svar så vill jag 
helst ha med några till något möte med LM om användning av data och 
vad det innebär. Tänker att vi inte är allt för många men 
definitivt 2-4 stycken till skulle vara perfekt


LMs svar på förfrågan om användning av topowebb som referens

Hej,

Tack för din förfrågan och ursäkta sen återkoppling. När vi
tillhandahåller vår geodata medföljer alltid någon form av
villkor. Vissa produkter omfattas av en öppen datalicens, CC0,
men många har vi fortfarande våra egna licensvillkor för, se
denna länk.

https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/Villkor-och-avgifter/

och denna länk för att läsa om våra produkter.

https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/

Vi gör skillnad på vad man får göra som slutanvändare och som
vidareförädlare.

Ett vanligt slutanvändarvillkor avser endast användning inom en
organisation eller användningen av en enskild person. Att
sprida informationen vidare omfattas däremot av andra avtal som
kan skrivas om man blir en vidareförädlare av Lantmäteriets
information. Avtalen som reglerar spridning av information till
andra utanför den egna organisationen kallas för
följdproduktavtal och skrivs för varje enskild följdprodukt som
en vidareförädlare avser tillhandahålla.

Vi skulle vilja föreslå ett möte med er efter sommaren för att
diskutera igenom vad det är ni vill göra lite mer i detalj. Hör
gärna av dig med ett datum som passar dig så kan vi skicka en
inbjudan.


Med vänliga hälsningar
Ingela
Kundansvarig, Geodatasupport


Freya Gustavsson
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Re: [Talk-se] Samtal med Läntmäteriet om användning av topowebb och ortofoto

2024-06-17 Per discussione Markku Siipola via Talk-se
Som redan sagt kommer öppen data från LM inom en ganska snart tid. Jag 
ser ingen större nytta med att lägga tid på förhandlingar, som vi får 
utan förhandlingar några månader senare.


Sådan förhandling skulle ha gjorts för flera år sedan, då hade det 
kanske varit till nytta.


Vänligen
Markku

Den 2024-06-17 kl. 18:28, skrev Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se:
Finns nog en chans at vi inte kommer få API utan måste hosta det 
själva någonstans, vilket kan ta ett tag antar jag, eller att det blir 
förlängt att lägga ut data


Men topografi 50 är ganska lågupplöst just nu så kan inte se 
individuella kvarter eller områden så enkelt där


Skulle ändå vara bra med ett samtal tycker jag, får vi lite mer tryck 
på LM och möjlighet till bättre integration för att hjälpa bl.a. OSM


Freya Gustavsson
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On Monday, June 17th, 2024 at 17:49, Joel Grafström  
wrote:


Hej!

I fall du inte redan visste det så kommer Lantmäteriet (senast) 10 
februari 2025 att släppa detta som öppna data, enligt krav från EU. 
Så kan du vänta 8 månader så kommer det lösa sig ändå :)


Dessutom är topowebb topografi 50 (den som finns i JOSM till exempel) 
redan öppna data, så fritt fram att plocka namn och dyligt från den. 
(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/topografisk-webbkarta-visning-oversiktlig/)


Det som kommer släppas som öppna data i februari är bl.a. adress- och 
byggnadsdata, info om fastighetsgränser, höjddata, hydrografi, kartor 
och ortofoton. 
(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/om-lantmateriet/press/nyheter/nytt-regeringsbeslut-kring-oppna-data/)


Observera att ortofoton inte är släppta som öppna data än. Vissa 
använder det ändå, men enligt mig bryter det mot OSMs användarvillkor.


Mvh Joel (anv Leojth)


Den 2024-06-17 kl. 14:54, skrev Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se:

Hej alla!

Har frågat Läntmäteriet om tillstånd att använda deras 
fastighets/topowebb-karta då vi tidigare fått ett tillstånd att 
använda ortofoto som en referens, och det skulle hjälpa enormt att 
mappa byggnader, addresser, namn, berg, m.fl.


Då jag inte vet att jag inte kommer kunna ge alla svar så vill jag 
helst ha med några till något möte med LM om användning av data och 
vad det innebär. Tänker att vi inte är allt för många men definitivt 
2-4 stycken till skulle vara perfekt


LMs svar på förfrågan om användning av topowebb som referens

Hej,

Tack för din förfrågan och ursäkta sen återkoppling. När vi
tillhandahåller vår geodata medföljer alltid någon form av
villkor. Vissa produkter omfattas av en öppen datalicens, CC0,
men många har vi fortfarande våra egna licensvillkor för, se
denna länk.

https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/Villkor-och-avgifter/

och denna länk för att läsa om våra produkter.

https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/

Vi gör skillnad på vad man får göra som slutanvändare och som
vidareförädlare.

Ett vanligt slutanvändarvillkor avser endast användning inom en
organisation eller användningen av en enskild person. Att sprida
informationen vidare omfattas däremot av andra avtal som kan
skrivas om man blir en vidareförädlare av Lantmäteriets
information. Avtalen som reglerar spridning av information till
andra utanför den egna organisationen kallas för
följdproduktavtal och skrivs för varje enskild följdprodukt som
en vidareförädlare avser tillhandahålla.

Vi skulle vilja föreslå ett möte med er efter sommaren för att
diskutera igenom vad det är ni vill göra lite mer i detalj. Hör
gärna av dig med ett datum som passar dig så kan vi skicka en
inbjudan.


Med vänliga hälsningar
Ingela
Kundansvarig, Geodatasupport


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Re: [Talk-se] Samtal med Läntmäteriet om användning av topowebb och ortofoto

2024-06-17 Per discussione Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se
Finns nog en chans at vi inte kommer få API utan måste hosta det själva 
någonstans, vilket kan ta ett tag antar jag, eller att det blir förlängt att 
lägga ut data

Men topografi 50 är ganska lågupplöst just nu så kan inte se individuella 
kvarter eller områden så enkelt där

Skulle ändå vara bra med ett samtal tycker jag, får vi lite mer tryck på LM och 
möjlighet till bättre integration för att hjälpa bl.a. OSM

Freya Gustavsson
75E3 741A AE12 6527 985C 1C02 E569 475F D614 16C8

On Monday, June 17th, 2024 at 17:49, Joel Grafström  wrote:

> Hej!
>
> I fall du inte redan visste det så kommer Lantmäteriet (senast) 10 februari 
> 2025 att släppa detta som öppna data, enligt krav från EU. Så kan du vänta 8 
> månader så kommer det lösa sig ändå :)
>
> Dessutom är topowebb topografi 50 (den som finns i JOSM till exempel) redan 
> öppna data, så fritt fram att plocka namn och dyligt från den. 
> (https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/topografisk-webbkarta-visning-oversiktlig/)
>
> Det som kommer släppas som öppna data i februari är bl.a. adress- och 
> byggnadsdata, info om fastighetsgränser, höjddata, hydrografi, kartor och 
> ortofoton. 
> (https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/om-lantmateriet/press/nyheter/nytt-regeringsbeslut-kring-oppna-data/)
>
> Observera att ortofoton inte är släppta som öppna data än. Vissa använder det 
> ändå, men enligt mig bryter det mot OSMs användarvillkor.
>
> Mvh Joel (anv Leojth)
>
> Den 2024-06-17 kl. 14:54, skrev Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se:
>
>> Hej alla!
>>
>> Har frågat Läntmäteriet om tillstånd att använda deras 
>> fastighets/topowebb-karta då vi tidigare fått ett tillstånd att använda 
>> ortofoto som en referens, och det skulle hjälpa enormt att mappa byggnader, 
>> addresser, namn, berg, m.fl.
>>
>> Då jag inte vet att jag inte kommer kunna ge alla svar så vill jag helst ha 
>> med några till något möte med LM om användning av data och vad det innebär. 
>> Tänker att vi inte är allt för många men definitivt 2-4 stycken till skulle 
>> vara perfekt
>>
>> LMs svar på förfrågan om användning av topowebb som referens
>>
>>> Hej,
>>>
>>> Tack för din förfrågan och ursäkta sen återkoppling. När vi tillhandahåller 
>>> vår geodata medföljer alltid någon form av villkor. Vissa produkter 
>>> omfattas av en öppen datalicens, CC0, men många har vi fortfarande våra 
>>> egna licensvillkor för, se denna länk.
>>>
>>> https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/Villkor-och-avgifter/
>>>
>>> och denna länk för att läsa om våra produkter.
>>>
>>> https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/
>>>
>>> Vi gör skillnad på vad man får göra som slutanvändare och som 
>>> vidareförädlare.
>>>
>>> Ett vanligt slutanvändarvillkor avser endast användning inom en 
>>> organisation eller användningen av en enskild person. Att sprida 
>>> informationen vidare omfattas däremot av andra avtal som kan skrivas om man 
>>> blir en vidareförädlare av Lantmäteriets information. Avtalen som reglerar 
>>> spridning av information till andra utanför den egna organisationen kallas 
>>> för följdproduktavtal och skrivs för varje enskild följdprodukt som en 
>>> vidareförädlare avser tillhandahålla.
>>>
>>> Vi skulle vilja föreslå ett möte med er efter sommaren för att diskutera 
>>> igenom vad det är ni vill göra lite mer i detalj. Hör gärna av dig med ett 
>>> datum som passar dig så kan vi skicka en inbjudan.
>>>
>>> Med vänliga hälsningar
>>> Ingela Kundansvarig, Geodatasupport
>>
>> Freya Gustavsson
>> 75E3 741A AE12 6527 985C 1C02 E569 475F D614 16C8
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Re: [OSM-talk] talk Digest, Vol 238, Issue 4

2024-06-17 Per discussione Ryan Peterson
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Re: [Talk-se] Samtal med Läntmäteriet om användning av topowebb och ortofoto

2024-06-17 Per discussione Joel Grafström

Hej!

I fall du inte redan visste det så kommer Lantmäteriet (senast) 10 
februari 2025 att släppa detta som öppna data, enligt krav från EU. Så 
kan du vänta 8 månader så kommer det lösa sig ändå :)


Dessutom är topowebb topografi 50 (den som finns i JOSM till exempel) 
redan öppna data, så fritt fram att plocka namn och dyligt från den. 
(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/topografisk-webbkarta-visning-oversiktlig/)


Det som kommer släppas som öppna data i februari är bl.a. adress- och 
byggnadsdata, info om fastighetsgränser, höjddata, hydrografi, kartor 
och ortofoton. 
(https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/om-lantmateriet/press/nyheter/nytt-regeringsbeslut-kring-oppna-data/)


Observera att ortofoton inte är släppta som öppna data än. Vissa 
använder det ändå, men enligt mig bryter det mot OSMs användarvillkor.


Mvh Joel (anv Leojth)


Den 2024-06-17 kl. 14:54, skrev Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se:

Hej alla!

Har frågat Läntmäteriet om tillstånd att använda deras 
fastighets/topowebb-karta då vi tidigare fått ett tillstånd att 
använda ortofoto som en referens, och det skulle hjälpa enormt att 
mappa byggnader, addresser, namn, berg, m.fl.


Då jag inte vet att jag inte kommer kunna ge alla svar så vill jag 
helst ha med några till något möte med LM om användning av data och 
vad det innebär. Tänker att vi inte är allt för många men definitivt 
2-4 stycken till skulle vara perfekt


LMs svar på förfrågan om användning av topowebb som referens

Hej,

Tack för din förfrågan och ursäkta sen återkoppling. När vi
tillhandahåller vår geodata medföljer alltid någon form av
villkor. Vissa produkter omfattas av en öppen datalicens, CC0, men
många har vi fortfarande våra egna licensvillkor för, se denna länk.

https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/Villkor-och-avgifter/

och denna länk för att läsa om våra produkter.

https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/

Vi gör skillnad på vad man får göra som slutanvändare och som
vidareförädlare.

Ett vanligt slutanvändarvillkor avser endast användning inom en
organisation eller användningen av en enskild person. Att sprida
informationen vidare omfattas däremot av andra avtal som kan
skrivas om man blir en vidareförädlare av Lantmäteriets
information. Avtalen som reglerar spridning av information till
andra utanför den egna organisationen kallas för följdproduktavtal
och skrivs för varje enskild följdprodukt som en vidareförädlare
avser tillhandahålla.

Vi skulle vilja föreslå ett möte med er efter sommaren för att
diskutera igenom vad det är ni vill göra lite mer i detalj. Hör
gärna av dig med ett datum som passar dig så kan vi skicka en
inbjudan.


Med vänliga hälsningar
Ingela
Kundansvarig, Geodatasupport


Freya Gustavsson
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[Talk-se] Samtal med Läntmäteriet om användning av topowebb och ortofoto

2024-06-17 Per discussione Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se
Hej alla!

Har frågat Läntmäteriet om tillstånd att använda deras 
fastighets/topowebb-karta då vi tidigare fått ett tillstånd att använda 
ortofoto som en referens, och det skulle hjälpa enormt att mappa byggnader, 
addresser, namn, berg, m.fl.

Då jag inte vet att jag inte kommer kunna ge alla svar så vill jag helst ha med 
några till något möte med LM om användning av data och vad det innebär. Tänker 
att vi inte är allt för många men definitivt 2-4 stycken till skulle vara 
perfekt

LMs svar på förfrågan om användning av topowebb som referens

> Hej,
>
> Tack för din förfrågan och ursäkta sen återkoppling. När vi tillhandahåller 
> vår geodata medföljer alltid någon form av villkor. Vissa produkter omfattas 
> av en öppen datalicens, CC0, men många har vi fortfarande våra egna 
> licensvillkor för, se denna länk.
>
> https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/Villkor-och-avgifter/
>
> och denna länk för att läsa om våra produkter.
>
> https://www.lantmateriet.se/sv/geodata/vara-produkter/produktlista/
>
> Vi gör skillnad på vad man får göra som slutanvändare och som vidareförädlare.
>
> Ett vanligt slutanvändarvillkor avser endast användning inom en organisation 
> eller användningen av en enskild person. Att sprida informationen vidare 
> omfattas däremot av andra avtal som kan skrivas om man blir en 
> vidareförädlare av Lantmäteriets information. Avtalen som reglerar spridning 
> av information till andra utanför den egna organisationen kallas för 
> följdproduktavtal och skrivs för varje enskild följdprodukt som en 
> vidareförädlare avser tillhandahålla.
>
> Vi skulle vilja föreslå ett möte med er efter sommaren för att diskutera 
> igenom vad det är ni vill göra lite mer i detalj. Hör gärna av dig med ett 
> datum som passar dig så kan vi skicka en inbjudan.
>
> Med vänliga hälsningar
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requêtes Overpass pour les cheminements piétons

2024-06-17 Per discussione Marc_marc via Talk-fr

Bonjour,

Beaau travail mais cela ne fait-il pas un éparpiement avec osmose ?
je trouve pratiqeu d'avoir tout le QA dans un lieu réduit d'endroit
pour éviter d'avoir à ouvrir plein d'outil pour tout vérifieir :)

j'ai un soucis avec la formulation du premier :
"Passage piéton connecté au milieu d’un chemin piéton au lieu d’être 
connecté à une extrémité"
passage piéton = le noeud ? si oui je vois pas ce qui empeche d'être au 
milieu d'un way de par 3 points décrivant la traversé


Le 15.06.24 à 02:52, Francois Gouget a écrit :

J'ai utilisé des permalinks comme lien vers les requêtes Overpass mais
ce faisant je reçois un avertissement comme quoi ils pourraient ne pas
marcher parce que la requête est longue 


je pense que cela n'a aucun rapport avec le partage de lien
ajouter l'instruction timeout devrait aider les longues requêtes
si le serveur n'est pas trop sous eau.


rencontré des problèmes avec le bouton "save on osm.org": il n'a marché
qu'une fois


j'ai plein de requête sauvée ainsi sans soucis tu as eu quoi exactement 
comme soucis ?



je ne sais pas comment créer un lien qui utiliserait une requête sauvée.


je ne connais pas de moyen de partagé une requête sauvée dans ton compte

Cordialement,
Marc




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Re: [OSM-talk] microsoft/BuildingFootprints

2024-06-17 Per discussione john whelan
I think the guidelines cover it nicely.  I'll sprinkle a few pointers
around.

