[Talk-transit] Bus stops not in naptan
Was there an agreement reached on how to tag bus stops that aren't in naptan? I verified 2 last night when out walking that I could see on the Mapnik layer only to find when I got back that they were two that I added in the dim and distant past (last December), so I'd verified my own additions. It's probable that no buses use that route at present, though I may be wrong. Holland Road, Little Clacton. Nodes 317709575 and 317709576 I'm guessing perhaps physically_present=yes? Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops not in naptan
2009/9/18 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Was there an agreement reached on how to tag bus stops that aren't in naptan? I verified 2 last night when out walking that I could see on the Mapnik layer only to find when I got back that they were two that I added in the dim and distant past (last December), so I'd verified my own additions. It's probable that no buses use that route at present, though I may be wrong. Holland Road, Little Clacton. Nodes 317709575 and 317709576 I'm guessing perhaps physically_present=yes? Ed I suspect we may find quite a few of these. Round us in Kent, we have Commuter Coaches that have there own stops that are nothing to do with the Local Bus company(s) so I doubt they are in Naplan but they do have regular buses. I don't think Medway has been imported yet so I can't say. (Note to self must add Medway to list) Peter ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus stops not in naptan
Just tag is per the normal OSM methods. physically_present=yes means nothing on a non-naptan stop, since its assumed to exist by merely being in the database. 2009/9/18 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Was there an agreement reached on how to tag bus stops that aren't in naptan? I verified 2 last night when out walking that I could see on the Mapnik layer only to find when I got back that they were two that I added in the dim and distant past (last December), so I'd verified my own additions. It's probable that no buses use that route at present, though I may be wrong. Holland Road, Little Clacton. Nodes 317709575 and 317709576 I'm guessing perhaps physically_present=yes? Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
On 18 Sep 2009, at 15:13, Frankie Roberto wrote: Then, make a node on each track to represent where the trains stop. There can be more than one of these if there are a few stopping points (eg platform 1a, 1b). Tag this railway=stop. All of these stopping points, plus the platforms, plus the station building, should then all belong to the station's relation (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/205097 ) - ideally add role=stop to the stop nodes. I'd have a way for each part of the platform. Trains are long things that need more than a point to determine this sort of thing in my opinion. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
2009/9/18 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: 2009/9/18 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org Its very difficult as London Bridge is based on about 6 layers with random escalators, lifts and ramps connecting it up. I'm thinking the building should only cover parts with a roof on and hence really needs cutting up. Yeah, agree. Is there a marker I can put up to say where the trains actually stop and that you need to move down the platform. Ideally, there should a way per railway track, and a way per platform (you can map platforms as areas, but it seems to work better as linear ways). If there's a way that represents more than one track (eg two tracks running between island platforms, add tracks=2). Then, make a node on each track to represent where the trains stop. There can be more than one of these if there are a few stopping points (eg platform 1a, 1b). Tag this railway=stop. All of these stopping points, plus the platforms, plus the station building, should then all belong to the station's relation (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/205097) - ideally add role=stop to the stop nodes. Ok I spouse I need stop markers for different number of carriages. What about the back of the train? Also I guess we are going to need a tag to say The last set of doors will not open as the platform is not long enough. Maybe we should have door marks, ie Rather than say the train stops here say where the doors should be; I've seen these marked on the platform in some parts of the world and parts of the Tube have automatic doors fixed to the platform! Peter. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
I've been pondering micro-mapping the carstop signs to mark where the front of the train stops. Indeed, I tried to collect this info for Wimbledon, but the GPS there was too poor also. 2009/9/18 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: 2009/9/18 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: 2009/9/18 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org Its very difficult as London Bridge is based on about 6 layers with random escalators, lifts and ramps connecting it up. I'm thinking the building should only cover parts with a roof on and hence really needs cutting up. Yeah, agree. Is there a marker I can put up to say where the trains actually stop and that you need to move down the platform. Ideally, there should a way per railway track, and a way per platform (you can map platforms as areas, but it seems to work better as linear ways). If there's a way that represents more than one track (eg two tracks running between island platforms, add tracks=2). Then, make a node on each track to represent where the trains stop. There can be more than one of these if there are a few stopping points (eg platform 1a, 1b). Tag this railway=stop. All of these stopping points, plus the platforms, plus the station building, should then all belong to the station's relation (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/205097) - ideally add role=stop to the stop nodes. Ok I spouse I need stop markers for different number of carriages. What about the back of the train? Also I guess we are going to need a tag to say The last set of doors will not open as the platform is not long enough. Maybe we should have door marks, ie Rather than say the train stops here say where the doors should be; I've seen these marked on the platform in some parts of the world and parts of the Tube have automatic doors fixed to the platform! Peter. