Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Böhme wrote: And another update of NOVAM: - Internet Explorer 8 should now work (make sure it is not in compatibility mode). It is quite slow though compared to the other browsers. I'll try this out later. - The naptan:Bearing tag is used to show an arrow on the bus stop icons indicating the direction of busses stopping at a stop. Nice :-) - Added a stylesheet for printing. It should work in Firefox. Opera and IE do not display the vector overlay on the printout :( Prints a blank page on FF 3.0.15 (actually only prints page headers). - Added Edit in JOSM link. This requires the JOSM remote control plugin to work. S'good. - The current node will be automatically selected when opening Potlatch (thanks Shaun). Also, there will be a warning if the Potlatch window is already open. - The current colour scheme is now included in the permalink. Useful - Cookies now expire after 60 days instead of at the end of the session. - The Birmingham scheme is now longer displaying stops as completed despite them still having naptan:unverified=yes. - shelter=no is no longer a required tag in the Peter Miller scheme. Cheers, Christoph Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net schrieb: Nice improvements, especially like the bearing arrows. cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
On 1 Nov 2009, at 17:58, Chris Hill wrote: Christoph Böhme wrote: And another update of NOVAM: - Internet Explorer 8 should now work (make sure it is not in compatibility mode). It is quite slow though compared to the other browsers. I'll try this out later. - The naptan:Bearing tag is used to show an arrow on the bus stop icons indicating the direction of busses stopping at a stop. Nice :-) Yeah, I think TFL need to learn the 8 point compass, as it would make around me look a lot better. http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=16lat=51.40715lon=-0.06089layers=BT Most of the roads there seem to chop and change between north/south and east/west instead of using ne/sw sw/se etc. which would be more appropriate in my opinion. - Added a stylesheet for printing. It should work in Firefox. Opera and IE do not display the vector overlay on the printout :( Prints a blank page on FF 3.0.15 (actually only prints page headers). Same on Safari Mac 4.0.3 Shaun - Added Edit in JOSM link. This requires the JOSM remote control plugin to work. S'good. - The current node will be automatically selected when opening Potlatch (thanks Shaun). Also, there will be a warning if the Potlatch window is already open. - The current colour scheme is now included in the permalink. Useful - Cookies now expire after 60 days instead of at the end of the session. - The Birmingham scheme is now longer displaying stops as completed despite them still having naptan:unverified=yes. - shelter=no is no longer a required tag in the Peter Miller scheme. Cheers, Christoph Christoph Böhme christ...@b3e.net schrieb: Nice improvements, especially like the bearing arrows. cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
On 1 Nov 2009, at 20:40, Chris Morley wrote: Christoph Böhme wrote: And another update of NOVAM: This seems to be useful tool and I like the addition of the bearing symbols. But the current ones are equilateral triangles and three-way ambiguous. The meaning can be worked out after a bit of thought, but the reason for having them is to get the information at a glance. Maybe an ordinary arrow? Yeah, I'd agree with this as there were quite a few arrows that I misinterpreted, or thought were strange until I took a second glance. Shaun Chris PS I don't expect language pedants to be reading this list. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk schrieb: On 1 Nov 2009, at 20:40, Chris Morley wrote: Christoph Böhme wrote: And another update of NOVAM: This seems to be useful tool and I like the addition of the bearing symbols. But the current ones are equilateral triangles and three-way ambiguous. The meaning can be worked out after a bit of thought, but the reason for having them is to get the information at a glance. Maybe an ordinary arrow? Yeah, I'd agree with this as there were quite a few arrows that I misinterpreted, or thought were strange until I took a second glance. I was excepting this request. My first thought when I looked at a map covered with bearings was: using triangles wasn't a good idea. But since I just had spent an hour creating these icons I decided to leave them for now (perhaps no one would ask for a change ...). I will create better ones soon. Cheers, Christoph Shaun Chris PS I don't expect language pedants to be reading this list. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Böhme wrote: Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk schrieb: On 1 Nov 2009, at 17:58, Chris Hill wrote: Christoph Böhme wrote: And another update of NOVAM: - Internet Explorer 8 should now work (make sure it is not in compatibility mode). It is quite slow though compared to the other browsers. I'll try this out later. - The naptan:Bearing tag is used to show an arrow on the bus stop icons indicating the direction of busses stopping at a stop. Nice :-) Yeah, I think TFL need to learn the 8 point compass, as it would make around me look a lot better. http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/?scheme=hullzoom=16lat=51.40715lon=-0.06089layers=BT Most of the roads there seem to chop and change between north/south and east/west instead of using ne/sw sw/se etc. which would be more appropriate in my opinion. - Added a stylesheet for printing. It should work in Firefox. Opera and IE do not display the vector overlay on the printout :( Prints a blank page on FF 3.0.15 (actually only prints page headers). Perhaps I should have said: it works on Firefox 3.5.2. Anyway, I changed the stylesheet and it works now on FF 3.0.11 for me. I reckon that it should work on 3.0.15 as well. I noticed that there was sometimes some displacement between bus stops and map. This goes away if you change from landscape to portrait format and back again. It printed fine in FF 3.1.15 now, thanks. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