I've found changeset comments don't work terribly well with HOT mappers.
By the time I stumble across a problem it's a year or more later and they
last mapped 9 months ago.

In theory they do have a validation process but in practice they have fewer
validators than they need.

The other problem is currently many have a comment saying Microsoft
buildingfootprints.  DWG them and the quick solution is to leave the
comment off.

It's a balance between adding a lot more buildings in and adding too many.
In some areas with few buildings they are useful.

With the new mapathon clean up tools in JOSM duplicate buildings aren't a
major problem and these buildings are a lot better than many drawn with ID
but an ounce of prevention saves a lot of clean up plus until it is cleaned
up it messes population estimates up.

Thank you for the pointer.

Cheerio John

On Mon, Jun 17, 2024, 05:05 Mateusz Konieczny via talk, <
talk@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> So they need either actual human review or going through that process.
> If buildings are being duplicated on large scale than likely neither was
> followed.
>
> I would write changeset comment on their edit asking to fix that.
> In worse cases - revert edits altogether and in the worst or continued
> contact DWG
> to get them blocked (starting from 0-hour block in milder cases).
>
> Note that occasional mistake happens to everyone, but people should also
> react if they get changeset comment and fix data they broke.
>
> Jun 14, 2024, 03:34 by jwhelan0...@gmail.com:
>
> I'm seeing earlier buildings being duplicated by these in Uganda by at
> least one HOT project.
>
> Do we have a formal protocol on how these should be "imported"?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] microsoft/BuildingFootprints

2024-06-17 Per discussione Mateusz Konieczny via talk
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines

So they need either actual human review or going through that process.
If buildings are being duplicated on large scale than likely neither was 
followed.

I would write changeset comment on their edit asking to fix that.
In worse cases - revert edits altogether and in the worst or continued contact 
DWG
to get them blocked (starting from 0-hour block in milder cases).

Note that occasional mistake happens to everyone, but people should also
react if they get changeset comment and fix data they broke.

Jun 14, 2024, 03:34 by jwhelan0...@gmail.com:

> I'm seeing earlier buildings being duplicated by these in Uganda by at least 
> one HOT project.
>  
>  Do we have a formal protocol on how these should be "imported"?
>  
>  Thanks John
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Requêtes Overpass pour les cheminements piétons

2024-06-17 Per discussione Noémie Lehuby via Talk-fr

Bonjour,

Merci pour le partage, c'est très intéressant.

J'avais aussi un peu bossé sur le contrôle qualité de ces données et 
proposé 2 challenges Maproulette : 
https://forum.openstreetmap.fr/t/amelioration-donnees-pietonnes-a-paris/20358/1

mais ils n'ont pas eu un grand succès.

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Le 15/06/2024 à 02:52, Francois Gouget a écrit :

Bonjour,

J'ai découvert récemment que pratiquement tous les trottoirs et passages
piétons de Paris sont maintenant présents sur la carte. Donc d'abord je
tire mon chapeau à l'équipe de SonarVision qui a réalisé là un sacré
travail.

Mais c'est inévitable : plein de nouveaux objets veut aussi dire pas mal
de nouvelles erreurs. En parcourant la carte j'ai repéré un certain
nombre de cas courants et je me suis dit que ce serait pratique de
pouvoir trouver tous les cas similaires.

Du coup j'ai écrit quelques requêtes Overpass et je me dit que cela
pourrait intéresser d'autres contributeurs, pas qu'à Paris d'ailleurs.
Et puis tout corriger va quand même représenter pas mal de travail donc
autant que tout le monde puisse participer. J'ai donc décidé de les
partager via ma page de profil :

   https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fgouget

Les premières requêtes sont :
* Passages piétons non/mal connectés aux trottoirs
   (~3000 résultats sur Paris)
* Propriété crossing incorrecte pour un passage piéton avec feu piéton (~2300)
* Passages piétons avec crossing=b (~600)

Ces requêtes marchent pour n'importe quelle ville. Mais s'il n'y a pas
de way représentant les trottoirs et passages piétons elles ne
retourneront pas grand chose.

J'ai d'autres requêtes en réserve mais pour chaque requête j'essaie de
décrire le problème, comment le corriger, ainsi que les faux positifs et
faux négatifs potentiels... et ce n'est pas encore fait pour les autres.

J'espère ne pas avoir dit trop de bétises pour les explications des
requêtes actuelles. Y a-t-il d'autres points qu'il faudrait préciser ?

J'ai utilisé des permalinks comme lien vers les requêtes Overpass mais
ce faisant je reçois un avertissement comme quoi ils pourraient ne pas
marcher parce que la requête est longue (... tous ces commentaires
explicatifs). Y a-t-il une meilleure façon de faire ? J'ai notamment
rencontré des problèmes avec le bouton "save on osm.org": il n'a marché
qu'une fois, le reste du temps rien ne se passe. De toute façon je ne
sais pas comment créer un lien qui utiliserait une requête sauvée.




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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Per discussione Andrew Harvey
I agree, indeed some are already mapped this way
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7032873

On Mon, 17 Jun 2024 at 15:20, cleary  wrote:

>
> This was discussed about a decade ago in regard to unincorporated areas in
> NSW and SA.  The prevailing view was that unincorporated areas are local
> government areas. They usually have a different administrative structure
> (as distinct from the councils that administer local government in more
> populated areas) but irrespective of administrative structure, they are
> still areas which are subject to a form of local governance.  An area does
> not need a council to make it a local government area.
>
> "Unincorporated" means that the administrative body is not a legal entity
> that can enter into contracts/debt etc like a company - usually because the
> areas have insufficient population to support such administrative
> structures. However decision making is often delegated to the local level.
> In NSW, the large western unincorporated area used to be administered by a
> board - I think it has changed and now has an administrator although, as
> far as I know, Roads and Maritime Services remains responsible for the
> roads in the area.  Lord Howe Island is an unincorporated area administered
> by a local board.  In recent years, Sydney Harbour (including much of
> Parramatta RIver) and Botany Bay have been removed from local council
> controls and are now an unincorporated area of NSW - I am uncertain of the
> administrative arrangements but I think it was intended that state
> government authorities or administrators would exercise necessary
> governance over the Harbour area.
>
> For example, if one views NSW Local Government Areas at
>
> https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.spatial.nsw.gov.au%2Fserver%2Frest%2Fservices%2FNSW_Administrative_Boundaries_Theme%2FFeatureServer%2F8=sd
> and then "left click" (or whatever works in your browser) when the cursor
> is in Sydney Harbour, you will get responses such as "LocalGovernmentArea:
> UNINCORPORATED - SYDNEY HARBOUR AREA"  This URL can be acccessed directly
> or via the NSW Spatial Services website.
>
> Unincorporated areas are local government areas, albeit with a different
> form of governance.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 17 Jun 2024, at 8:51 AM, Brendan Barnes wrote:
> > Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level
> > unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
> >
> > In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas
> > are administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments,
> > so I'm thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government
> > authorities.
> >
> > ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching
> > the territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
> >
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas
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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Per discussione cleary


This was discussed about a decade ago in regard to unincorporated areas in NSW 
and SA.  The prevailing view was that unincorporated areas are local government 
areas. They usually have a different administrative structure (as distinct from 
the councils that administer local government in more populated areas) but 
irrespective of administrative structure, they are still areas which are 
subject to a form of local governance.  An area does not need a council to make 
it a local government area.  

"Unincorporated" means that the administrative body is not a legal entity that 
can enter into contracts/debt etc like a company - usually because the areas 
have insufficient population to support such administrative structures. However 
decision making is often delegated to the local level.  In NSW, the large 
western unincorporated area used to be administered by a board - I think it has 
changed and now has an administrator although, as far as I know, Roads and 
Maritime Services remains responsible for the roads in the area.  Lord Howe 
Island is an unincorporated area administered by a local board.  In recent 
years, Sydney Harbour (including much of Parramatta RIver) and Botany Bay have 
been removed from local council controls and are now an unincorporated area of 
NSW - I am uncertain of the administrative arrangements but I think it was 
intended that state government authorities or administrators would exercise 
necessary governance over the Harbour area.

For example, if one views NSW Local Government Areas at 
https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.spatial.nsw.gov.au%2Fserver%2Frest%2Fservices%2FNSW_Administrative_Boundaries_Theme%2FFeatureServer%2F8=sd
and then "left click" (or whatever works in your browser) when the cursor is in 
Sydney Harbour, you will get responses such as "LocalGovernmentArea: 
UNINCORPORATED - SYDNEY HARBOUR AREA"  This URL can be acccessed directly or 
via the NSW Spatial Services website.

Unincorporated areas are local government areas, albeit with a different form 
of governance.




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> Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level 
> unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
>
> In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas 
> are administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments, 
> so I'm thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government 
> authorities.
>
> ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching 
> the territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
>
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas
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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Per discussione stevea
I'm sure it is done, as I've seen it at a smaller scale in the USA, I'll say 
tagging in OSM in USA isn't done for what in USA we call "special districts."  
And these most specifically do NOT get tagged with any admin_level value (6 or 
otherwise) because they really aren't a government, what admin_level values are 
all about (how things fit together into a hierarchy).

In the US state of Hawaii, for example, there is a "succinct" (flattened, but 
deliberately) quickly-at-the-state-level (the state-level division happens 
among each island, sorta like shires in Oz) sense of admin_level.  It is 
acknowledged (by locals, people who live there, years of thinking about it in 
OSM) that there isn't a place in the admin_level hierarchy which are 
essentially, how people direct their trash collection or libraries to knit 
together.  That's not government, that's people buying services in a district.  
If you really want to map those, I don't see why not (well, some might consider 
that task tedious, others might see great value in it...).  Where the cable 
companies run service out to?  Maybe that's useful, I don't know.

When it comes to garbage collection districts, school districts (very rarely, I 
happen to know) and other such "private, commercial" activity...I suppose we 
can map these and rarely we do (everything from "mosquito abatement district" 
to "public library area served for this branch of the library district").  What 
might be next?  Scouting Australia (I just made that up) districts?  
Imaginations run wild with possibilities, but this is OSM, after all.

I'm not saying "no," (I am saying "tedious") I am saying do not merge or blend 
these into OSM's admin_level hierarchy.  Well, here I go with my California 
perspective.  You can call something like this a special district (these do 
emerge in OSM) you have to be specific how you might tag it so everybody knows 
it is a special district.  I don't think what you are talking about here are 
"administrative values" as OSM uses key admin_level=*.  Not at all.  Or, maybe 
"in the USA" (and that is as far out as my perspective does or should go 
further).

It is 100% possible there is something about how things truly are 
administratively are carved up by Parks Division and Alpine Resorts Division 
(as these things are actively, Crown-managed, we might say).  That's 
government, and does seem like admin_level, and 6 isn't a wrong choice, it 
seems.  These things are best not messed with by somebody a large ocean away, 
despite similarities in culture, common law, commerce, governmental structure, 
though things do diverge.  So, I'm voicing my thoughts here, I'm also stepping 
aside as someone who is not local.  It is a wobbler and could go either way; 
I'm not from there.

Thanks for an interesting dialog; c-ya later.
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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Per discussione Brendan Barnes
 thinking of.  Adding
> a place=* node for an unincorporated community?  Sure, we do that (in the
> USA), too.  But we don't add admin_level tags to those, as it isn't correct
> to do so.
>
> I hope this helps!
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2024, at 3:51 PM, Brendan Barnes  wrote:
> > Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level
> unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
> >
> > In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas are
> administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments, so I'm
> thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government authorities.
> >
> > ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching the
> territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
> >
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas
>
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Re: [talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Per discussione stevea
I absolutely realize that my experience is with the USA and not Australia, but 
(in a VERY broad-brush way) the logical mappings between how federal=2, state=4 
and admin_level=6 is almost always the "sub-state / local-ish" government 
authorities (in the USA it is almost always what we call a "county," meaning a 
subdivision of the state, but counties often provide much "more local" 
government services) in both countries is quite similar.  Importantly, for 
"unincorporated" parts of counties, these "fall under" an admin_level=6 "area" 
at the level of the entirety of the county itself, not with any specific 
smaller "boundary" (as these don't exist for unincorporated areas) WITHIN the 
county.  Usually / often, a node specifies these unincorporated area, tagged 
place=* (and the value is often something smaller, like hamlet or village).  
Please do not add an admin_level=6 tag here, that's redundant tagging.

Given the decade+ I've been facilitating admin_level in the USA (in wiki, in 
discussions, in the map data...) I would say you are on the right track with 
this "local government authorities get admin_level=6."  This is true for 
unincorporated areas (within counties in the USA):  they are "surrounded by" In 
the USA, for (usually incorporated) cities, these are something else, and it is 
our convention to use admin_level=8 for such cities (cities DO subordinate to 
the counties they are in, but in an independent way, usually), which is to say 
that they "more directly" subordinate to the state (at admin_level=4); a city 
that is an 8 is geographically located in a county (6), but a city can also 
correctly be said to subordinate more directly to a state (4) by virtue of it 
being the state constitution and state statutes (the "California Government 
Code" in my state) which crafts the legal framework for what a city "is" 
(within any given state) and how it is chartered / gains its independence (as a 
usually-incorporated entity independent of the state/county which it is inside 
of).  It seems Oz uses 9 for "locality borders," different than USA uses 8 for 
cities (or towns which are incorporated), that's a minor quibble that is a bit 
off-topic here.

So, with unincorporated areas, they don't really get a boundary=* polygon 
tagged with an admin_level, rather they are tagged with a place=* tag 
(appropriate to population, amenities and/or relative hierarchy in the region), 
but no specific admin_level tag, as they are simply "found inside of" a polygon 
which is already (usually) tagged admin_level=6, and that is what makes THEM 6, 
as well.  These shouldn't get an additional polygon or tag which tags them with 
admin_level=6, as that would be redundant with their "county."  Or whatever the 
word is in Australia, I think you call them "Shire / Council" boundaries.

If a shire / council boundary is tagged with admin_level=6 (and these are found 
within Australian states tagged admin_level=4, which are in turn found within 
the country-level boundary of Oz which is tagged admin_level=2)...you've got it 
and are largely done.  Unincorporated areas don't really need to have their 
admin_level specified, as these areas are quite likely very "unspecific" (and 
unincorporated) and their "surrounding 6" (shire / council) already captures 
this semantic — nothing really to add beyond that.  If there ARE "locality 
borders" inside of a 6, tag them with 9 and be done.  But please don't tag 
"unincorporated, unspecified boundaries" with anything, as it seems you really 
can't.  The surrounding shire / council already specifies the 6 you seem to be 
thinking of.  Adding a place=* node for an unincorporated community?  Sure, we 
do that (in the USA), too.  But we don't add admin_level tags to those, as it 
isn't correct to do so.

