Re: [talk-ph] First case of removing tainted data

2010-04-06 Thread maning sambale
If you are going to proceed, I recommend following these steps, so
that revertion would be minimized:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Maning/copyright_detection_notes#Removing_.22tainted.22_data

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:42 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm planning to remove some tainted data in the area that was mentioned by 
 Anthony a couple of emails back. ( 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.94963lon=120.08165zoom=15layers=B000FTFT
  ) However, I need your explicit approval before I can do this. (Not only 
 that, I have to deal with those edits from Olongapo to Iba, Balanga and in 
 Western Cavite).

 @Anthony: Have you uploaded the traces in the area? (And make sure that those 
 traces are yours. By the way, the Mindanao Avenue tunnel is going to open in 
 45-70 days time, and when it opens, switch it to highway=construction to 
 highway=primary ASAP)





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Re: [talk-ph] First case of removing tainted data

2010-04-06 Thread ianlopez
Just to verify - should I add note=illegal data import on first changeset, 
then delete on the next? (This is like playing minesweeper - if you delete the 
data that wasn't part of the tainted changesets, game over)


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From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: First case of removing tainted data
To: ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com
Cc: Anthony G. Balico anthony.bal...@gmail.com, Eugene Alvin Villar 
sea...@gmail.com, OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Date: Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 8:04 PM

If you are going to proceed, I recommend following these steps, so
that revertion would be minimized:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Maning/copyright_detection_notes#Removing_.22tainted.22_data

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:42 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm planning to remove some tainted data in the area that was mentioned by 
 Anthony a couple of emails back. ( 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.94963lon=120.08165zoom=15layers=B000FTFT
  ) However, I need your explicit approval before I can do this. (Not only 
 that, I have to deal with those edits from Olongapo to Iba, Balanga and in 
 Western Cavite).

 @Anthony: Have you uploaded the traces in the area? (And make sure that those 
 traces are yours. By the way, the Mindanao Avenue tunnel is going to open in 
 45-70 days time, and when it opens, switch it to highway=construction to 
 highway=primary ASAP)





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Re: [talk-ph] First case of removing tainted data

2010-04-06 Thread Anthony G. Balico
Hi Ian,

Trust me, all the gpx traces i've uploaded are all mine.  Since that
conflict with you-know-who :), i've learned my lesson about proprietary.
Im running 3 gps's now, thanks to Maning for one gpstogo unit.

Its good to hear Mindanao Ave tunnel will be opening soon.  Its one
helluva traffic every rush hour in there. I will not miss that, i live
in the area *wink*

Bytheway, im uploading some traces taken at Negros, from Bacolod down
south to Dumaguete.  Tracing these at the same time.


Anthony


On Tue, 2010-04-06 at 04:42 -0700, ianlopez wrote:
 I'm planning to remove some tainted data in the area that was
 mentioned by Anthony a couple of emails back.
 ( 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.94963lon=120.08165zoom=15layers=B000FTFT
  ) However, I need your explicit approval before I can do this. (Not only 
 that, I have to deal with those edits from Olongapo to Iba, Balanga and in 
 Western Cavite).
 
 @Anthony: Have you uploaded the traces in the area? (And make sure
 that those traces are yours. By the way, the Mindanao Avenue tunnel is
 going to open in 45-70 days time, and when it opens, switch it to
 highway=construction to highway=primary ASAP)
 
 
 



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[talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread Ed Garcia
Hi all.

I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and would
just like bring it up again on the forum ...

I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as possible to
the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles.  Most
town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the boundaries of
the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is usually
along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what town is
next down the road when he/she navigates with a GPS.

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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread George Tujan
+1 for me as well

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 including town (at the heart of poblacion), and also for rural barangays
 (node should be nearest the concentration of community/houses... most of the
 time near the old churches, barangay halls or very near the town/brgy plaza.


 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
  wrote:

 +1 for me

 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi all.
 
  I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and
 would
  just like bring it up again on the forum ...
 
  I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as possible
 to
  the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
  navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles.
 Most
  town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the
 boundaries of
  the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is
 usually
  along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what town
 is
  next down the road when he/she navigates with a GPS.
 
  cheers
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread Marloue Pidor
Good idea, moving Davao City to the City Hall. Let me see if it look
better there. What I did before is to place those city/municipal name
markers to a place where there's few POI's.

