Re: [Talk-se] highway=trunk in Sweden

[Andreas Vilén]

There are also roads tagged trunk that are a part of the "nationell
stamväg" net of roads, also E routes, but are parts of an industrial area,
like here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=16/55.4260/13.8408

They look like this in reality and no one would bat an eye if someone were
to cross it by foot or walk along it:
https://www.google.com/maps/@55.4243702,13.8389689,3a,60y,14.34h,89.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgEhi2esNODU_RzEPqSTukA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

Not sure it should be tagged as trunk though...

/Andreas

On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 6:30 PM Brian M. Sperlongano 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I apologize for this message being in English, and I hope people are able
> to read/translate it.
>
> I operate a site that tracks completeness for runners/joggers attempting
> to run every every street in their city.  As part of this site, I exclude
> roads that pedestrians cannot access.  For example, roads tagged
> highway=motorway, access=private, foot=no, etc, are excluded.
>
> One of my users in Sweden came up with an example [1,2] of a road tagged
> highway=trunk that should be excluded from pedestrian access.  However, in
> many parts of the world (such as rural parts of the USA), highway=trunk
> roads are accessible to pedestrians (see USA example[3]).  I started a
> thread on the main tagging list[4] but I would like to understand this
> better from a Swedish perspective.
>
> Is it true that all highway=trunk roads in Sweden are NOT accessible to
> pedestrians?  If that is not true, how should I tell the difference?  Would
> a pedestrian be allowed to walk/run along the shoulder of a highway=trunk
> in more rural areas but not urban areas?
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
> Brian Sperlongano
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>
> [1] https://streetferret.boardhost.com/viewtopic.php?id=78
> [2] https://goo.gl/maps/HLrQxu5Dh83aCxsL9
> [3]
> https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=41.476725088471085=-71.46051362163524=17=HvSsAR0kHaiH4ILu-FCgZA=photo
> [4]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2021-January/058857.html
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Re: [Talk-se] highway=trunk in Sweden

[Johan]

Hi Brian,

På motorväg och motortrafikled är gångtrafik förbjuden. (9 kap 1 § 
trafikförordningen)
From: 
.


Motorvägar och motortrafikleder är alltid fria från korsningar i samma plan.
From: 


Basically, you cant walk on roads that have no flat intersections (only 
on/offramps), unless otherwise specified by signs.

Im quite (very) sure you may not walk on the road in your example.


However, I am no expert, its just what I read on the NTF site, so if anyone is 
more well versed in these rules, feel free to weigh in.

I dont know what the agreed upon tagging is for Sweden, but from a routing 
engine perspective a foot=no should be implicit for motorroad=yes or 
highway=motorway, assuming the country in question has that rule.


Johan / 


On 23 January 2021 at 23:12:57 +01:00, Brian M. Sperlongano 
 wrote:

> Given this, can you comment specifically on an example? OSM way and photo 
> below:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Should that way get tagged with any of the following:
> 
> 1) foot = no
> 2) motorroad = yes
> 3) sidewalk = no + shoulder = no
> 
> ?
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 3:10 PM Ture Pålsson via Talk-se 
> <> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > 23 jan. 2021 kl. 20:48 skrev Ture Pålsson <>:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > If the wiki is to be believed, highway=trunk is used for roads declared 
> > > by the government to be ”nationell stamväg”, which translates literally 
> > > to ”national trunk road”, except the bits of those that are 
> > > highway=motorway. This, by itself, says nothing about the accessibility 
> > > for pedestrians. As far as I can tell, one must look for explicit foot=* 
> > > or motorroad=* tags to determine pedestrian rights.
> > > 
> > I should add for clarity that walking is allowed everywhere (on public 
> > roads) except where explicitly forbidden, which it is on motorways, 
> > motorroads (E1/E3 here: 
> > ),
> >  and roads with the ”no pedestrians” sign (C15 here: 
> > ).
> > 
> > (And when you leave the public roads, walking is still allowed almost 
> > everywhere, but then you’re probably not on a highway=trunk anymore! :-) )
> > 
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Re: [Talk-se] highway=trunk in Sweden

[Brian M. Sperlongano]

Given this, can you comment specifically on an example?  OSM way and photo
below:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/199230893
https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo=WgHheFQe7tkY-5yEbWchbA=57.6457275332997=11.96102332764884=17

Should that way get tagged with any of the following:

1) foot = no
2) motorroad = yes
3) sidewalk = no + shoulder = no

?


On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 3:10 PM Ture Pålsson via Talk-se <
talk-se@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

>
>
> 23 jan. 2021 kl. 20:48 skrev Ture Pålsson :
>
> If the wiki is to be believed, highway=trunk is used for roads declared by
> the government to be ”nationell stamväg”, which translates literally to
> ”national trunk road”, except the bits of those that are highway=motorway.
> This, by itself, says nothing about the accessibility for pedestrians. As
> far as I can tell, one must look for explicit foot=* or motorroad=* tags to
> determine pedestrian rights.
>
>
> I should add for clarity that walking is allowed everywhere (on public
> roads) except where explicitly forbidden, which it is on motorways,
> motorroads (E1/E3 here:
> https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/vagtrafik/Vagmarken/Anvisningsmarken/),
> and roads with the ”no pedestrians” sign (C15 here:
> https://www.transportstyrelsen.se/sv/vagtrafik/Vagmarken/Forbudsmarken/).
>
> (And when you leave the public roads, walking is still allowed almost
> everywhere, but then you’re probably not on a highway=trunk anymore! :-) )
>
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