I hope this helps! 


On Jun 16, 2024, at 3:51 PM, Brendan Barnes  wrote:
> Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level 
> unincorporated areas should have in Australia?
> 
> In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas are 
> administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments, so I'm 
> thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government authorities.
> 
> ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching the 
> territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_Australia#Unincorporated_areas


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[talk-au] Administration level for unincorporated areas

2024-06-16 Per discussione Brendan Barnes
Hi all, just seeing if there's consensus on what administration level
unincorporated areas should have in Australia?

In Victoria (and potentially other states), the unincorporated areas are
administered by state-level statutory authorities and departments, so I'm
thinking admin_level=6 to match equivalent local government authorities.

ACT is an exception obviously, with the unincorporated area matching the
territory border, so it takes on the higher order admin_level=4.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Land_and_boundaries#Administration_Levels
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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 725 06/06/2024-12/06/2024

2024-06-16 Per discussione weeklyteam
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 725 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/17303/

Bonne lecture !

Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note 
hebdomadaire sans être membre ? Il vous suffit de vous connecter sur 
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login avec votre compte OSM. Pour en savoir plus 
sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #725 06/06/2024-12/06/2024

2024-06-16 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 725,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17303

Enjoy! 

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to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
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weeklyOSM? 
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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #725 06/06/2024-12/06/2024

2024-06-16 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 725,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17303

Enjoy! 

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Re: [OSM-talk] microsoft/BuildingFootprints

2024-06-16 Per discussione Martin Trautmann via talk
On 16.06.24 08:04, Martin Trautmann via talk wrote:
> On 14.06.24 03:27, John Whelan wrote:
>> I'm seeing earlier buildings being duplicated by these in Uganda by
>> at least one HOT project.
>>
>> Do we have a formal protocol on how these should be "imported"?
>
> Besser die Finger davon lassen und nur berichten - das passiert gerade
> weltweit
>
>
> https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/update-13-06-2024-neue-vandalismuswelle-strassen-kreuz-und-quer-teilweise-namen-geandert/113287

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Re: [OSM-talk] microsoft/BuildingFootprints

2024-06-16 Per discussione Martin Trautmann via talk
On 14.06.24 03:27, John Whelan wrote:
> I'm seeing earlier buildings being duplicated by these in Uganda by at
> least one HOT project.
>
> Do we have a formal protocol on how these should be "imported"?

Besser die Finger davon lassen und nur berichten - das passiert gerade
weltweit


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Re: [Talk-se] Inomhuskartering och källa till Mälardalens universitet

2024-06-15 Per discussione Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se
Just det att båda campus är så väldigt detaljerade och karterat under en kort 
tid där inga tecken tyder på vad och hur de karterat. Ville använda detta som 
ett exempel till LTU för att få material att kartera med, men vill ju vara 
säker att det jag refererar är gjort på rätt sätt när det var så många 
oklarheter 

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On 15/06/2024 09:42, Snusmumriken via Talk-se  wrote:

>  On Fri, 2024-06-14 at 17:17 +, Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se wrote:
>  > Hej!
>  >
>  > Jag har kollat runt på inomhuskartering och såg att Mälardalens
>  > universitet (MDU) har ganska  detaljerad kartering. Dock när jag
>  > sökte upp på tillåtelse genom OSM Wiki, Sweden/Datakällor, och
>  > Discord server m.m. så hittade absolut ingen information om vad de
>  > fått källan ifrån eller om de ens fått tillåtelse av universitetet
>  > att använda deras kartor
>  >
>  > Det gäller alltså både Eskilstuna och Västerås campus. På denna sida
>  > finns PDFer men absolut ingen licens eller dylikt omkring sidan eller
>  > PDFerna
>  > https://www.mdu.se/student/under-studietiden/campus-och-lokaler
>  >
>  > Hur mappade då folket campusen och hade de tillstånd är min fråga?
>  
>  Normalt sett utgår man väl infrån att människor är hederliga och följer
>  regler. Det kan väl vara fråga om en studerande vid campuset som helt
>  enkelt karterat sin vardagsmiljö.
>  
>  Finns det något som tyder på oegentligheter?
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Re: [Talk-se] Inomhuskartering och källa till Mälardalens universitet

2024-06-15 Per discussione Snusmumriken via Talk-se
On Fri, 2024-06-14 at 17:17 +, Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se wrote:
> Hej!
> 
> Jag har kollat runt på inomhuskartering och såg att Mälardalens
> universitet (MDU) har ganska  detaljerad kartering. Dock när jag
> sökte upp på tillåtelse genom OSM Wiki, Sweden/Datakällor, och
> Discord server m.m. så hittade absolut ingen information om vad de
> fått källan ifrån eller om de ens fått tillåtelse av universitetet
> att använda deras kartor
> 
> Det gäller alltså både Eskilstuna och Västerås campus. På denna sida
> finns PDFer men absolut ingen licens eller dylikt omkring sidan eller
> PDFerna
> https://www.mdu.se/student/under-studietiden/campus-och-lokaler
> 
> Hur mappade då folket campusen och hade de tillstånd är min fråga?

Normalt sett utgår man väl infrån att människor är hederliga och följer
regler. Det kan väl vara fråga om en studerande vid campuset som helt
enkelt karterat sin vardagsmiljö. 

Finns det något som tyder på oegentligheter?

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[OSM-talk-fr] Requêtes Overpass pour les cheminements piétons

2024-06-14 Per discussione Francois Gouget


Bonjour,

J'ai découvert récemment que pratiquement tous les trottoirs et passages 
piétons de Paris sont maintenant présents sur la carte. Donc d'abord je 
tire mon chapeau à l'équipe de SonarVision qui a réalisé là un sacré 
travail.

Mais c'est inévitable : plein de nouveaux objets veut aussi dire pas mal 
de nouvelles erreurs. En parcourant la carte j'ai repéré un certain 
nombre de cas courants et je me suis dit que ce serait pratique de 
pouvoir trouver tous les cas similaires.

Du coup j'ai écrit quelques requêtes Overpass et je me dit que cela 
pourrait intéresser d'autres contributeurs, pas qu'à Paris d'ailleurs. 
Et puis tout corriger va quand même représenter pas mal de travail donc 
autant que tout le monde puisse participer. J'ai donc décidé de les 
partager via ma page de profil :

  https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/fgouget

Les premières requêtes sont :
* Passages piétons non/mal connectés aux trottoirs
  (~3000 résultats sur Paris)
* Propriété crossing incorrecte pour un passage piéton avec feu piéton (~2300)
* Passages piétons avec crossing=b (~600)

Ces requêtes marchent pour n'importe quelle ville. Mais s'il n'y a pas 
de way représentant les trottoirs et passages piétons elles ne 
retourneront pas grand chose.

J'ai d'autres requêtes en réserve mais pour chaque requête j'essaie de 
décrire le problème, comment le corriger, ainsi que les faux positifs et 
faux négatifs potentiels... et ce n'est pas encore fait pour les autres.

J'espère ne pas avoir dit trop de bétises pour les explications des 
requêtes actuelles. Y a-t-il d'autres points qu'il faudrait préciser ?

J'ai utilisé des permalinks comme lien vers les requêtes Overpass mais 
ce faisant je reçois un avertissement comme quoi ils pourraient ne pas 
marcher parce que la requête est longue (... tous ces commentaires 
explicatifs). Y a-t-il une meilleure façon de faire ? J'ai notamment 
rencontré des problèmes avec le bouton "save on osm.org": il n'a marché 
qu'une fois, le reste du temps rien ne se passe. De toute façon je ne 
sais pas comment créer un lien qui utiliserait une requête sauvée.


-- 
Francois Gouget   http://fgouget.free.fr/
  Dieu dit: "M-x Lumière". Et la lumière fut.
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Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

2024-06-14 Per discussione bengt bäverman
Finns det någon skyltning på plats som säger att vägen är privat eller på
annat sätt har begränsad tillgång? Om inte bör väl inte osm ha det heller?

fre 14 juni 2024 kl. 22:43 skrev Micke :

> Någon hemfridszon lär inte finnas i en stugby då man definitivt kan räkna
> med att mer eller mindre okända personer går förbi på den väg/stig som
> finns och som leder vidare till nästa stuga.
>
>
>
> Gällande strandskydd som normalt gäller inom 100 m från vatten:
>
> *Huvudregeln är att allmänheten har tillträde till de delar av fastigheten
> som inte utgör tomtplats eller hemfridszon (tomtplats/hemfridszon utgörs av
> ett begränsat område runt huvudbyggnaden på fastigheten). Utgångspunkten är
> därför att det inte får finnas något som hindrar allmänhetens tillgång till
> dessa områden eller något som gör att strandområdet upplevs som
> privatiserat.*
>
>
>
> Men återigen, jag saknar lokalkännedom om det området.
>
>
>
>
>
> /Anders Andersson
>
>
>
>
>
> *Från:* John Bäckstrand 
> *Skickat:* den 14 juni 2024 15:48
> *Till:* OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista 
> *Kopia:* Per Geijer 
> *Ämne:* Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5
>
>
>
> Ja, det är ett som jag pekade på lite knepigt fall rent OSM-mässigt, men
> att allemansrätten gäller kan knappast stämma:
>
> " Hemfridszonen är området närmast runt ett bostads- och fritidshus där
> den boende har rätt till ett privat område och att få vara ostörd. Inom
> hemfridszonen har fastighetsägaren eller hyresgästen full rådighet över
> marken, och ingen får vistas där utan lov av denne. Inom hemfridszonen
> gäller således inte allemansrätten."
>
> Som jag skrev innan så har OSM egentligen inget kontrakt att på något sätt
> informera om var allemansrätten gäller, Access-taggar handlar om andra
> saker. Men jag är mer pragmatisk än dogmatisk dock, så om en access-tagg
> råkar fungera bättre i praktiken, så varför inte? Jag har faktiskt själv
> råkat ut för en väg som gick "obehagligt" nära ett hus, i princip på någons
> tomt och jag hade uppskattat som användare av kartan att på något sätt
> informeras om det.
>
>
>
> /John Bäckstrand
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 3:30 PM Micke  wrote:
>
> I mitt tycke ska stigen inte ha några access eller andra
> restriktionstaggar.
>
> Stigen finns (och är inte ett skyddsobjekt), och då ska den vara inritad
> på Openstreetmap.
>
> Allemansrätten gäller högst troligt (jag saknar dock lokalkännedom).
> Allmänheten har tillgång till strandkanter och tomma sommarstugor är inte
> något som upphäver allemansrätten. Man får till och med nyttja "privata"
> bryggor om de inte är någon vid sommarstugan bryggan tillhör. En stugby vid
> en strand bör också vara ännu mindre privat än en sommarstuga. Det ser
> dessutom ut som att det inte är speciellt ianspråktagen tomtmark utan mer
> natur med mycket träd m.m..
>
>
> För mig får folk gärna bada nakna var dom vill, men att försöka trycka ut
> påhittade restriktioner som allmänheten ska anpassa sig efter känns rätt
> sunkigt.
>
>
> /Anders Andersson
>
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: Per Geijer 
> Skickat: den 13 juni 2024 17:43
> Till: talk-se@openstreetmap.org
> Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5
>
> Örjan Svane who is the person contacting us and demanding a map update is
> a member of the Swedish FKK. I guess the following the path you will find
> yourself surrounded by naked people.
> https://www.scandinavianaturist.org/sv/node/367
>
> Best rgds
> //P
>
> > 13 juni 2024 kl. 13:00 skrev talk-se-requ...@openstreetmap.org:
> >
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> >   2. Re: Edit path on private property (Christian Asker)
> >   3. Re: Edit path on private property (Gustav Lindqvist)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:02:05 +0200
> > From: riiga 
> > To: OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista 
&

Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

2024-06-14 Per discussione Micke
Någon hemfridszon lär inte finnas i en stugby då man definitivt kan räkna med 
att mer eller mindre okända personer går förbi på den väg/stig som finns och 
som leder vidare till nästa stuga.

Gällande strandskydd som normalt gäller inom 100 m från vatten:
Huvudregeln är att allmänheten har tillträde till de delar av fastigheten som 
inte utgör tomtplats eller hemfridszon (tomtplats/hemfridszon utgörs av ett 
begränsat område runt huvudbyggnaden på fastigheten). Utgångspunkten är därför 
att det inte får finnas något som hindrar allmänhetens tillgång till dessa 
områden eller något som gör att strandområdet upplevs som privatiserat.

Men återigen, jag saknar lokalkännedom om det området.


/Anders Andersson


Från: John Bäckstrand 
Skickat: den 14 juni 2024 15:48
Till: OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista 
Kopia: Per Geijer 
Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

Ja, det är ett som jag pekade på lite knepigt fall rent OSM-mässigt, men att 
allemansrätten gäller kan knappast stämma:

" Hemfridszonen är området närmast runt ett bostads- och fritidshus där den 
boende har rätt till ett privat område och att få vara ostörd. Inom 
hemfridszonen har fastighetsägaren eller hyresgästen full rådighet över marken, 
och ingen får vistas där utan lov av denne. Inom hemfridszonen gäller således 
inte allemansrätten."

Som jag skrev innan så har OSM egentligen inget kontrakt att på något sätt 
informera om var allemansrätten gäller, Access-taggar handlar om andra saker. 
Men jag är mer pragmatisk än dogmatisk dock, så om en access-tagg råkar fungera 
bättre i praktiken, så varför inte? Jag har faktiskt själv råkat ut för en väg 
som gick "obehagligt" nära ett hus, i princip på någons tomt och jag hade 
uppskattat som användare av kartan att på något sätt informeras om det.

/John Bäckstrand

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 3:30 PM Micke 
mailto:mia...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I mitt tycke ska stigen inte ha några access eller andra restriktionstaggar.

Stigen finns (och är inte ett skyddsobjekt), och då ska den vara inritad på 
Openstreetmap.

Allemansrätten gäller högst troligt (jag saknar dock lokalkännedom).
Allmänheten har tillgång till strandkanter och tomma sommarstugor är inte något 
som upphäver allemansrätten. Man får till och med nyttja "privata" bryggor om 
de inte är någon vid sommarstugan bryggan tillhör. En stugby vid en strand bör 
också vara ännu mindre privat än en sommarstuga. Det ser dessutom ut som att 
det inte är speciellt ianspråktagen tomtmark utan mer natur med mycket träd 
m.m..


För mig får folk gärna bada nakna var dom vill, men att försöka trycka ut 
påhittade restriktioner som allmänheten ska anpassa sig efter känns rätt 
sunkigt.


/Anders Andersson

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Per Geijer mailto:p...@geijer.org>>
Skickat: den 13 juni 2024 17:43
Till: talk-se@openstreetmap.org<mailto:talk-se@openstreetmap.org>
Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

Örjan Svane who is the person contacting us and demanding a map update is a 
member of the Swedish FKK. I guess the following the path you will find 
yourself surrounded by naked people. 
https://www.scandinavianaturist.org/sv/node/367

Best rgds
//P

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>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:02:05 +0200
> From: riiga mailto:ri...@lysator.liu.se>>
> To: OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista 
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>
> Hej!
>
> Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan inte
> kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r

[Talk-se] Inomhuskartering och källa till Mälardalens universitet

2024-06-14 Per discussione Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se
Hej!