Best,

murlwe
-Original Message- 
From: Ed Garcia [eppgar...@gmail.com]
Sent: 4/6/2010 8:46:58 PM
To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

Hi all.

I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago and
would
just like bring it up again on the forum ...

I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as
possible to the
municipal hall of the towns. This makes for better and easier
navigation when
using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning compiles. Most town nodes
are
still located at the geographical center of the boundaries of the town.
If the
node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is usually along the
main road
of the town), a traveller can see better what town is next down the
road when
he/she navigates with a GPS.

cheers
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread Marloue Pidor
+1 for me too. (http://osm.org/go/4sYiZTA6-)
-Original Message- 
From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
Sent: 4/6/2010 8:49:59 PM
To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

+1 for me

On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi all.

 I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some time ago
and would
 just like bring it up again on the forum ...

 I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near as
possible to
 the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and easier
 navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning
compiles.  Most
 town nodes are still located at the geographical center of the
boundaries of
 the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall (which is
usually
 along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better what
town is
 next down the road when he/she navigates with a GPS.

 cheers
 ed


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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread Bart Bartolome
do I get a vote? +1 for me too then ;)

On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 09:22 PM, George Tujan wrote:
 +1 for me as well

 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Rally de Leon
 rall...@gmail.com
 mailto:rall...@gmail.com wrote:

 +1 including town (at the heart of poblacion), and also for rural
 barangays (node should be nearest the concentration of
 community/houses... most of the time near the old churches, barangay
 halls or very near the town/brgy plaza.


 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:50 PM, maning sambale
 emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 mailto:emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 +1 for me

 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Ed Garcia
 eppgar...@gmail.com
 mailto:eppgar...@gmail.com wrote:
   Hi all.
  
   I have partially brought this subject up with Maning some
 time ago and would
   just like bring it up again on the forum ...
  
   I propose to make it standard to position town nodes as near
 as possible to
   the municipal hall of the towns.  This makes for better and
 easier
   navigation when using the osmphil_garmin GPS map that Maning
 compiles.  Most
   town nodes are still located at the geographical center of
 the boundaries of
   the town.  If the node is moved near to the municipal hall
 (which is usually
   along the main road of the town), a traveller can see better
 what town is
   next down the road when he/she navigates with a GPS.
  
   cheers
   ed
  
  
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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread Jim Morgan
Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
 Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an hour
 from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.  That
 town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is currently
 located on the mountains.

Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off the mark to 
begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an imprecise source. They 
usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when I find them, I'll drag 
them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk it in the middle of the most 
obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or near the most obvious confluence 
of roads. Then when someone with more local knowledge finds it, they drag it 
closer to the City Hall ... and when the City Hall is actually on the map, then 
it's truly accurate. 

This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be what OSM is 
all about really. 

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[talk-ph] Copied from Google Mapmaker?

2010-04-06 Thread Marloue Pidor
Hi guys I stumbled to this area and...

Compare:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=7.08823lon=125.49418zoom=15layers=B
000FTF
http://www.google.com/mapmaker?ll=7.090033,125.495968spn=0.02057,0.0378
51z=15

I corrected the roads earlier but later I realized that there is no
satellite image in the area and I found out that the user who
contributed the data doesn't have any GPS traces.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/43622767/history
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/timominous/traces

I already contacted the user. I am waiting for his/her reply.


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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread maning sambale
And of course there will be exceptions.  Puerto Princesa City Hall is
several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
Some towns are also relocating town halls away from the poblacion in
order to add more buildings and decongest the center.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote:
 I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
 geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is. The
 city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area is.
 Usually, it's where the church or public market is.

 For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538mlon=120.982496738434zoom=14

 But I placed the Las Pinas place=city node in the poblacion area, where the
 plaza and the main church (home of the famous Bamboo Organ) is:
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4809997081757mlon=120.981595516205zoom=14


 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
  Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an hour
  from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.  That
  town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is currently
  located on the mountains.

 Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off the
 mark to begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an imprecise
 source. They usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when I find
 them, I'll drag them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk it in the
 middle of the most obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or near the
 most obvious confluence of roads. Then when someone with more local
 knowledge finds it, they drag it closer to the City Hall ... and when the
 City Hall is actually on the map, then it's truly accurate.

 This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be what
 OSM is all about really.

 Jim

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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread Marloue Pidor
On that note, Maguindanao's Municipal Hall is located somewhere in the
plains with only two large structures in sight the rest are
insignificant. That's the center of the municipality and almost nothing
around the area. I been there years before and still no significant
structures around the town center except two big houses.

murlwe


-Original Message- 
From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
Sent: 4/7/2010 6:52:03 AM
To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

And of course there will be exceptions. Puerto Princesa City Hall is
several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
Some towns are also relocating town halls away from the poblacion in
order to add more buildings and decongest the center.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
 geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is.
The
 city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area
is.
 Usually, it's where the church or public market is.

 For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538mlon=120.9824967384
34zoom=14

 But I placed the Las Pinas place=city node in the poblacion area,
where the
 plaza and the main church (home of the famous Bamboo Organ) is:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4809997081757mlon=120.9815955162
05zoom=14


 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 April, 2010 10:05 PM:
  Glad you agree guys!  Surprised to see so many +1s in barely an
hour
  from posting.  Okay then, I'll start with San Antonio in Zambales.
 That
  town node is currently so far away from town proper ... it is
currently
  located on the mountains.

 Seems like a lot of these town / village / city markers are way off
the
 mark to begin with. I guess they were imported en masse from an
imprecise
 source. They usually seem to be 1 or 2 km off the mark. Usually when
I find
 them, I'll drag them closer to a known settlement -- sort of plonk
it
in the
 middle of the most obvious mass of houses on a satellite view, or
near the
 most obvious confluence of roads. Then when someone with more local
 knowledge finds it, they drag it closer to the City Hall ... and
when the
 City Hall is actually on the map, then it's truly accurate.

 This process of gradually getting more and more precise seems to be
what
 OSM is all about really.

 Jim

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Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

2010-04-06 Thread maning sambale
Last year, Axel proposed an approach to make the place nodes more accurate:
http://www.mail-archive.com/talk-ph@openstreetmap.org/msg00360.html

snip
this is because GNS specifies towns and cities (Feature Designation Code
(DGS) == ADM2 (second-order administrative division)) with a low 1 to 2
digits after the comma precision only. which makes sense, as these
entities can be quite big.

there are also much exacter (3 to 5 digit precision) coordinates of all
these towns and cities in GNS, the ones with DGS == PPL, populated
place. for example, for maasin in southern leyte:

ADM2:   10.2, 124.85
PPL:10.133611, 124.844722

unfortunately, there is no easy way to relate the place with the exact
coordinates to the administrative division. which i guess is why the
import used the low precision coordinates and we got towns in the
Philippine Sea and coastal towns on mountain ranges now.

there might be some way, though. i've been fiddling around with this for
some hours now and got some results that don't look too bad. my basic
idea: get the name and some other characteristics (province, jog) of
ADM2 and find the PPL entry with the same name and characteristics.

there are some problems with this approach: ADM2 and PPL must have the
same name (doesn't work for Ormoc City/Ormoc), sometimes there are
more than 1 PPL with the same name and characteristics as ADM2 (San
Miguel), sometimes the PPL coordinates are not of better precision, ...
nonetheless, with some tweaking, i got precise coordinates for 1271
towns and cities, or 78% of the 136 cities, 1,495 municipalities [1]
of the philippines.

for a visual comparision of the old import and my results, i uploaded 2
josm screenshots of leyte with landsat background [2]. first with the
old towns and cities, then with the better precision. note how the
coastal towns align nicely with the coastline in the second image.

comments? any interest in redoing the import like this?

ax

p.s. does anyone know of a way to automatically find all towns and
cities that have been edited / relocated after the initial import? these
  towns wouldn't have to be reimported.