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
Maybe we should have door marks, ie Rather than say the train stops here say where the doors should be; I've seen these marked on the platform in some parts of the world and parts of the Tube have automatic doors fixed to the platform! The in-tube parts of the Jubilee line extension, I doubt we're going to map those soon - the tunnels just make it too difficult. -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
2009/9/18 Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk: Peter asked: Anyone got a Zoom Layer beyond level 19 so I can see what I'm doing and pace the station out.. JOSM. I think you can just keep zooming in. It also displays the length (and bearing) of the current way you're adding. Useful in some situations. Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit Hmm I'll find my theodolite, trundle wheel, and compass and go map the tube. Peter. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
On 18 Sep 2009, at 15:40, Thomas Wood wrote: I've been pondering micro-mapping the carstop signs to mark where the front of the train stops. Indeed, I tried to collect this info for Wimbledon, but the GPS there was too poor also. Sounds good. How about the following:- A railway=stop node for the point on the track where the front of the train should stop. Using railway=platform (linear way) for each platform (parallel to the track) Then a platform=boarding_point node for each car-stop sign on the platform way with the carriage number - possibly multiple ones per platform We then have enough information for people to play trains! If the station has multiple levels then each element should have a layer tag and we will need to consider how one manages a single level (concourse) where one side has a level entrance to the outside world layer=0? and the other side is up a load of steps to the concourse and could be considered layer=1 I guess we just choose a set of layers we will use and then join them to the outside world with a 'footway' or with 'steps' For a lift we use a node with multiple layer numbers highway=lift? layer=0,1,2? I have been trying to capture most of this on the Stop Area proposal - not so much a proposal as a description of good practice:- http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Stop_Area Regards, Peter 2009/9/18 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org: 2009/9/18 Frankie Roberto fran...@frankieroberto.com: 2009/9/18 Peter Childs pchi...@bcs.org Its very difficult as London Bridge is based on about 6 layers with random escalators, lifts and ramps connecting it up. I'm thinking the building should only cover parts with a roof on and hence really needs cutting up. Yeah, agree. Is there a marker I can put up to say where the trains actually stop and that you need to move down the platform. Ideally, there should a way per railway track, and a way per platform (you can map platforms as areas, but it seems to work better as linear ways). If there's a way that represents more than one track (eg two tracks running between island platforms, add tracks=2). Then, make a node on each track to represent where the trains stop. There can be more than one of these if there are a few stopping points (eg platform 1a, 1b). Tag this railway=stop. All of these stopping points, plus the platforms, plus the station building, should then all belong to the station's relation (http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/205097) - ideally add role=stop to the stop nodes. Ok I spouse I need stop markers for different number of carriages. What about the back of the train? Also I guess we are going to need a tag to say The last set of doors will not open as the platform is not long enough. Maybe we should have door marks, ie Rather than say the train stops here say where the doors should be; I've seen these marked on the platform in some parts of the world and parts of the Tube have automatic doors fixed to the platform! Peter. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] London Bridge
On 18 Sep 2009, at 17:42, Peter Miller wrote: We then have enough information for people to play trains! If the station has multiple levels then each element should have a layer tag and we will need to consider how one manages a single level (concourse) where one side has a level entrance to the outside world layer=0? and the other side is up a load of steps to the concourse and could be considered layer=1 I guess we just choose a set of layers we will use and then join them to the outside world with a 'footway' or with 'steps' For a lift we use a node with multiple layer numbers highway=lift? layer=0,1,2? You need a way with 2..n nodes (one for each layer) which are almost on top of each other. This will mean that the lift will be routable. Shaun smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