Jag har kollat runt på inomhuskartering och såg att Mälardalens universitet 
(MDU) har ganska detaljerad kartering. Dock när jag sökte upp på tillåtelse 
genom OSM Wiki, Sweden/Datakällor, och Discord server m.m. så hittade absolut 
ingen information om vad de fått källan ifrån eller om de ens fått tillåtelse 
av universitetet att använda deras kartor

Det gäller alltså både Eskilstuna och Västerås campus. På denna sida finns 
PDFer men absolut ingen licens eller dylikt omkring sidan eller PDFerna
https://www.mdu.se/student/under-studietiden/campus-och-lokaler

Hur mappade då folket campusen och hade de tillstånd är min fråga?

Inomhuskarteringen Eskilstuna campus
https://indoorequal.org/#map=18.26/59.373555/16.510192/0/20=0
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Victor%20Herlin/history#map=19/59.37361/16.51007

Inomhuskarteringen Västerås campus
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mrcshmrstrm/history#map=17/59.61847/16.54296
https://indoorequal.org/#map=16.83/59.618373/16.541193/0/20=0

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Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

2024-06-14 Per discussione John Bäckstrand
Ja, det är ett som jag pekade på lite knepigt fall rent OSM-mässigt, men
att allemansrätten gäller kan knappast stämma:

" Hemfridszonen är området närmast runt ett bostads- och fritidshus där den
boende har rätt till ett privat område och att få vara ostörd. Inom
hemfridszonen har fastighetsägaren eller hyresgästen full rådighet över
marken, och ingen får vistas där utan lov av denne. Inom hemfridszonen
gäller således inte allemansrätten."

Som jag skrev innan så har OSM egentligen inget kontrakt att på något sätt
informera om var allemansrätten gäller, Access-taggar handlar om andra
saker. Men jag är mer pragmatisk än dogmatisk dock, så om en access-tagg
råkar fungera bättre i praktiken, så varför inte? Jag har faktiskt själv
råkat ut för en väg som gick "obehagligt" nära ett hus, i princip på någons
tomt och jag hade uppskattat som användare av kartan att på något sätt
informeras om det.


/John Bäckstrand

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 3:30 PM Micke  wrote:

> I mitt tycke ska stigen inte ha några access eller andra
> restriktionstaggar.
>
> Stigen finns (och är inte ett skyddsobjekt), och då ska den vara inritad
> på Openstreetmap.
>
> Allemansrätten gäller högst troligt (jag saknar dock lokalkännedom).
> Allmänheten har tillgång till strandkanter och tomma sommarstugor är inte
> något som upphäver allemansrätten. Man får till och med nyttja "privata"
> bryggor om de inte är någon vid sommarstugan bryggan tillhör. En stugby vid
> en strand bör också vara ännu mindre privat än en sommarstuga. Det ser
> dessutom ut som att det inte är speciellt ianspråktagen tomtmark utan mer
> natur med mycket träd m.m..
>
>
> För mig får folk gärna bada nakna var dom vill, men att försöka trycka ut
> påhittade restriktioner som allmänheten ska anpassa sig efter känns rätt
> sunkigt.
>
>
> /Anders Andersson
>
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: Per Geijer 
> Skickat: den 13 juni 2024 17:43
> Till: talk-se@openstreetmap.org
> Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5
>
> Örjan Svane who is the person contacting us and demanding a map update is
> a member of the Swedish FKK. I guess the following the path you will find
> yourself surrounded by naked people.
> https://www.scandinavianaturist.org/sv/node/367
>
> Best rgds
> //P
>
> > 13 juni 2024 kl. 13:00 skrev talk-se-requ...@openstreetmap.org:
> >
> > Send Talk-se mailing list submissions to
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> > than "Re: Contents of Talk-se digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: Edit path on private property (riiga)
> >   2. Re: Edit path on private property (Christian Asker)
> >   3. Re: Edit path on private property (Gustav Lindqvist)
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:02:05 +0200
> > From: riiga 
> > To: OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista 
> > Subject: Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property
> > Message-ID: <8593c7979207881b6d9bcb83b4f17...@lysator.liu.se>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> >
> > Hej!
> >
> > Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan inte
> > kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r fri att
> > redigera f?r alla, som om du har hittat fel s? kan du sj?lv skapa en
> > anv?ndare och r?tta till det. Att stigen finns med p? kartan ?r helt i
> > sin ordning, det finns inget som ?r f?rbjudet att kartl?gga i
> > OpenStreetMap och m?let ?r att ?terspegla vad som finns i
> > verkligheten, mantrat ?r "map what's on the ground". Om det d?remot ?r
> > s? att stigen g?r ?ver tydligt avgr?nsad privat mark i direkt
> > anslutning till n?gons hem s? ?r det ol?mpligt att anv?nda den stigen
> > i enlighet med allemansr?tten. I s? fall borde du (eller n?gon annan
> > med god
> > lokalk?nnedom) l?gga till ?tkomstbegr?nsningar (access=private) p?
> > stigen s? att det ?r angivet att det ?r en privat stig vilket
> > f?rhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra som anv?nder
> > OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en l?mplig v?g f?r
> > fotg?ngare.
> >
&g

Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

2024-06-14 Per discussione Micke
I mitt tycke ska stigen inte ha några access eller andra restriktionstaggar.

Stigen finns (och är inte ett skyddsobjekt), och då ska den vara inritad på 
Openstreetmap.

Allemansrätten gäller högst troligt (jag saknar dock lokalkännedom).
Allmänheten har tillgång till strandkanter och tomma sommarstugor är inte något 
som upphäver allemansrätten. Man får till och med nyttja "privata" bryggor om 
de inte är någon vid sommarstugan bryggan tillhör. En stugby vid en strand bör 
också vara ännu mindre privat än en sommarstuga. Det ser dessutom ut som att 
det inte är speciellt ianspråktagen tomtmark utan mer natur med mycket träd 
m.m..


För mig får folk gärna bada nakna var dom vill, men att försöka trycka ut 
påhittade restriktioner som allmänheten ska anpassa sig efter känns rätt 
sunkigt.


/Anders Andersson

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Per Geijer  
Skickat: den 13 juni 2024 17:43
Till: talk-se@openstreetmap.org
Ämne: Re: [Talk-se] Talk-se Digest, Vol 177, Issue 5

Örjan Svane who is the person contacting us and demanding a map update is a 
member of the Swedish FKK. I guess the following the path you will find 
yourself surrounded by naked people. 
https://www.scandinavianaturist.org/sv/node/367

Best rgds
//P

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> 
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> 
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Edit path on private property (riiga)
>   2. Re: Edit path on private property (Christian Asker)
>   3. Re: Edit path on private property (Gustav Lindqvist)
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:02:05 +0200
> From: riiga 
> To: OpenStreetMap Sverige mailinglista 
> Subject: Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property
> Message-ID: <8593c7979207881b6d9bcb83b4f17...@lysator.liu.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hej!
> 
> Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan inte 
> kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r fri att 
> redigera f?r alla, som om du har hittat fel s? kan du sj?lv skapa en 
> anv?ndare och r?tta till det. Att stigen finns med p? kartan ?r helt i 
> sin ordning, det finns inget som ?r f?rbjudet att kartl?gga i 
> OpenStreetMap och m?let ?r att ?terspegla vad som finns i 
> verkligheten, mantrat ?r "map what's on the ground". Om det d?remot ?r 
> s? att stigen g?r ?ver tydligt avgr?nsad privat mark i direkt 
> anslutning till n?gons hem s? ?r det ol?mpligt att anv?nda den stigen 
> i enlighet med allemansr?tten. I s? fall borde du (eller n?gon annan 
> med god
> lokalk?nnedom) l?gga till ?tkomstbegr?nsningar (access=private) p? 
> stigen s? att det ?r angivet att det ?r en privat stig vilket 
> f?rhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra som anv?nder 
> OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en l?mplig v?g f?r 
> fotg?ngare.
> 
> /riiga
> 
> 2024-06-12 09:56 skrev ?rjan Svane via Talk-se:
>> Dea open street map editors,
>> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
>> which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a 
>> path near lake ?tervallstr?sk on Ingar?, east of Stocckholm. The path 
>> indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
>> property, a "cottage village? owned by the  Svenska 
>> Friluftsf?reningen Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that 
>> the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly 
>> violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody?s right of way?, 
>> allemansr?tten, which allows people to walk on private property except close 
>> to private houses  etc.
>> From your map, the same path has been included on other similar maps. 
>> Last  summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors claiming 
>> their right to use the path, referring to the ?komoot? map 
>> (www.komoot.com). When contacted, komoot gave your map as their source.
>> They also indicated that your map is the source also for others 
>> besides the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away this 
>> path on your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You should 
&g

[OSM-talk] microsoft/BuildingFootprints

2024-06-13 Per discussione John Whelan
I'm seeing earlier buildings being duplicated by these in Uganda by at 
least one HOT project.


Do we have a formal protocol on how these should be "imported"?

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2024-06-13 Per discussione Per Geijer
Örjan Svane who is the person contacting us and demanding a map update is a 
member of the Swedish FKK. I guess the following the path you will find 
yourself surrounded by naked people. 
https://www.scandinavianaturist.org/sv/node/367

Best rgds
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> Hej!
> 
> Det finns ingen som centralt ?r ansvarig f?r kartan, och du kan inte 
> kravst?lla att n?gon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan ?r fri att 
> redigera f?r alla, som om du har hittat fel s? kan du sj?lv skapa en 
> anv?ndare och r?tta till det. Att stigen finns med p? kartan ?r helt i 
> sin ordning, det finns inget som ?r f?rbjudet att kartl?gga i 
> OpenStreetMap och m?let ?r att ?terspegla vad som finns i verkligheten, 
> mantrat ?r "map what's on the ground". Om det d?remot ?r s? att stigen 
> g?r ?ver tydligt avgr?nsad privat mark i direkt anslutning till n?gons 
> hem s? ?r det ol?mpligt att anv?nda den stigen i enlighet med 
> allemansr?tten. I s? fall borde du (eller n?gon annan med god 
> lokalk?nnedom) l?gga till ?tkomstbegr?nsningar (access=private) p? 
> stigen s? att det ?r angivet att det ?r en privat stig vilket 
> f?rhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra som anv?nder 
> OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en l?mplig v?g f?r 
> fotg?ngare.
> 
> /riiga
> 
> 2024-06-12 09:56 skrev ?rjan Svane via Talk-se:
>> Dea open street map editors,
>> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
>> which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a path 
>> near lake ?tervallstr?sk on Ingar?, east of Stocckholm. The path 
>> indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
>> property, a "cottage village? owned by the  Svenska Friluftsf?reningen 
>> Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that the path passes very 
>> close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly violates even Sweden`s 
>> extensive "Everybody?s right of way?, allemansr?tten, which allows 
>> people to walk on private property except close to private houses  etc. 
>> From your map, the same path has been included on other similar maps. 
>> Last  summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors claiming 
>> their right to use the path, referring to the ?komoot? map 
>> (www.komoot.com). When contacted, komoot gave your map as their source. 
>> They also indicated that your map is the source also for others besides 
>> the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away this path on 
>> your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You should also in 
>> an appropriate manner inform users of you map of the error.
>> 
>> Yours
>> 
>> ?rjan Svane
>> Member and former Land Manager, SFF
>> +46-40-406 5326
>> 
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> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2024 10:25:49 +0200
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> Hej. En sak till ang?ende detta. Att mark ?r privat?gd betyder ju, som 
> du skriver,? inte i sig att allemansr?tten inte g?ller, utan det ?r 
> tomtmark som man inte ska klampa in p?. Vad jag kan se ?r omr?det ifr?ga 
> stugor i ett skogsomr?de, s? det ?r kanske inte helt

Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Anders Torger via Talk-se
Jajust. Tar tillbaka mitt förslag på access=private. Om det inte är 
privat boende utan en hyrd stugby så är precis access=destination mer 
korrekt. Den taggen används frekvent på vägar i städer där genomfart är 
förbjuden, så den är inte särskilt exotisk heller, ruttverktygen bör 
känna till den.


/Anders

On 2024-06-13 12:59, Snusmumriken via Talk-se wrote:

On Thu, 2024-06-13 at 07:51 +, Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se wrote:

Att sätta access=no är vad jag gjort på flera vägar själv.


access=destination lär nog vara det mest korrekta i detta sammanhang.

För om jag uppfattat det korrekt så är det fråga om en stugby där vem
som helst kan hyra en stuga för en kortare tid. Dvs. man bör ta stigen
om man skall dit, men genomfart är förbjuden.

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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Snusmumriken via Talk-se
On Thu, 2024-06-13 at 07:51 +, Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se wrote:
> Att sätta access=no är vad jag gjort på flera vägar själv. 

access=destination lär nog vara det mest korrekta i detta sammanhang.

För om jag uppfattat det korrekt så är det fråga om en stugby där vem
som helst kan hyra en stuga för en kortare tid. Dvs. man bör ta stigen
om man skall dit, men genomfart är förbjuden.

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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Christian Asker
Hej. En sak till angående detta. Att mark är privatägd betyder ju, som 
du skriver,  inte i sig att allemansrätten inte gäller, utan det är 
tomtmark som man inte ska klampa in på. Vad jag kan se är området ifråga 
stugor i ett skogsområde, så det är kanske inte helt självklart att det 
är lätt att se att det är tomtmark? Sen vill man ju inte störa folk 
förstås, men det kanske inte är lätt att avgöra ens när man är i 
utkanten av det nämnda området?


Det kan ju dyka upp vandrare som inte använder dylika kartor med. Kanske 
en vänligt formulerad skylt kan lösa saken (förutom att lägga till 
access=private i Openstreetmap)?



Mvh Christian


Den 2024-06-13 kl. 10:02, skrev riiga:

Hej!

Det finns ingen som centralt är ansvarig för kartan, och du kan inte 
kravställa att någon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan är fri att 
redigera för alla, som om du har hittat fel så kan du själv skapa en 
användare och rätta till det. Att stigen finns med på kartan är helt i 
sin ordning, det finns inget som är förbjudet att kartlägga i 
OpenStreetMap och målet är att återspegla vad som finns i 
verkligheten, mantrat är "map what's on the ground". Om det däremot är 
så att stigen går över tydligt avgränsad privat mark i direkt 
anslutning till någons hem så är det olämpligt att använda den stigen 
i enlighet med allemansrätten. I så fall borde du (eller någon annan 
med god lokalkännedom) lägga till åtkomstbegränsningar 
(access=private) på stigen så att det är angivet att det är en privat 
stig vilket förhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra 
som använder OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en 
lämplig väg för fotgängare.


/riiga

2024-06-12 09:56 skrev Örjan Svane via Talk-se:

Dea open street map editors,
your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a 
path near lake Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The path 
indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
property, a "cottage village” owned by the  Svenska 
Friluftsföreningen Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that 
the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly 
violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody’s right of way”, 
allemansrätten, which allows people to walk on private property 
except close to private houses  etc. From your map, the same path has 
been included on other similar maps. Last  summer the Association 
e.g. had a number of visitors claiming their right to use the path, 
referring to the “komoot” map (www.komoot.com). When contacted, 
komoot gave your map as their source. They also indicated that your 
map is the source also for others besides the komoot. Therefore we 
sincerely ask you to take away this path on your map to avoid similar 
conflicts in the future. You should also in an appropriate manner 
inform users of you map of the error.