[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_and_municipalities_in_the_Philippines
[2] http://picasaweb.google.com/axkosm/gns

/snip

He is referring to a wikipedia's Cities and municipalities entries
which has a lon/lat coordinates.  I've checked on some of them and
indeed it seems to be more accurate:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/index.html?mlat=17.6mlon=120.613889zoom=12layers=B000FTF

However, many of these coordinates were extracted from Google Maps
(there goes the debate again).  In addition, even if we are allowed to
use this data, it maybe even more harmful to re-import 136 cities and
1,495 municipalities again because many have been manually moved
already.

Re-visiting his message and looking at his screenshots:
http://picasaweb.google.com/axkosm/gns#5294006509150710466

Another way for those interested to do wholesale adjustment of place
nodes is to use Landsat image (in JOSM or Merkaartor).  Concentration
of settlements which is an indicator of the town's poblacion are seen
as gray-purpleish color.  You can adjust the nodes within that area.

For long distance travellers, you can also note the KM markers along
highways.  KM 0 is usually the town center.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote:
 On that note, Maguindanao's Municipal Hall is located somewhere in the
 plains with only two large structures in sight the rest are insignificant.
 That's the center of the municipality and almost nothing around the area. I
 been there years before and still no significant structures around the town
 center except two big houses.

 murlwe


 -Original Message-
From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com]
Sent: 4/7/2010 6:52:03 AM
To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Node position for towns

And of course there will be exceptions. Puerto Princesa City Hall is
several kilometers away from the traditional city center/poblacion.
Some towns are also relocating town halls away from the poblacion in
order to add more buildings and decongest the center.


On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I suggest to place the node in the town/city proper, which is not the
 geographical center and not always where the city or town hall is. The
 city/town proper is basically where the town plaza or poblacion area is.
 Usually, it's where the church or public market is.

 For example, the Las Pinas city hall is here:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4496929645538mlon=120.982496738434zoom=14

 But I placed the Las Pinas place=city node in the poblacion area, where
 the
 plaza and the main church (home of the famous Bamboo Organ) is:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=14.4809997081757mlon=120.981595516205zoom=14


 On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote:

 Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 06 

Re: [talk-ph] u-turn slots

2010-04-06 Thread maning sambale
To add a new way:
1. Click the way you want to edit (i.e Quezon Ave.)
2. Shift-Click to add a point.
3. Double-click the point to add a new way then connect to the other
Quezon ave way.
4. Add proper tags.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:36 AM, tutubi
tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 hi maning,

 I'm trying to learn how to add u-turn slots in Potlatch but I just
 keep on dragging the ways. i want to add a few on Quezon avenue around
 araneta. I will also add turn restrictions there as the junction is
 just pass-through and use of u-turn slots required. same is true for
 Mindanao Avenue and Congressional, all in QC

 another one that needs a turn restriction is the no left turn from
 Pioneer street to Madison st in Mandaluyong

I don't know how to add turn restriction relations in Potlatch.


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2010-04-06 Thread maning sambale
http://osm.org/go/4zhSvy1pW-

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Re: [talk-ph] u-turn slots

2010-04-06 Thread ianlopez
(optional)name=U-Turn
highway=*_link (since Quezon Avenue is a primary road, primary_link)
maxspeed=40
lanes=(1 or 2)
don't forget the corresponding oneway direction

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--- On Wed, 4/7/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:

From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] u-turn slots
To: tutubi tut...@backpackingphilippines.com, osm-ph 
talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 10:50 AM

To add a new way:
1. Click the way you want to edit (i.e Quezon Ave.)
2. Shift-Click to add a point.
3. Double-click the point to add a new way then connect to the other
Quezon ave way.
4. Add proper tags.

On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 10:36 AM, tutubi
tut...@backpackingphilippines.com wrote:
 hi maning,

 I'm trying to learn how to add u-turn slots in Potlatch but I just
 keep on dragging the ways. i want to add a few on Quezon avenue around
 araneta. I will also add turn restrictions there as the junction is
 just pass-through and use of u-turn slots required. same is true for
 Mindanao Avenue and Congressional, all in QC

 another one that needs a turn restriction is the no left turn from
 Pioneer street to Madison st in Mandaluyong

I don't know how to add turn restriction relations in Potlatch.


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