Re: [Talk-transit] Conversation on this list (was: Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport)
Top tip: Tell people how you are feeling, not what you think of them. If you tell someone they are a then their reaction will be hostile; if you tell someone that you're finding the proposal a bit too complicated to understand / fit in with existing practice, then they're a bit more likely to respond constructively. If they don't respond constructively, repeat how it makes you feel - eventually they will get the message. Richard ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Conversation on this list (was: Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport)
On 14 December 2010 22:56, Dominik Mahrer (Teddy) te...@teddy.ch wrote: Today morning I got this off the list: On 12/14/2010 07:56 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: I already told you twice to behave, you little shit. If it continues, I will have you removed from the list. Perhaps I did not find the best words. Please excuse me. That's what I wanted to hear. English is not my first language. Poor excuse, for neither is mine. [...] because others have a different meaning, It was about repetitive rude behaviour, not a different meaning. Shall I elaborate? I don't know if I want/need to be on this list... That's solely your decision. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Conversation on this list (was: Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport)
On 12/14/2010 07:56 AM, Michał Borsuk wrote: I already told you twice to behave, you little shit. If it continues, I will have you removed from the list. That type of language and attitude is completely inappropriate. If someone needs to be removed from the list there a much better ways of handling it. --Greg ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Conversation on this list (was: Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport)
On 15 December 2010 02:33, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: Maybe Im a little new to this list, but this language and attitude hardly seem hardly appropriate, and English *IS* my first language. I would like to think that public lists are available for discussion and debates, not personal inflammatory insults. You only have failed to notice a certain manipulation by Dominik. What he posted here was my private communication with him. I was simply annoyed by his repeated offensive behaviour. Sorry, but what is between me and him personally is not your business. And I do have a right to feel offended, and to react. Michael, if you really dont like reading something twice, youre more than welcome to leave this list yourself. Again, my comments were in a private email to Dominik Mahrer. For such a detailed proposal, which such big potential changes, I feel (although it appears to be at odds with your opinion) that the more discussion can only improve the clarity of the situation. Surely personal accusations from one member towards the others do not help to maintain a clear discussion. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Conversation on this list (was: Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport)
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 07:10 +0100, Michał Borsuk wrote: You only have failed to notice a certain manipulation by Dominik. What he posted here was my private communication with him. I was simply annoyed by his repeated offensive behaviour. Sorry, but what is between me and him personally is not your business. Maybe you sent more to him, but the only part that was posted here were 2 sentences, one of you using profane language and another threatening to have him banned from the list, because he didn't 'behave' like you told him to. If you have such power to be telling mailing list users what to do, then exercise that power and remove him, or live with the fact that some people will disagree and sometimes things may be discussed more than once on a mailing list. And I do have a right to feel offended, and to react. Sure, everyone has that right. A quick read through the previous weeks emails on this topic though, shows no reason why anyone should feel offended. The closest Ive found, was you suggesting that someone was making accusations about mappers, which was answered politely and correctly. Surely personal accusations from one member towards the others do not help to maintain a clear discussion. Lets just be clear, this was the flow of conversation: My understanding for those they have put hundreds of tags on/beside the way. They do not want to move them (in which direction ever). Do you have any other personal accusations towards other mappers? This is not an accusation, this is the only plausible reason I heard until now for not changing the old schema. I'm failing to see any accusation there, and most definitely not a 'personal accusation', given the use of the word 'they'. David ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Conversation on this list (was: Proposed Feature - RFC - Public Transport)
On 15 December 2010 07:37, David Murn da...@incanberra.com.au wrote: On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 07:10 +0100, Michał Borsuk wrote: Sorry, but what is between me and him personally is not your business. Maybe you sent more to him, but the only part that was posted here were 2 sentences, one of you using profane language and another threatening to have him banned from the list, because he didn't 'behave' like you told him to. I apologize for the form. Sorry, it was too much. But I stand by the meaning. Throwing accusations and personal insults towards others is really lame. -- Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, Pozdrowienia, Michał Borsuk ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