Yours

Örjan Svane
Member and former Land Manager, SFF
+46-40-406 5326


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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Gustav Lindqvist
Som andra har sagt så betyder inte det per automatik att privat mark
upphöver allemansrätten.

Sen påståendet att det är en "members only beach" låter lite märkligt,
även om det finns de som vill upphäva strandskyddet så har det mig
veterligen inte skett ännu.

Om det är tydligt är så på platsen så låter den enklaste lösningen att
sätta på en access= på stigen.

Mvh Gustav

On June 13, 2024, Christian Asker  wrote:
> Hej. En sak till angående detta. Att mark är privatägd betyder ju,
> som 
> du skriver,  inte i sig att allemansrätten inte gäller, utan det är 
> tomtmark som man inte ska klampa in på. Vad jag kan se är området
> ifråga 
> stugor i ett skogsområde, så det är kanske inte helt självklart att
> det 
> är lätt att se att det är tomtmark? Sen vill man ju inte störa folk 
> förstås, men det kanske inte är lätt att avgöra ens när man är i 
> utkanten av det nämnda området?
>
> Det kan ju dyka upp vandrare som inte använder dylika kartor med.
> Kanske 
> en vänligt formulerad skylt kan lösa saken (förutom att lägga till 
> access=private i Openstreetmap)?
>
>
> Mvh Christian
>
>
> Den 2024-06-13 kl. 10:02, skrev riiga:
> > Hej!
> >
> > Det finns ingen som centralt är ansvarig för kartan, och du kan
> inte 
> > kravställa att någon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan är fri
> att 
> > redigera för alla, som om du har hittat fel så kan du själv skapa
> en 
> > användare och rätta till det. Att stigen finns med på kartan är helt
> i 
> > sin ordning, det finns inget som är förbjudet att kartlägga i 
> > OpenStreetMap och målet är att återspegla vad som finns i 
> > verkligheten, mantrat är "map what's on the ground". Om det däremot
> är 
> > så att stigen går över tydligt avgränsad privat mark i direkt 
> > anslutning till någons hem så är det olämpligt att använda den
> stigen 
> > i enlighet med allemansrätten. I så fall borde du (eller någon
> annan 
> > med god lokalkännedom) lägga till åtkomstbegränsningar 
> > (access=private) på stigen så att det är angivet att det är en
> privat 
> > stig vilket förhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och
> andra 
> > som använder OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en 
> > lämplig väg för fotgängare.
> >
> > /riiga
> >
> > 2024-06-12 09:56 skrev Örjan Svane via Talk-se:
> >> Dea open street map editors,
> >> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
> >> which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a 
> >> path near lake Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The
> path 
> >> indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
> >> property, a "cottage village” owned by the  Svenska 
> >> Friluftsföreningen Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map
> that 
> >> the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly 
> >> violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody’s right of way”, 
> >> allemansrätten, which allows people to walk on private property 
> >> except close to private houses  etc. From your map, the same path
> has 
> >> been included on other similar maps. Last  summer the Association 
> >> e.g. had a number of visitors claiming their right to use the
> path, 
> >> referring to the “komoot” map (www.komoot.com). When contacted, 
> >> komoot gave your map as their source. They also indicated that
> your 
> >> map is the source also for others besides the komoot. Therefore we 
> >> sincerely ask you to take away this path on your map to avoid
> similar 
> >> conflicts in the future. You should also in an appropriate manner 
> >> inform users of you map of the error.
> >>
> >> Yours
> >>
> >> Örjan Svane
> >> Member and former Land Manager, SFF
> >> +46-40-406 5326
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione riiga

Hej!

Det finns ingen som centralt är ansvarig för kartan, och du kan inte 
kravställa att någon ska ta bort saker eller dylikt. Kartan är fri att 
redigera för alla, som om du har hittat fel så kan du själv skapa en 
användare och rätta till det. Att stigen finns med på kartan är helt i 
sin ordning, det finns inget som är förbjudet att kartlägga i 
OpenStreetMap och målet är att återspegla vad som finns i verkligheten, 
mantrat är "map what's on the ground". Om det däremot är så att stigen 
går över tydligt avgränsad privat mark i direkt anslutning till någons 
hem så är det olämpligt att använda den stigen i enlighet med 
allemansrätten. I så fall borde du (eller någon annan med god 
lokalkännedom) lägga till åtkomstbegränsningar (access=private) på 
stigen så att det är angivet att det är en privat stig vilket 
förhoppningsvis kommer att leda till att Komoot och andra som använder 
OpenStreetMaps data ser till att inte visa det som en lämplig väg för 
fotgängare.


/riiga

2024-06-12 09:56 skrev Örjan Svane via Talk-se:

Dea open street map editors,
your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a path 
near lake Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The path 
indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
property, a "cottage village” owned by the  Svenska Friluftsföreningen 
Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that the path passes very 
close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly violates even Sweden`s 
extensive "Everybody’s right of way”, allemansrätten, which allows 
people to walk on private property except close to private houses  etc. 
From your map, the same path has been included on other similar maps. 
Last  summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors claiming 
their right to use the path, referring to the “komoot” map 
(www.komoot.com). When contacted, komoot gave your map as their source. 
They also indicated that your map is the source also for others besides 
the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away this path on 
your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You should also in 
an appropriate manner inform users of you map of the error.


Yours

Örjan Svane
Member and former Land Manager, SFF
+46-40-406 5326


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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Anders Torger via Talk-se
Håller med, bästa sättet är antagligen att sätta access=private på den 
del av stigen man inte vill ha folk på snarare än att ta bort den helt. 
Ruttverktyg som koomoot m fl bryr sig faktiskt om det så vitt jag vet, 
dvs stigen visas fortfarande men när man försöker dra en rutt så kommer 
den välja en alternativ väg istället för att gå över stigar med 
access=private.


Personligen tycker jag inte det är lämpligt att kartlägga stigar på 
folks privata tomter, men där det är oklart om det är en tomt eller ej 
men det finns en tydlig stig så är det troligt att någon kommer 
kartlägga den, så jag tror också att om man helt enkelt tar bort stigen 
så kommer den dyka upp igen så småningom. Det finns som sagt ingen 
central styrning och process om vad exakt som kartläggs, som 
lantmäteriet, utan det är vilken privatperson som helst som på eget 
bevåg kartlägger. Det är inte alls är ovanligt att det finns en allmän 
stig som går förbi ett flertal mindre stugor, så om man inte känner till 
lokalförhållandena så ser det inte konstigt ut. Om stigen däremot är 
väldigt otydlig så skulle jag säga att det bättre alternativet är att ta 
bort den, då är det liten sannolikhet att den återkommer, så vida den 
inte förekommer på Strava som många kartlägger efter.


/Anders

On 2024-06-13 09:39, John Bäckstrand wrote:

Very interesting! For sure Allemansrätten has limits, and this does 
sound like a case where those has been exceeded.


On the other hand, OpenStreetmap is a map which do not, as far as I 
know, tell people where they may walk according to Allemansrätten. If 
the path exists, it should probably be in OSM unless maybe its a 
"skyddsobjekt" or similar. I don't feel like removing the path is the 
correct solution, and it is likely to get re-added again.


We do have the ability to set access rights on ways which is probably 
the correct solution, but I doubt those are often displayed on maps.


/John B

On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:31 AM Örjan Svane via Talk-se 
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Dea open street map editors,
your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a 
path near lake Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The path 
indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
property, a "cottage village" owned by the  Svenska Friluftsföreningen 
Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that the path passes 
very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly violates even Sweden`s 
extensive "Everybody's right of way", allemansrätten, which allows 
people to walk on private property except close to private houses  
etc. From your map, the same path has been included on other similar 
maps. Last  summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors 
claiming their right to use the path, referring to the "komoot" map 
(www.komoot.com [1]). When contacted, komoot gave your map as their 
source. They also indicated that your map is the source also for 
others besides the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away 
this path on your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You 
should also in an appropriate manner inform users of you map of the 
error.


Yours

Örjan Svane
Member and former Land Manager, SFF
+46-40-406 5326

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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Freya Gustavsson via Talk-se
Att sätta access=no är vad jag gjort på flera vägar själv. Tror det finns något 
med private= också. Sen är det upp till navigeringsverktygen att respektera det

Freya Gustavsson
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On 13/06/2024 09:39, John Bäckstrand  wrote:

> Very interesting! For sure Allemansrätten has limits, and this does sound 
> like a case where those has been exceeded.
>
> On the other hand, OpenStreetmap is a map which do not, as far as I know, 
> tell people where they may walk according to Allemansrätten. If the path 
> exists, it should probably be in OSM unless maybe its a "skyddsobjekt" or 
> similar. I don't feel like removing the path is the correct solution, and it 
> is likely to get re-added again.
>
> We do have the ability to set access rights on ways which is probably the 
> correct solution, but I doubt those are often displayed on maps.
>
> /John B
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2024 at 9:31 AM Örjan Svane via Talk-se 
>  wrote:
>
>> Dea open street map editors,
>> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, which you 
>> are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a path near lake 
>> Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The path indicated in the copy 
>> of the open street map below crosses private property, a "cottage village” 
>> owned by the Svenska Friluftsföreningen Association (SFF). It can be seen on 
>> your map that the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly 
>> violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody’s right of way”, allemansrätten, 
>> which allows people to walk on private property except close to private 
>> houses etc. From your map, the same path has been included on other similar 
>> maps. Last summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors claiming 
>> their right to use the path, referring to the “komoot” map (www.komoot.com). 
>> When contacted, komoot gave your map as their source. They also indicated 
>> that your map is the source also for others besides the komoot. Therefore we 
>> sincerely ask you to take away this path on your map to avoid similar 
>> conflicts in the future. You should also in an appropriate manner inform 
>> users of you map of the error.
>>
>> Yours
>>
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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione John Bäckstrand
Very interesting! For sure Allemansrätten has limits, and this does sound
like a case where those has been exceeded.

On the other hand, OpenStreetmap is a map which do not, as far as I know,
tell people where they may walk according to Allemansrätten. If the path
exists, it should probably be in OSM unless maybe its a "skyddsobjekt" or
similar. I don't feel like removing the path is the correct solution, and
it is likely to get re-added again.

We do have the ability to set access rights on ways which is probably the
correct solution, but I doubt those are often displayed on maps.

/John B

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> Dea open street map editors,
> your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, which
> you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a path near lake
> Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The path indicated in the
> copy of the open street map below crosses private property, a "cottage
> village” owned by the  Svenska Friluftsföreningen Association (SFF). It can
> be seen on your map that the path passes very close to cottages. Therefore,
> it clearly violates even Sweden`s extensive "Everybody’s right of way”,
> allemansrätten, which allows people to walk on private property except
> close to private houses  etc. From your map, the same path has been
> included on other similar maps. Last  summer the Association e.g. had a
> number of visitors claiming their right to use the path, referring to the
> “komoot” map (www.komoot.com). When contacted, komoot gave your map as
> their source. They also indicated that your map is the source also for
> others besides the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away this
> path on your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You should also
> in an appropriate manner inform users of you map of the error.
>
> Yours
>
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> Member and former Land Manager, SFF
> +46-40-406 5326
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Re: [Talk-se] Edit path on private property

2024-06-13 Per discussione Anders Torger via Talk-se
Det finns ingen formell organisation som sådan utan vem som helst kan gå 
in och redigera, även du. Det bästa är om du själv skapar en användare 
på openstreetmap och går in och redigerar, det går att göra direkt i 
webbläsaren. Det bästa är om folk med lokalkännedom är de som 
kartlägger.


/Anders

On 2024-06-12 09:56, Örjan Svane via Talk-se wrote:

Dea open street map editors,
your map has a serious error in a location near Stockholm, Sweden, 
which you are hereby asked to correct. More prcisely it concerns a path 
near lake Återvallsträsk on Ingarö, east of Stocckholm. The path 
indicated in the copy of the open street map below crosses private 
property, a "cottage village” owned by the  Svenska Friluftsföreningen 
Association (SFF). It can be seen on your map that the path passes very 
close to cottages. Therefore, it clearly violates even Sweden`s 
extensive "Everybody’s right of way”, allemansrätten, which allows 
people to walk on private property except close to private houses  etc. 
From your map, the same path has been included on other similar maps. 
Last  summer the Association e.g. had a number of visitors claiming 
their right to use the path, referring to the “komoot” map 
(www.komoot.com). When contacted, komoot gave your map as their source. 
They also indicated that your map is the source also for others besides 
the komoot. Therefore we sincerely ask you to take away this path on 
your map to avoid similar conflicts in the future. You should also in 
an appropriate manner inform users of you map of the error.


Yours

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[Talk-bd] Logo designing for State of the Map Asia 2024

2024-06-10 Per discussione State of the Map Bangladesh
 Calling all designers and creatives! ✨

We're on the hunt for the perfect logo for #SotMAsia24! ✏️ If you've got
a knack for design, we want YOU to paint the face of this year's State of
the Map Asia event in Cox’s Bazar, Bangladesh. ️

Check out the details and submit your masterpiece by June 15th, 2024!

Check out the details here:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Call_for_Logo

Let's make this year's logo shine! 

#SotMAsia
#SotMBangladesh
#BOIL
#ODMBD
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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 724 30/05/2024-05/06/2024

2024-06-09 Per discussione weeklyteam
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 724 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/17254/

Bonne lecture !

Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note 
hebdomadaire sans être membre ? Il vous suffit de vous connecter sur 
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login avec votre compte OSM. Pour en savoir plus 
sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

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Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #724 30/05/2024-05/06/2024

2024-06-09 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 724,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17254

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #724 30/05/2024-05/06/2024

2024-06-09 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 724,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17254

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[OSM-talk-fr] Essoufflement des rencontres toulousaines

2024-06-06 Per discussione Sébastien Dinot

Bonjour à tous,

Nous proposons depuis des années aux contributeurs de la région 
toulousaine une rencontre mensuelle (3ème samedi de chaque mois, de 14h 
à 18h, dans les locaux d'Artilect, 10 rue Tripière à Toulouse). Depuis 
deux ans, je constate une érosion constante de leur fréquentation, à un 
point qui m'amène aujourd'hui à m'interroger sur leur reconduite l'année 
prochaine (i.e. à partir du mois de septembre). Une alternative - à 
construire - est de leur donner un second souffle en révisant le format 
et le contenu de ces rencontres et en communiquant bien plus largement 
pour toucher un nouveau public.


J'ai lancé une discussion à ce sujet il y a quelques jours sur la liste 
locale (local-toulo...@listes.openstreetmap.fr), mais je sais que des 
contributeurs toulousains, abonnés à la liste nationale, ne le sont pas 
à la liste locale, certains ignorant même son existence (j'ai encore 
croisé deux personnes dans ce cas en mai). Je me permets donc de donner 
écho ici et sur le forum français à cette réflexion.


Vous trouverez un état des lieux et quelques pistes de réflexion sur le 
pad suivant :


https://semestriel.framapad.org/p/remue-meninges-rencontres-osm-toulouse

Si vous êtes concernés ou si vous avez une expérience à partager, je 
vous invite à intervenir sur cette liste, sur le forum ou directement 
sur le pad.


