[Talk-transit] Naptan import
I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area, for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these are (I'll search after sending this)? In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast, inland, then back to the coast, so the segment that closes the area cuts right through the middle of town. Should I adjust this segment to follow the coastline? Clacton: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387713 Similarly for Harwich, the northeast segment seems to almost cross the tip of the peninsula, and in so doing cuts off most of Harwich to mainly only include Dovercourt. Should I amend that segment to include Harwich? Harwich: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387691 Thanks Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
Thanks Roger, If they're PlusBus zones, then Clacton railway station lies outside the Clacton zone as it currently stands, and while Harwich International (formerly Harwich Parkeston Quay) is probably a boundary point for the Harwich zone (though the railway station as marked in OSM seems to be slightly further north, so it may be the bus stop at the front of the station), Harwich Town (and Dovercourt) stations are outside the Harwich zone. A quick web search suggests the Harwich zone should look a bit like http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/pics/plusbus_maps/HAR WICH.gif and the Clacton one http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/managed/promotions/prd64ecf0a0a0024005 ffb18c459bd0e/ticketValidityConditions/PLUSBUS%20zone%20map%20for%20 Clacton-on-Sea.pdf ( or shortened: http://is.gd/26fwi ) Ed -Original Message- From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Roger Slevin Sent: 07 August 2009 09:20 To: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics' Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import Ed Useful feedback which I will take up with PlusBus - as they should have listed coastal boundary stops to avoid this situation. Best wishes Roger -Original Message- From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Loach Sent: 07 August 2009 08:59 To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-transit] Naptan import I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area, for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these are (I'll search after sending this)? In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast, inland, then back to the coast, so the segment that closes the area cuts right through the middle of town. Should I adjust this segment to follow the coastline? Clacton: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387713 Similarly for Harwich, the northeast segment seems to almost cross the tip of the peninsula, and in so doing cuts off most of Harwich to mainly only include Dovercourt. Should I amend that segment to include Harwich? Harwich: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387691 Thanks Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
On 7 Aug 2009, at 10:08, Ed Loach wrote: Thanks Roger, If they're PlusBus zones, then Clacton railway station lies outside the Clacton zone as it currently stands, and while Harwich International (formerly Harwich Parkeston Quay) is probably a boundary point for the Harwich zone (though the railway station as marked in OSM seems to be slightly further north, so it may be the bus stop at the front of the station), Harwich Town (and Dovercourt) stations are outside the Harwich zone. A quick web search suggests the Harwich zone should look a bit like http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/system/galleries/pics/plusbus_maps/HAR WICH.gif and the Clacton one http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/managed/promotions/prd64ecf0a0a0024005 ffb18c459bd0e/ticketValidityConditions/PLUSBUS%20zone%20map%20for%20 Clacton-on-Sea.pdf ( or shortened: http://is.gd/26fwi ) Would it be sensible to create a PlusBus page on the wiki, and link to it from the NaPTAN user in relation to the upload? The Wiki page can describe what the features are about and can also be used to list issues that need to be resolved. I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else will do that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit related wiki pages on when I have time). Regards, Peter Ed -Original Message- From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Roger Slevin Sent: 07 August 2009 09:20 To: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics' Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import Ed Useful feedback which I will take up with PlusBus - as they should have listed coastal boundary stops to avoid this situation. Best wishes Roger -Original Message- From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Loach Sent: 07 August 2009 08:59 To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-transit] Naptan import I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area, for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these are (I'll search after sending this)? In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast, inland, then back to the coast, so the segment that closes the area cuts right through the middle of town. Should I adjust this segment to follow the coastline? Clacton: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387713 Similarly for Harwich, the northeast segment seems to almost cross the tip of the peninsula, and in so doing cuts off most of Harwich to mainly only include Dovercourt. Should I amend that segment to include Harwich? Harwich: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387691 Thanks Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else will do that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit related wiki pages on when I have time). I might do a page Tag:public_transport=pay_scale_area and divert PlusBus to that? Google reveals these areas were discussed on this list while I was on holiday at the end of July (and not receiving any osm lists emails), so I guess the issues I've mentioned today are related to the areas not being closed in the source data and that in the source data they have been assumed to follow the coastline in these areas rather than a straight line between the first and last points. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import
Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: Would it be sensible to create a PlusBus page on the wiki, and link to it from the NaPTAN user in relation to the upload? The Wiki page can describe what the features are about and can also be used to list issues that need to be resolved. I am not offering to create the page so hopefully someone else will do that. (I am doing work on cleaning up other existing transit related wiki pages on when I have time). I am intending to create a page describing the NPTG/Plusbus Zone import. I just did not get round to do it yet. Christoph Regards, Peter Ed -Original Message- From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk- transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Roger Slevin Sent: 07 August 2009 09:20 To: 'Public transport/transit/shared taxi related topics' Subject: Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import Ed Useful feedback which I will take up with PlusBus - as they should have listed coastal boundary stops to avoid this situation. Best wishes Roger -Original Message- From: talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-transit-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On Behalf Of Ed Loach Sent: 07 August 2009 08:59 To: talk-transit@openstreetmap.org Subject: [Talk-transit] Naptan import I see some areas have been imported near here, public_transport=pay_scale_area, for Harwich and Clacton. Is there a wiki page somewhere detailing what these are (I'll search after sending this)? In the case of Clacton, it looks like it was defined as a line from the coast, inland, then back to the coast, so the segment that closes the area cuts right through the middle of town. Should I adjust this segment to follow the coastline? Clacton: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387713 Similarly for Harwich, the northeast segment seems to almost cross the tip of the peninsula, and in so doing cuts off most of Harwich to mainly only include Dovercourt. Should I amend that segment to include Harwich? Harwich: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/38387691 Thanks Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Is 'Transit' and 'Public Transport' the same thing?
Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: Which leads to a question of terminology... Is 'transit' a synonym for 'public transport'? or not. If not then what is the difference? As a non-native speaker of english I find it easier to guess what 'public transport' means compared to 'transit'. In german 'transit' usually means passing through something (e.g. when going from the UK to Germany you transit Belgium and the Netherlands). Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Is 'Transit' and 'Public Transport' the samething?
On 7 Aug 2009, at 17:07, Christoph Böhme wrote: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: Which leads to a question of terminology... Is 'transit' a synonym for 'public transport'? or not. If not then what is the difference? As a non-native speaker of english I find it easier to guess what 'public transport' means compared to 'transit'. In german 'transit' usually means passing through something (e.g. when going from the UK to Germany you transit Belgium and the Netherlands). That's a deal then. Actually we had already gone ahead and done most of the changes so I am glad you agreed with us! Regards, Peter Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
