[Talk-transit] Should I split roads to create bus routes?
In order to create a bus route relation, I would have to split roads into many small segments with identical tags. This causes Andy Allan's transport render to repeat route labels more than necessary as a side effect. Should I split the road segments or use some other method for creating bus route relations? ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Should I split roads to create bus routes?
In order to create a bus route relation, I would have to split roads into many small segments with identical tags. This causes Andy Allan's transport render to repeat route labels more than necessary as a side effect. Should I split the road segments or use some other method for creating bus route relations? Don't map for renderer, map reality. You should split the road into segments if your route require that split. Good renderer can combine segments with same information before rendering. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
What about a three-level service scheme for buses: Service=local (transit system bus lines) Service=commuter (express commuter buses to the suburbs) Service=intercity (like the American Greyhound bus routes) There might be grey areas but it should be fairly easy to fit most routes in one of these three categories. Bill R. WASHBURN On May 26, 2014 11:03 AM, Teemu Ikonen tpiko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Thanks to all for the replies on coach route mapping. I don't agree that this is purely a rendering problem. The information needed to distinguish urban bus transit from long distance coach services simply does not exist in the database at the moment and there is no consistent way of tagging routes so that this distinction could be made. Looking at the active public transport proposal again, the network tag of route=bus/train/subway/tram could be part of a solution, but it seems that the usage is not really consistent everywhere. For example, in Helsinki the bus routes have network=Helsinki, subway has network='Helsingin metro' and so on, even though both can be used with the same ticket. This could be a local problem though. I still think that long distance services which are not part of an urban transit network should be distinguished somehow, so I like the idea of using service=express for coaches. This could mostly do what I was proposing, if it would be widely used and the rendered correctly. Currently this tag seems to be used only around Oxford and ignored by tile rendering style sheets. The rendering of coach routes should be de-emphasized in high zoom levels, i.e. they should be overdrawn by local transit bus lines, but on the other hand they should be also drawn in low zoom levels, like long distance train routes in Öpnvkarte are. Best, Teemu ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
While you could call all intercity buses express buses. Not all express buses are intercity buses. A common scheme around here is for rush hour express lines that stop at all stops in the suburbs/villages, then skip most/all stops in the city proper and end at the central (bus)station. The original Oxomoa scheme already contained a solution to your problem[1]. It simply is not widely used yet. See taginfo[2]: bus=long_distance (70 uses currently in the database) bus=interurban (59 uses currently in the database) It would be handy to standardize on one of those two. [1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Oxomoa/%C3%96PNV-Schema#Bus-_und_Oberleitungsbuslinien [2]http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/bus#values On 05/26/2014 05:02 PM, Teemu Ikonen wrote: Hi, Thanks to all for the replies on coach route mapping. I don't agree that this is purely a rendering problem. The information needed to distinguish urban bus transit from long distance coach services simply does not exist in the database at the moment and there is no consistent way of tagging routes so that this distinction could be made. Looking at the active public transport proposal again, the network tag of route=bus/train/subway/tram could be part of a solution, but it seems that the usage is not really consistent everywhere. For example, in Helsinki the bus routes have network=Helsinki, subway has network='Helsingin metro' and so on, even though both can be used with the same ticket. This could be a local problem though. I still think that long distance services which are not part of an urban transit network should be distinguished somehow, so I like the idea of using service=express for coaches. This could mostly do what I was proposing, if it would be widely used and the rendered correctly. Currently this tag seems to be used only around Oxford and ignored by tile rendering style sheets. The rendering of coach routes should be de-emphasized in high zoom levels, i.e. they should be overdrawn by local transit bus lines, but on the other hand they should be also drawn in low zoom levels, like long distance train routes in Öpnvkarte are. Best, Teemu ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping intercity bus routes
I just realized that for people living in a bigger country there might actually be a difference between those two. There is however no reason they could not be rendered the same (at least initially). On 05/26/2014 05:46 PM, Cartinus wrote: bus=long_distance (70 uses currently in the database) bus=interurban (59 uses currently in the database) It would be handy to standardize on one of those two. --- m.v.g., Cartinus ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