Je vous remercie par avance pour votre contribution,

Bonne fin de soirée à vous,

Sébastien

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Re: [Talk-se] Diskussion om badplatser

2024-06-03 Per discussione Per Eric Rosén via Talk-se

FYI: Lagt in en issue för carto om att visa leisure=bathing_place.
https://github.com/gravitystorm/openstreetmap-carto/issues/4976
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[Talk-gb-london] OpenStreetMap Pub meet-up on Tuesday 4th + Tech talk on Monday 10th

2024-06-02 Per discussione Harry Wood
We have TWO London events coming up! :

On Tuesday 4th June we'll have a social OpenStreetMap pub meet-up at The Monkey 
Puzzle pub from 7:00pm. Whether you're a mapper, map user, or just curious, 
come join us for map chat and beers!
The Monkey Puzzle is here on the map https://osm.org/go/euu4EkMyb?m= , between 
Paddington & Edgware Road on the circle line, and Lancaster Gate on the central 
line. It's a little way away from the tube stations in a quite an obscure 
residential location, so you may want to find it using a map! It's a small pub, 
but if you think you may have trouble recognising anyone, turn up at 7:30pm 
when the group will be more assembled, and look out for maps or OpenStreetMap 
hi-viz vests. Also take Harry's number: O7979815O13
The pub serves food and most of us will probably be eating there. Mark yourself 
as "attending" on https://osmcal.org/event/2885/  if you fancy it. Not everyone 
bothers signing up. We normally expect about 5/10 people at the pub.


On Monday 10th June Andy Allan will be giving a talk about maintaining the 
OpenStreetMap website at the London Ruby User Group, hosted in Hoxton 
https://osm.org/go/euu6TBR59?m= . LRUG is a monthly ruby development themed 
meet-up evening with presentations and pub afterwards. There'll be some other 
OSMers in attendance. If you're interested in the technical side of 
OpenStreetMap, it's not to be missed! Sign-up is required and spaces limited.
All the details and sign-up on https://lrug.org/ 


As ever these events get listed on the wiki 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London

Follow OSMLondon on mastodon here: https://en.osm.town/@OSMLondon

The @OSMLondon twitter account is currently showing as "doesn't exist", due to 
being locked out. Funny story. 
https://en.osm.town/@harry_wood/112515340876186061 Hopefully it will be back 
soon.

Harry





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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 723 23/05/2024-29/05/2024

2024-06-02 Per discussione weeklyteam
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 723 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/17244/

Bonne lecture !

Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note 
hebdomadaire sans être membre ? Il vous suffit de vous connecter sur 
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login avec votre compte OSM. Pour en savoir plus 
sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

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Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #723 23/05/2024-29/05/2024

2024-06-02 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 723,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17244

Enjoy! 

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to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #723 23/05/2024-29/05/2024

2024-06-02 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 723,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17244

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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Re: [Talk-se] Diskussion om badplatser

2024-06-01 Per discussione Johan
Då skulle jag rekommendera att ni byter till att följa forumet istället. Det är 
där saker händer nu. Om det är viktigt att få e-post så kan man confa forumet 
att maila updates, och inloggningen är med OSM-kontot. Lägre tröskel är svårt 
att uppbringa.
Johan / <https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Wulfmorn>


On 1 June 2024 at 08:58:05 +02:00, Snusmumriken via Talk-se 
 wrote:

> On Fri, 2024-05-31 at 20:06 +0200, Christoffer Holmstedt wrote:
> 
> > Jag följer bara epostlistan och inte forumet så jag är tacksam när
> > det kommer information denna väg också.
> > 
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Re: [Talk-se] Diskussion om badplatser

2024-06-01 Per discussione Snusmumriken via Talk-se
On Fri, 2024-05-31 at 20:06 +0200, Christoffer Holmstedt wrote:
> Jag följer bara epostlistan och inte forumet så jag är tacksam när
> det kommer information denna väg också.

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Re: [Talk-se] Diskussion om badplatser

2024-05-31 Per discussione Christoffer Holmstedt
Jag följer bara epostlistan och inte forumet så jag är tacksam när det
kommer information denna väg också.

Den fre 31 maj 2024 kl 09:15 skrev Markku Siipola via Talk-se <
talk-se@openstreetmap.org>:

> Jag tror att diskussionen om badplatser i Sverige är bäst att föra på
> svenska osm-forumet. Jag misstänker att många(?) inte följer den här
> epost-listan, som har väldigt låg aktiviet.
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Inscriptions pour le SOTM lancées !

2024-05-31 Per discussione Cédric Frayssinet



Bonjour à toutes et tous !

Pour des raisons de sécurité au niveau de l'université Lyon 3, nous 
*stopperons les inscriptions pour le SOTM le 20 juin*. Il n'y aura pas 
d'inscriptions la dernière semaine ou le jour J.


Merci donc d'informer tous vos contacts le plus largement possible.

Rappel : https://sotm2024.openstreetmap.fr/inscription.html

Bonne fin de semaine,

Cédric, pour le comité d'organisation du SOTM à Lyon.



Le 23/05/2024 à 15:54, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit :

Bonjour à toutes et tous !

Nous venons de lancer les inscriptions pour le *State Of The Map* de 
Lyon.


Vous trouverez sur le site de l'événement 
<https://sotm2024.openstreetmap.fr/>, le formulaire d'inscription mais 
aussi le riche, très riche, programme !


Si vous souhaitez dormir dans une des résidences universitaires à 
proximité, ne tardez pas à réserver !


Et accessoirement, lisez bien les consignes et cochez bien les cases 
qu'il faut :)


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[Talk-se] Diskussion om badplatser

2024-05-31 Per discussione Markku Siipola via Talk-se
Jag tror att diskussionen om badplatser i Sverige är bäst att föra på 
svenska osm-forumet. Jag misstänker att många(?) inte följer den här 
epost-listan, som har väldigt låg aktiviet.


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[Talk-se] utomhusbad med bassänger (var: rättar badplatstaggning)

2024-05-30 Per discussione Per Eric Rosén via Talk-se
Fortsätter att rätta lite badplatser. Har uppdaterat sv:Bathing lite mer, 
så att den följer samma standard som engelska så långt som möjligt.


En fundering dock: Hur tagga utomhusbad med bassänger? Alltså sådana - 
ofta kommunala - anläggningar som är öppna på sommaren, ofta med avgift.


Av engelska sidan uppfattar jag att amenity=public_bath är rätt, om 
anläggningens huvudsyfte är bad (inte bara ett litet bad i en större 
nöjespark). Har taggat enskild pool leisure=swimming_pool.


Synpunkter?

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[OSM-talk-fr] OpenStreetMap France : Convocation à l’Assemblée Générale Ordinaire 2023

2024-05-29 Per discussione Donat ROBAUX
Bonjour à toutes et tous, adhérents, adhérentes, sympathisantes,
sympathisants,

L’Assemblée générale annuelle de l’association OpenStreetMap France aura
lieu le

samedi 29 juin 2024 à 17h00

Université de Lyon, Campus Manufacture des Tabacs, Auditorium Malraux, 16
rue Rollet, Lyon 8e

Association à laquelle vous pouvez apporter votre soutien de beaucoup de
façons, dont l’une est de voter à son assemblée générale. Pour ce faire il
faut être adhérent et à jour de sa cotisation le jour de l’AG (pensez à
anticiper selon votre moyen de paiement et les délais que cela peut
occasionner) : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France
<https://openstreetmap.assoconnect.com/billetterie/offre/60809-u-adherez-a-openstreetmap-france>

Pour rappel, il n’est pas nécessaire d’être adhérent à l’association pour
bénéficier de ses outils, actions et soutiens. L’association permet de
mutualiser des serveurs, des moyens financiers pour des événements, des
besoins pour les groupes locaux, d’être un relais auprès de la Fondation
OpenStreetMap et des institutions et autres organismes en général. C’est
ainsi que plus il y a de votants à l’AG (plus d’adhérents donc) plus sa
voix a du poids [image: :slight_smile:]

Plus de détails ci-dessous, si cela vous intéresse !

Ordre du jour prévisionnel de l’AG

   - Présentation des divers rapports (moral, d’activités, financier),
  - pour alimenter le rapport d’activités collaboratif, c’est par
ici Rapport
  d’activités 2023-2024 collaboratif
  
<https://mypads.framapad.org/mypads/?/mypads/group/osm-fr-upup77pw/pad/view/pad-activites-2023-2024-dignc784>
   - Présentation des candidats au Conseil d’administration
  - La liste des candidats sera disponible ici: France/OSM-FR/AGO
  2024-06-29 - OpenStreetMap Wiki
  
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/France/OSM-FR/AGO_2024-06-29#Candidatures_au_Conseil_d'administration>
   - Débats et discussions
  - Vous pouvez proposer des motions à voter à l’AG et des sujets de
  discussions divers. Cela doit être envoyé sur la liste de diffusion de
  l’association : *association arobase listes.openstreetmap.fr
  <http://listes.openstreetmap.fr/>* avant le 14 juin minuit afin de
  pouvoir préparer l’ordre du jour conformément à nos statuts. L’ordre du
  jour définitif sera communiqué après le 15 juin.

Voter

Pour permettre à cette AG d’être un temps de discussion, les divers votes
se feront en ligne à l’issue de l’AG, sur une période d’une semaine, via le
prestataire OpaVote (utilisé également par la fondation OSM).

La vidéo de l’AG sera disponible sur peertube.openstreetmap.fr pour celles
et ceux qui ne pourraient pas être présents à Lyon. L’AG sera a priori
diffusée en direct (sous réserve de problème technique de dernière minute).

Pour prendre part aux votes, il faut être à jour de sa cotisation
(c’est-à-dire avoir cotisé depuis la dernière assemblée générale de juin
2023): cela se passe ici : Adhésion à OpenStreetMap France
<https://openstreetmap.assoconnect.com/billetterie/offre/60809-u-adherez-a-openstreetmap-france>
.

Étant donné le vote en ligne sur une semaine, il n’est pas organisé de vote
par procuration.

Candidature au Conseil d’administration

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Re: [Talk-se] rättar badplatstaggning

2024-05-29 Per discussione Per Eric Rosén via Talk-se

Tack!

Jag uppdaterade sv:Bathing utifrån vad jag uppfattar som konsensus i 
forum-diskussionen och vad som nu är standard på engelska sidan.

Framför allt att det inte står saker så folk taggar fel.

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Re: [Talk-se] rättar badplatstaggning

2024-05-29 Per discussione Snusmumriken via Talk-se
On Wed, 2024-05-29 at 12:39 +0200, Per Eric Rosén via Talk-se wrote:
> FYI: Många badplatser verkar fortfarande vara lite märkligt taggade i
> Sverige. Enlig praxis och Wiki[1] är det framför allt
> amenity=public_bath 
> (för stora) och leisure=bathing_place som gäller för badplatsen i
> sig.
> 
> Jag har hittat många framför allt natural=beach och
> leisure=swimming_area 
> använda för badplats i sig (de kan användas för features inom en
> badplats).
> 
> Även en del ren sport=swimming. Har också hittat några
> (lokalpatriotiskt
> optimistiska?) leisure=beach_resort för små badplatser.
> 
> Har rättat det jag hittat i Uppland genom sökning på Overpass Turbo
> och 
> manuella justeringar. 

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Re: [Talk-se] rättar badplatstaggning

2024-05-29 Per discussione Markku Siipola via Talk-se
I svenska OSM-forumet diskuterade detta ämne för en tid sedan, och det 
gjordes även en del uppdateringar på wiki.


https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/badplatser-i-sverige/108388/2

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/import-av-badplatser-fran-lm-topografi-50/102458/40

https://community.openstreetmap.org/t/clarification-on-the-mapping-of-bathing-places/105017

/Markku

Den 2024-05-29 kl. 12:39, skrev Per Eric Rosén via Talk-se:
FYI: Många badplatser verkar fortfarande vara lite märkligt taggade i 
Sverige. Enlig praxis och Wiki[1] är det framför allt 
amenity=public_bath (för stora) och leisure=bathing_place som gäller 
för badplatsen i sig.


Jag har hittat många framför allt natural=beach och 
leisure=swimming_area använda för badplats i sig (de kan användas för 
features inom en badplats).


Även en del ren sport=swimming. Har också hittat några (lokalpatriotiskt
optimistiska?) leisure=beach_resort för små badplatser.

Har rättat det jag hittat i Uppland genom sökning på Overpass Turbo 
och manuella justeringar. Gränsdragning bathing_place - public_bath 
kan nog vara en bedömningsfråga, har generellt låtit bli befintliga 
taggar. För natural=beach har jag bara lagt till badplatstagg (och 
flyttat ev namn dit) om det uppenbart framgår att det är badplats, 
till exempel av namn.


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Swimming_and_bathing

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[Talk-se] rättar badplatstaggning

2024-05-29 Per discussione Per Eric Rosén via Talk-se
FYI: Många badplatser verkar fortfarande vara lite märkligt taggade i 
Sverige. Enlig praxis och Wiki[1] är det framför allt amenity=public_bath 
(för stora) och leisure=bathing_place som gäller för badplatsen i sig.


Jag har hittat många framför allt natural=beach och leisure=swimming_area 
använda för badplats i sig (de kan användas för features inom en badplats).


Även en del ren sport=swimming. Har också hittat några (lokalpatriotiskt
optimistiska?) leisure=beach_resort för små badplatser.

Har rättat det jag hittat i Uppland genom sökning på Overpass Turbo och 
manuella justeringar. Gränsdragning bathing_place - public_bath kan nog 
vara en bedömningsfråga, har generellt låtit bli befintliga taggar. För 
natural=beach har jag bara lagt till badplatstagg (och flyttat ev namn 
dit) om det uppenbart framgår att det är badplats, till exempel av namn.


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Swimming_and_bathing

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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 722 16/05/2024-22/05/2024

2024-05-26 Per discussione weeklyteam
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 722 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/17232/

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #722 16/05/2024-22/05/2024

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #722 16/05/2024-22/05/2024

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The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 722,
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Questionnaire EcceCarto2

2024-05-24 Per discussione Rémi LABARTHE
Bonjour Cyrille,

Ah ah, je prends les cartes vitales si jamais ^^
N’hésites pas à faire tourner autour de toi si jamais..

Bon week end !

Rémi 

> Le 24 mai 2024 à 17:31, Cyrille37 OSM  a écrit :
> 
> Bonjour
> 
> Il est très bien ce questionnaire.
> 
> Il est aussi utile aux répondants (c'est moins cher qu'un psy) :-)
> 
> Cyrille37.
> 
> Le 13/05/2024 à 21:33, Rémi LABARTHE a écrit :
>> Bonsoir la Communauté !
>> 
>> Dans le cadre de mon stage à Teritorio, entreprise portée par d’ardents 
>> défenseurs de la cause OSM, je relance « EcceCarto », une enquête diffusée 
>> il y a 9 ans et dont l’objectif était de dresser une typologie des 
>> contributrices et des contributeurs et de leurs valeurs d’engagement.
>> Je cherche à évaluer l’évolution éventuelle de cette typologie, mais pas 
>> que… Je ne veux pas vous spoiler, donc voici le lien pour répondre à 
>> l’enquête :
>> 
>> 
>> http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr
>>   
>> <http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr>
>> 
>> Merci beaucoup à tous !
>> 
>> 
>> Rémi Labarthe
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Questionnaire EcceCarto2

2024-05-24 Per discussione Cyrille37 OSM

Bonjour

Il est très bien ce questionnaire.

Il est aussi utile aux répondants (c'est moins cher qu'un psy) :-)

Cyrille37.

Le 13/05/2024 à 21:33, Rémi LABARTHE a écrit :

Bonsoir la Communauté !

Dans le cadre de mon stage à Teritorio, entreprise portée par d’ardents 
défenseurs de la cause OSM, je relance « EcceCarto », une enquête diffusée il y 
a 9 ans et dont l’objectif était de dresser une typologie des contributrices et 
des contributeurs et de leurs valeurs d’engagement.
Je cherche à évaluer l’évolution éventuelle de cette typologie, mais pas que… 
Je ne veux pas vous spoiler, donc voici le lien pour répondre à l’enquête :


http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr  
<http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr>

Merci beaucoup à tous !


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[OSM-talk-fr] Enquête EcceCarto2

2024-05-24 Per discussione Rémi LABARTHE
Bonjour à toutes et à tous,

Je relance une bouteille dans la mer OSM…Certain(e)s d’entre vous l’ont déjà 
vue passé, et y ont répondu (merci !) mais je relance mon enquête, dont je 
rappelle quelques éléments de contexte :


"Dans le cadre de mon stage à Teritorio, entreprise portée par d’ardents 
défenseurs de la cause OSM, je relance « EcceCarto », une enquête diffusée il y 
a 9 ans et dont l’objectif était de dresser une typologie des contributrices et 
des contributeurs et de leurs valeurs d’engagement.
Je cherche à évaluer l’évolution éventuelle de cette typologie, mais pas que… 
Je ne veux pas vous spoiler, donc voici le lien pour répondre à l’enquête :

EcceCarto2, quelques questions pour mieux vous connaître ! 
<http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr>
Je précise que la majorité des questions ne sont pas obligatoires, donc 
n’hésitez pas à passer outre celles qui vous incommodent.
parlez-en autour de vous, et n’hésitez pas à revenir vers moi pour plus de 
précisions."

Merci beaucoup, partagez, et bonne cartographie !

Rémi

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[OSM-talk-fr] Inscriptions pour le SOTM lancées !

2024-05-23 Per discussione Cédric Frayssinet

Bonjour à toutes et tous !

Nous venons de lancer les inscriptions pour le *State Of The Map* de Lyon.

Vous trouverez sur le site de l'événement 
<https://sotm2024.openstreetmap.fr/>, le formulaire d'inscription mais 
aussi le riche, très riche, programme !


Si vous souhaitez dormir dans une des résidences universitaires à 
proximité, ne tardez pas à réserver !


Et accessoirement, lisez bien les consignes et cochez bien les cases 
qu'il faut :)


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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-21 Per discussione Warin


On 20/5/24 20:10, Mark Pulley wrote:

On 18 May 2024, at 5:36 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
On 18/5/24 00:10, Mark Pulley wrote:
I’ve just uploaded a changeset deleting the overlapping ways for the 
Grand Clifftop Walk.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/151456052


Thanks Mark. That is quite a bit of work.

I would have done it later in a week or two, just to make certain 
there were no objections.


I started the Grand Cliff Top Walk relation so as to get it on 
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=17595958=relation=15.0/-33.7223/150.3398


then I came across the overlapping ways ...

My thoughts are ...

You have to be very careful with using 'route signs' to name paths.

Without knowledge the path name may not be the route name, so I would 
not tag the path with the name unless I could verified it.


I wasn’t sure if this last section was a general comment or 
specifically for this changeset.



A general comment. I could not take 'route markers' (where ever they 
might be) to imply the path name without more information.


The route relation is most useful for 
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/ and the renders who use the route 
relations.
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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-20 Per discussione Mark Pulley
> On 18 May 2024, at 5:36 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18/5/24 00:10, Mark Pulley wrote:
>> I’ve just uploaded a changeset deleting the overlapping ways for the Grand 
>> Clifftop Walk.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/151456052
> Thanks Mark. That is quite a bit of work.
> 
> I would have done it later in a week or two, just to make certain there were 
> no objections.
> 
> I started the Grand Cliff Top Walk relation so as to get it on 
> https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=17595958=relation=15.0/-33.7223/150.3398
> 
> then I came across the overlapping ways ...
> 
> My thoughts are ...
> 
> You have to be very careful with using 'route signs' to name paths. 
> 
> Without knowledge the path name may not be the route name, so I would not tag 
> the path with the name unless I could verified it.
> 
I wasn’t sure if this last section was a general comment or specifically for 
this changeset.
In this case, apart from deleting the duplicate 'Grand Cliff Top Walk’ ways, I 
left the other ways as they were without changing names (apart from splitting 
some ways to allow for the relation to work).

Mark P.

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[Talk-se] Butikbot -Håller öppettider uppdaterade automatiskt

2024-05-19 Per discussione Butikbot via Talk-se
Hej

Jag tänker bygga en bot som crawlar butikshemsidor och automatiskt upodaterar 
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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 721 09/05/2024-15/05/2024

2024-05-19 Per discussione weeklyteam
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 721 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/17225/

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #721 09/05/2024-15/05/2024

2024-05-19 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 721,
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #721 09/05/2024-15/05/2024

2024-05-19 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 721,
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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-18 Per discussione Warin


On 18/5/24 00:10, Mark Pulley wrote:
I’ve just uploaded a changeset deleting the overlapping ways for the 
Grand Clifftop Walk.


https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/151456052



Thanks Mark. That is quite a bit of work.

I would have done it later in a week or two, just to make certain there 
were no objections.



I started the Grand Cliff Top Walk relation so as to get it on 
https://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/#route?id=17595958=relation=15.0/-33.7223/150.3398


then I came across the overlapping ways ...


My thoughts are ...

You have to be very careful with using 'route signs' to name paths.

Without knowledge the path name may not be the route name, so I would 
not tag the path with the name unless I could verified it.





Mark P.


On 17 May 2024, at 6:37 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:


On 17/5/24 00:11, Mark Pulley wrote:

On 16 May 2024, at 6:15 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each 
with different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, 
I repeat may, not be the true path name.

Example
Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 
'Overcliff-Undercliff track' .. the over cliff track is mapped 
separately in OSM. A route relation could be made with both these 
tracks and a website link..
Just had a look at this one - YUK! The new 'Grand Clifftop Walk' way 
overlapping the existing way should go. New relation should be made 
for the route. There are some sections that would keep the name - 
the section from Golf Links Lookout to near Carleton Road was given 
that name back in the ?1990s? (I remember seeing the name in the mid 
90s) - the track was meant to be extended further to Sublime Point 
but this never happened.


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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-17 Per discussione Mark Pulley
I’ve just uploaded a changeset deleting the overlapping ways for the Grand 
Clifftop Walk.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/151456052

Mark P.

> On 17 May 2024, at 6:37 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On 17/5/24 00:11, Mark Pulley wrote:
>>> On 16 May 2024, at 6:15 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with 
>>> different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat may, 
>>> not be the true path name.
>>> Example
>>> Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
>>> Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff 
>>> track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route 
>>> relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..
>> Just had a look at this one - YUK! The new 'Grand Clifftop Walk' way 
>> overlapping the existing way should go. New relation should be made for the 
>> route. There are some sections that would keep the name - the section from 
>> Golf Links Lookout to near Carleton Road was given that name back in the 
>> ?1990s? (I remember seeing the name in the mid 90s) - the track was meant to 
>> be extended further to Sublime Point but this never happened.
>> 
> The error message I got from JOSM was some 50 overlayed ways .. that may not 
> be all of them.
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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-17 Per discussione Warin


On 17/5/24 00:11, Mark Pulley wrote:

On 16 May 2024, at 6:15 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with 
different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat may, not 
be the true path name.
Example
Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff track' 
.. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route relation could be 
made with both these tracks and a website link..

Just had a look at this one - YUK! The new 'Grand Clifftop Walk' way 
overlapping the existing way should go. New relation should be made for the 
route. There are some sections that would keep the name - the section from Golf 
Links Lookout to near Carleton Road was given that name back in the ?1990s? (I 
remember seeing the name in the mid 90s) - the track was meant to be extended 
further to Sublime Point but this never happened.

The error message I got from JOSM was some 50 overlayed ways .. that may 
not be all of them.


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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Mark Pulley
> On 16 May 2024, at 6:15 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with 
> different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat may, 
> not be the true path name.
> Example
> Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
> Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff track' 
> .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route relation could 
> be made with both these tracks and a website link..

Just had a look at this one - YUK! The new 'Grand Clifftop Walk' way 
overlapping the existing way should go. New relation should be made for the 
route. There are some sections that would keep the name - the section from Golf 
Links Lookout to near Carleton Road was given that name back in the ?1990s? (I 
remember seeing the name in the mid 90s) - the track was meant to be extended 
further to Sublime Point but this never happened.

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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Mark Pulley
Using the analogy of highways, the local name would take priority (e.g. name of 
fire trail), other otherwise-unnamed sections would take the route name.

Doesn’t necessarily apply to tracks of course. When I surveyed the Great North 
Walk 4 years ago from Cowan to Epping Road 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/88292947 I applied the name to some of 
the paths. I recall there being wooden signs with the Great North Walk name 
present, so I took this to be the name of the path.

Mark P.

> On 16 May 2024, at 9:11 PM, cleary  wrote:
> A response to Tony's comment  (but not necessarily relevant to the names of 
> tracks)
> 
> The "higher" name is not necessarily the street name.
> 
> In New South Wales, the local government is the naming authority for street 
> names.  Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) is the authority for designating 
> highways but not the street names.  For example, in the Sydney suburb of 
> Ashfield, the Hume Highway includes Liverpool Road but the official name of 
> the road is Liverpool Road and premises will have Liverpool Road as their 
> address.  The RMS can designate the road as a highway and can signpost the 
> name/number of the highway but the local government posts the formal street 
> name.  In the particular example I have given, the primary name is Liverpool 
> Road.  This principle applies in all the similar instances of which I am 
> aware.
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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Ian Steer via Talk-au
Sounds like you have 2 issues here?
1. someone has created a way (probably from a GPS recorded walk) with no
regard for the fact that some (or all) of the ways were already in OSM, and
2. how those ways are named?

Issue 1: I have come across this from time-to-time and it is a p-i-t-a
fixing it up - but has to be done.  This involves deleting the new way where
a way already existed, creating new ones where they don't, then creating the
route relation.

Issue 2: Is also something I come across with the Munda Biddi Trail and
Bibbulmun Track in WA.  Original mappers of these ways and relations have in
some cases named (for example) a forestry fire trail "Munda Biddi Trail"
because the Munda Biddi uses the existing way.  I don't believe this is
correct and usually delete the name off the way.  However, when a new piece
of single-trail has been built just for the Munda Biddi, I believe it *is*
correct to name that way Munda Biddi Trail.

Ian


> 
> HI,
> 
> On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.
> 
> 
> One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking
route,
> where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I think this
is a
> combination of mistaking the route signage as the track name and route
> relations not rendering.
> 
> 
> In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with
> different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat
may, not
> be the true path name.
> 
> 
> Example
> 
> Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
> 
> Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff
track' ..
> the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route relation could
be
> made with both these tracks and a website link..
> 
> --
> 
> In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a route
I
> think it would be best to remove that way and include the remaining way in
a
> route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great Cliff Top Walk' route
and that
> would then remove the double overlayed ways. .
> 
> 
> Thoughts/comments ???
> 
> 
> 


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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Ewen Hill
Hi,
  This sounds similar to the Munda Biddi and Bibblimum 1000km trails (WA)
and 900km Mawson Trail (SA), both of which use a collection of existing
roads/paths/trails along with some purpose built link sections.

Think about Donnelly River Village. South of the town the Munda Biddi is on
Jeffries Road, North is on Willow Springs Road and it makes far more sense
to have these local names rather than having it tagged as the Munda Biddi.
The Munda Biddi and Bibblimum both use Jefferies track for a short section
so we could have three tracks on top of each other. This occurs again and
again with the local Waterous loop trail.

The issues are we don't know which will render first or any other side
effects and that if I select the top one to edit to change an attribute
then the editor may not be aware of the other two underneath potentially.
If we continue this line, then is there a problem with adding a separate
road called Old Belgrave Road under Belgrave-Ferny Creek Rd and under
Terrys Avenue, it gets unwieldy very quickly/.

Ewen



On Thu, 16 May 2024 at 20:29,  wrote:

> Hi Warin
>
> I would expect the highest order entity, the longest or biggest
> entity, to be the primary name. For example the Hume Highway will
> include a lot of High Streets, Station Streets or Main streets of
> country towns. In my mind its first the Hume Highway and secondly High
> Street wherever. I havent given it a lot of thought, its just how it
> feels.
>
> Tony
>
> > HI,
> >
> > On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.
> >
> >
> > One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking
> > route, where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I
> > think this is a combination of mistaking the route signage as the track
> > name and route relations not rendering.
> >
> >
> > In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with
> > different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat
> > may, not be the true path name.
> >
> >
> > Example
> >
> > Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
> >
> > Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff
> > track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route
> > relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..
> >
> > --
> >
> > In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a
> > route I think it would be best to remove that way and include the
> > remaining way in a route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great
> > Cliff Top Walk' route and that would then remove the double overlayed
> > ways. .
> >
> >
> > Thoughts/comments ???
> >
> >
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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Tom Brennan

Agreed, if I understand you correctly.

In the case of something like the Great North Walk, it can be a bit of a 
grey area as not only the main track, but many of the feeder tracks are 
labelled Great North Walk. If you didn't know the history of the tracks, 
you could easily assume it's all just the Great North Walk.


Spatial Services often shows the Great North Walk in a different colour 
to the name of the individual track


eg:
https://maps.ozultimate.com/?lat=-33.621784672158356=151.12625598907474=15

cheers
Tom

Canyoning? try http://ozultimate.com/canyoning
Bushwalking? try http://bushwalkingnsw.com

On 16/05/2024 6:15 pm, Warin wrote:

HI,

On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.


One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking 
route, where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I 
think this is a combination of mistaking the route signage as the track 
name and route relations not rendering.



In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with 
different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat 
may, not be the true path name.



Example

Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'

Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff 
track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route 
relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..


--

In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a 
route I think it would be best to remove that way and include the 
remaining way in a route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great 
Cliff Top Walk' route and that would then remove the double overlayed 
ways. .



Thoughts/comments ???



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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione cleary


A response to Tony's comment  (but not necessarily relevant to the names of 
tracks)

The "higher" name is not necessarily the street name.

In New South Wales, the local government is the naming authority for street 
names.  Roads and Maritime Services (RMS) is the authority for designating 
highways but not the street names.  For example, in the Sydney suburb of 
Ashfield, the Hume Highway includes Liverpool Road but the official name of the 
road is Liverpool Road and premises will have Liverpool Road as their address.  
The RMS can designate the road as a highway and can signpost the name/number of 
the highway but the local government posts the formal street name.  In the 
particular example I have given, the primary name is Liverpool Road.  This 
principle applies in all the similar instances of which I am aware. 




On Thu, 16 May 2024, at 8:23 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:
> Hi Warin
>
> I would expect the highest order entity, the longest or biggest  
> entity, to be the primary name. For example the Hume Highway will  
> include a lot of High Streets, Station Streets or Main streets of  
> country towns. In my mind its first the Hume Highway and secondly High  
> Street wherever. I havent given it a lot of thought, its just how it  
> feels.
>
> Tony
>
>> HI,
>>
>> On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.
>>
>>
>> One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking
>> route, where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I
>> think this is a combination of mistaking the route signage as the track
>> name and route relations not rendering.
>>
>>
>> In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with
>> different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat
>> may, not be the true path name.
>>
>>
>> Example
>>
>> Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'
>>
>> Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff
>> track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route
>> relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..
>>
>> --
>>
>> In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a
>> route I think it would be best to remove that way and include the
>> remaining way in a route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great
>> Cliff Top Walk' route and that would then remove the double overlayed
>> ways. .
>>
>>
>> Thoughts/comments ???
>>
>>
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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Warin

Hi,


I'm specifically talking of hiking paths.




Highways I think are already mapped correctly ... digging one out now ..

The Great Western Highway exists as a route of 682 members

Most of the members carry the same name as the route. But some carry 
other names



Such as;

Way: Stewart Street (176174126)     "alt_name"="Great Western Highway"

Way: Durham Street (228061611)    "alt_name"="Great Western Highway"

Way: Sydney Road (375627444)     "alt_name"="Great Western Highway"


The DCS Base Map  agrees in that  'Great Western Highway' does not 
appear in these sections but the name now appearing in OSM is used.


I checked Coles Express Bathurst - their address is given as Durham 
Street not Great Western Highway ... so Durhams Street is used in 
preference to Great Western Highway here.




On 16/5/24 20:23, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote:

Hi Warin

I would expect the highest order entity, the longest or biggest 
entity, to be the primary name. For example the Hume Highway will 
include a lot of High Streets, Station Streets or Main streets of 
country towns. In my mind its first the Hume Highway and secondly High 
Street wherever. I havent given it a lot of thought, its just how it 
feels.


Tony


HI,

On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.


One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking
route, where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I
think this is a combination of mistaking the route signage as the track
name and route relations not rendering.


In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with
different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat
may, not be the true path name.


Example

Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'

Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff
track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route
relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..

--

In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a
route I think it would be best to remove that way and include the
remaining way in a route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great
Cliff Top Walk' route and that would then remove the double overlayed
ways. .


Thoughts/comments ???



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Re: [talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione forster

Hi Warin

I would expect the highest order entity, the longest or biggest  
entity, to be the primary name. For example the Hume Highway will  
include a lot of High Streets, Station Streets or Main streets of  
country towns. In my mind its first the Hume Highway and secondly High  
Street wherever. I havent given it a lot of thought, its just how it  
feels.


Tony


HI,

On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.


One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking
route, where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I
think this is a combination of mistaking the route signage as the track
name and route relations not rendering.


In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with
different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat
may, not be the true path name.


Example

Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'

Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff
track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route
relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..

--

In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a
route I think it would be best to remove that way and include the
remaining way in a route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great
Cliff Top Walk' route and that would then remove the double overlayed
ways. .


Thoughts/comments ???



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[talk-au] Track route names used to name paths

2024-05-16 Per discussione Warin

HI,

On some paths route signs have been used to 'name' the path.


One example is the 'Great North Walk', a Sydney to Newcastle walking 
route, where many of the paths existed before the route was created. I 
think this is a combination of mistaking the route signage as the track 
name and route relations not rendering.



In the Blue Mountains some paths have more than one OSM way - each with 
different 'name', at least some of these are routes that may, I repeat 
may, not be the true path name.



Example

Way 1199677262 - 'Grand Clifftop Walk'

Way 22761613 - 'Overcliff Track' Note NPWS route 'Overcliff-Undercliff 
track' .. the over cliff track is mapped separately in OSM. A route 
relation could be made with both these tracks and a website link..


--

In the Blue Mts where there are overlayed ways and one of them is a 
route I think it would be best to remove that way and include the 
remaining way in a route relation .. I think most of this is the 'Great 
Cliff Top Walk' route and that would then remove the double overlayed 
ways. .



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Re: [Talk-ee] OpenHistoricalMap ja import

2024-05-15 Per discussione Jaak Laineste
Tere,

ma ei oska vist siin väga aidata, aga LinkedIni feedist jäi selline võibolla 
kuidagi seotud postitus täna silma timemap.org <http://timemap.org/> 
lanseerimisest: 
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/klokan_exciting-news-from-san-francisco-our-activity-7196197366582960129--hAr?utm_source=share_medium=member_desktop
 


Jaak

> On 15. May 2024, at 15:37, Mihkel Oviir  wrote:
> 
> Tere!
> Mul on käsil üks projekt, mis peaks kaardil kuvama ajaloolisi andmeid 
> Liivimaa kohta. Kuna tellija üritas ise kogu aluskaarti käsitsi valmis 
> treida, omamata selleks arusaama, mida ühe aluskaardi valmis treimine 
> tegelikult tähendab, siis pakkusin tellijale välja, et äkki kasutaks midagi, 
> mis on juba olemas. OHM võiks justkui vajadused ära katta, ainult, et see on 
> Liivimaa ulatuses ikka väga plank. Tellijal on ette valmistatud mingi hulk 
> ruumiandmeid, mida ta sooviks kaardil näha, sh näiteks keskaegne rannajoon 
> Tallinnas, hooned, kinnistud.
> 
> Ilmselt tuleks tegeleda impordiga. Ma ei ole ise kunagi OSM'is impordiga 
> tegelenud. Tehnilise poole pealt saaks kasutada JOSM'i, töövoog oleks ilmselt 
> midagi sellist:
> 
> JOSM tuleks siis OHM'i jaoks seadistada, seejärel tuleks iga shp kohta eraldi:
> 1. eelnevalt töödelda olemasolevaid andmeid, st lisada OHM'i jaoks vajalikud 
> atribuudid (et OHM ikka saaks aru, et tee on tee ja veekogu on veekogu ja 
> maja on maja jne.) ja kustutada üleliigsed (et vältida pärast käsitööd);
> 2. JOSM'is laadida selle SHP'i puudutavad andmed OHMist.
> 3. importida shp JOSMi (kõikidest atribuutidest moodustatakse OHM'i tag'id)
> 4. Tegeleda duplikaatidega ja muude topoloogiliste probleemidega (andmete 
> merge)
> 5. Teha muudetud andmeseti upload OHMi.
> 
> Kuna ma ei ole impordiga ise tegelenud aga saan aru (OSMi kogukonnareeglitele 
> tuginedes), et
> 1. Tuleks oma kogukonnaga import läbi arutada (üritan seda praegu teha)
> 2. Import tuleks wikis ära kirjeldada. See on natuke segane, et kus ja mis. 
> OHMi wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenHistoricalMap
> 3. Teha import.
> 
> Mõtteid, ettepanekuid?
> 
> terv,
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[Talk-ee] OpenHistoricalMap ja import

2024-05-15 Per discussione Mihkel Oviir
Tere!
Mul on käsil üks projekt, mis peaks kaardil kuvama ajaloolisi andmeid
Liivimaa kohta. Kuna tellija üritas ise kogu aluskaarti käsitsi valmis
treida, omamata selleks arusaama, mida ühe aluskaardi valmis treimine
tegelikult tähendab, siis pakkusin tellijale välja, et äkki kasutaks
midagi, mis on juba olemas. OHM võiks justkui vajadused ära katta, ainult,
et see on Liivimaa ulatuses ikka väga plank. Tellijal on ette valmistatud
mingi hulk ruumiandmeid, mida ta sooviks kaardil näha, sh näiteks keskaegne
rannajoon Tallinnas, hooned, kinnistud.

Ilmselt tuleks tegeleda impordiga. Ma ei ole ise kunagi OSM'is impordiga
tegelenud. Tehnilise poole pealt saaks kasutada JOSM'i, töövoog oleks
ilmselt midagi sellist:

JOSM tuleks siis OHM'i jaoks seadistada, seejärel tuleks iga shp kohta
eraldi:
1. eelnevalt töödelda olemasolevaid andmeid, st lisada OHM'i jaoks
vajalikud atribuudid (et OHM ikka saaks aru, et tee on tee ja veekogu on
veekogu ja maja on maja jne.) ja kustutada üleliigsed (et vältida pärast
käsitööd);
2. JOSM'is laadida selle SHP'i puudutavad andmed OHMist.
3. importida shp JOSMi (kõikidest atribuutidest moodustatakse OHM'i tag'id)
4. Tegeleda duplikaatidega ja muude topoloogiliste probleemidega (andmete
merge)
5. Teha muudetud andmeseti upload OHMi.

Kuna ma ei ole impordiga ise tegelenud aga saan aru (OSMi
kogukonnareeglitele tuginedes), et
1. Tuleks oma kogukonnaga import läbi arutada (üritan seda praegu teha)
2. Import tuleks wikis ära kirjeldada. See on natuke segane, et kus ja mis.
OHMi wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenHistoricalMap
3. Teha import.

Mõtteid, ettepanekuid?

terv,
Mihkel
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[OSM-talk-fr] Questionnaire EcceCarto2

2024-05-13 Per discussione Rémi LABARTHE
Bonsoir la Communauté !

Dans le cadre de mon stage à Teritorio, entreprise portée par d’ardents 
défenseurs de la cause OSM, je relance « EcceCarto », une enquête diffusée il y 
a 9 ans et dont l’objectif était de dresser une typologie des contributrices et 
des contributeurs et de leurs valeurs d’engagement.
Je cherche à évaluer l’évolution éventuelle de cette typologie, mais pas que… 
Je ne veux pas vous spoiler, donc voici le lien pour répondre à l’enquête :


http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr
 
<http://enquetes-passages.huma-num.fr/index.php?r=survey/index=863977=fr>

Merci beaucoup à tous !


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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 720 02/05/2024-08/05/2024

2024-05-12 Per discussione weeklyteam
Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 720 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/17209/

Bonne lecture !

Saviez-vous que vous pouvez vous aussi soumettre des messages pour la note 
hebdomadaire sans être membre ? Il vous suffit de vous connecter sur 
https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login avec votre compte OSM. Pour en savoir plus 
sur la rédaction d'un article, cliquez ici: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm

hebdoOSM ? 
Qui : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
Où : 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #720 02/05/2024-08/05/2024

2024-05-12 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 720,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17209

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #720 02/05/2024-08/05/2024

2024-05-12 Per discussione weeklyteam
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 720,
is now available online in English, giving as always a summary of a lot of 
things happening in the openstreetmap world:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/archives/17209

Enjoy! 

Did you know that you can also submit messages for the weeklyOSM? Just log in 
to https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login with your OSM account. Read more about 
how to write a post here: 
https://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 

weeklyOSM? 
who: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
where?: 
https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/weeklyosm-is-currently-produced-in_56718#2/8.6/108.3
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Re: [Talk-bd] Official Announcement: Formation of OSM Bangladesh Executive Committee!

2024-05-11 Per discussione Muhammad Yahya
Best wishes to the newly appointed board!

---
Yahya
Wikimedia steward

On Wed, May 8, 2024, 1:57 PM OpenStreetMap Bangladesh 
wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> We are thrilled to share some exciting news from OpenStreetMap Bangladesh
> (OSMBD). For the first time ever, the OSM Bangladesh community has
> successfully formed an elected Executive Committee, consisting of a team of
> dedicated individuals who will guide our community's activities and
> initiatives.
>
> We are proud to introduce the newly elected Executive Committee:
>
> President: S M Sawan Shariar
>
> Vice-President: Atikur Rahman
>
> Secretary: Samsul Arafin
>
> Treasurer: Nahid Ferdous
>
> Member-at-large: Mehedi Hasan Ovi
>
> Member-at-large: Afia Tahmin Jahin
>
> Member-at-large: Laila Sharmin Nova
>
> The committee is committed to upholding OSMBD's core values of
> collaboration, community-driven initiatives, openness, and accessibility.
> Our focus is on promoting the use and development of OpenStreetMap in
> Bangladesh, building and maintaining a comprehensive map of Bangladesh that
> is freely accessible, and supporting OSM groups and initiatives through
> training, events, and more.
>
> We would be delighted to collaborate with you on OSM-related projects in
> Bangladesh. If you need any assistance or guidance, or if you would like to
> collaborate on OSM-integrated activities, please do not hesitate to reach
> out to us at our central email communication address: info.os...@gmail.com
>
> For ongoing updates and discussions, we invite you to subscribe to our
> Talk BD channel through the following link:
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-bd
>
> We appreciate your support and collaboration in advancing the use of
> OpenStreetMap in Bangladesh and look forward to working with you to achieve
> our shared goals.
>
> Thank you for standing with the OpenStreetMap Bangladesh community.
>
>
>
> Cheers!
>
>
>
> Sawan Shariar
>
> President (Elected)
>
> OpenStreetMap Bangladesh
>
>
> info.os...@gmail.com
>
> talk-bd@openstreetmap.org
>
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Re: [Talk-bd] [HOT] Official Announcement: Formation of OSM Bangladesh Executive Committee!

2024-05-10 Per discussione Anuradha Rajanayake
Congratulations ! , Sawan and OSM Bangladesh

Thanks & Regards,

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On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:21 PM Arnalie Vicario via HOT <
h...@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Congratulations, OSM Bangladesh!!!
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 3:51 PM OpenStreetMap Bangladesh <
> info.os...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> We are thrilled to share some exciting news from OpenStreetMap Bangladesh
>> (OSMBD). For the first time ever, the OSM Bangladesh community has
>> successfully formed an elected Executive Committee, consisting of a team of
>> dedicated individuals who will guide our community's activities and
>> initiatives.
>>
>> We are proud to introduce the newly elected Executive Committee:
>>
>> President: S M Sawan Shariar
>>
>> Vice-President: Atikur Rahman
>>
>> Secretary: Samsul Arafin
>>
>> Treasurer: Nahid Ferdous
>>
>> Member-at-large: Mehedi Hasan Ovi
>>
>> Member-at-large: Afia Tahmin Jahin
>>
>> Member-at-large: Laila Sharmin Nova
>>
>> The committee is committed to upholding OSMBD's core values of
>> collaboration, community-driven initiatives, openness, and accessibility.
>> Our focus is on promoting the use and development of OpenStreetMap in
>> Bangladesh, building and maintaining a comprehensive map of Bangladesh that
>> is freely accessible, and supporting OSM groups and initiatives through
>> training, events, and more.
>>
>> We would be delighted to collaborate with you on OSM-related projects in
>> Bangladesh. If you need any assistance or guidance, or if you would like to
>> collaborate on OSM-integrated activities, please do not hesitate to reach
>> out to us at our central email communication address:
>> info.os...@gmail.com
>>
>> For ongoing updates and discussions, we invite you to subscribe to our
>> Talk BD channel through the following link:
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-bd
>>
>> We appreciate your support and collaboration in advancing the use of
>> OpenStreetMap in Bangladesh and look forward to working with you to achieve
>> our shared goals.
>>
>> Thank you for standing with the OpenStreetMap Bangladesh community.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers!
>>
>>
>>
>> Sawan Shariar
>>
>> President (Elected)
>>
>> OpenStreetMap Bangladesh
>>
>>
>> info.os...@gmail.com
>>
>> talk-bd@openstreetmap.org
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
>
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>
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>
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