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On 1 Nov 2009, at 22:09, Christoph Böhme wrote: Shaun McDonald sh...@shaunmcdonald.me.uk schrieb: Same on Safari Mac 4.0.3 I tried printing with Chrome (which uses Webkit too, I think). It did print the map, but always moved it to Scotland first. Perhaps Safari is less of a scottish browser and also prints other parts of the UK. Can you give it a try? I do not have a Mac. It now works in Safari as well as it does on the osm.org site whereby both site put an undetermined small amount of the map on to the second page. Shaun ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
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I've been meaning to take a look also, I know of most of the common OL+IE pitfalls. (trailing commas in class definitions is a nasty one usually) 2009/10/29 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: Sadly the NOVAM doesn't seem to load in IE yet. Yes, that really needs to be sorted out. It is just so much less interesting than adding new features. If you want to, you can give it a try. I can send you the source code. It is just javascript which should run locally without a webserver. The bus stops can simply be queried from the mappa-mercia server. At the moment IE8 is complaining about an error in OpenLayers when initialising NOVAM. This, stops it from working. Perhaps this can be fixed relatively easily. I'll gladly take a look, maybe my creaky JavaScript would benefit from a workout. If you send it to me or let me know the code to download I'll take a look. I do need to run it on an old machine, I've just zapped Vista so no IE on my usual laptop (blog http://chris-osm.blogspot.com/) Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
On 27 Oct 2009, at 22:58, Shaun McDonald wrote: Looking good, I'm thinking of adding timetable_case=yes/no/empty to the list of required fields. Good stuff - I have been through my local area with a cleanup pass of and it has helped find a number of issues. I will do other parts of the town next. Can I suggest that NOVAM needs its own wiki page and that the link from the product should go that that page. Could you add a 'edit this feature in Potlatch' option from the Stops information pane? I guess a link to JOSM may also be wanted by others. I do thing we should rationalise the different view option into a 'basic' and a number of 'advanced' options. The basic option could ignore if there are shelters and routes etc, the advanced options can take more of these into account and colour code things appropriately. Part of me wonders if you could encode the colours into the URL using a bit pattern for the tag entries, so... colours=#6 #00FF00, #7 #FF, #E #808000 would mean that if the appropriate two tags were present (#6=binary 000110) then the colour would be #00FF00 except if three tags (#7=binary 00111) were present and then the colour would be #FF etc. One can then encode the most common options into a pull- down list but is does allow people to play with other variations. Regards, Peter Shaun On 27 Oct 2009, at 22:21, Christoph Böhme wrote: I've updated Novam. It now supports multiple colour schemes and also highlights errors in the tagging of stops. At the moment three colour schemes are defined: 1. The original Birmingham one 2. Chris Hill's colour scheme for Hull (with slightly different colours though) 3. Peter Miller's colour scheme which should work for most of the UK (please tell me if you rather not have the colour scheme named after you) These colour schemes should work but they might need some fine tuning. Additional colour schemes can easily be added. If you are interested in writing one have a look at [1]. The file lacks documentation but it should be clear from the three existing schemes how schemes are defined. Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/scripts/Novam/Schemes.js Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net schrieb: Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
I forgot to say when I was asking about bus shelters how much I like the changes as they are. It works so much better in this area to let me see which I've verified, even if they aren't green (I'm tempted to just pull all the local bus stop nodes without the naptan:verified key, and without a shelter key into a JOSM selection and add shelter=no for now...) Ed ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net schrieb: Christoph Böhme wrote: I've updated Novam. It now supports multiple colour schemes and also highlights errors in the tagging of stops. At the moment three colour schemes are defined: 1. The original Birmingham one 2. Chris Hill's colour scheme for Hull (with slightly different colours though) 3. Peter Miller's colour scheme which should work for most of the UK (please tell me if you rather not have the colour scheme named after you) These colour schemes should work but they might need some fine tuning. Additional colour schemes can easily be added. If you are interested in writing one have a look at [1]. The file lacks documentation but it should be clear from the three existing schemes how schemes are defined. Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/scripts/Novam/Schemes.js Thanks Christoph, I like my eponymous scheme - it does just what I need it to do. Seeing the tags on a selected stop is particularly easy. I would like the colour of the purple and grey tags to be a bit more distinct. May I suggest that the stops with a note tag (currently purple) be changed to orange so they stand out? Grey and purple were indeed a bit similar. Orange looks much better. Cheers, Christoph Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
On 28 Oct 2009, at 22:49, Christoph Böhme wrote: Peter Miller peter.mil...@itoworld.com schrieb: On 27 Oct 2009, at 22:58, Shaun McDonald wrote: Looking good, I'm thinking of adding timetable_case=yes/no/empty to the list of required fields. Good stuff - I have been through my local area with a cleanup pass of and it has helped find a number of issues. I will do other parts of the town next. Can I suggest that NOVAM needs its own wiki page and that the link from the product should go that that page. Does anyone want to write something? I am quite busy with the development of NOVAM and would appreciate if someone else could set up a wiki page. Could you add a 'edit this feature in Potlatch' option from the Stops information pane? I guess a link to JOSM may also be wanted by others. I added a link to potlatch. It centers on the bus stop at the current zoom level. Please let me no if this works well when editing. I will add a link to JOSM as soon as I find out how to do this. In Potlatch you can link to the specific node by adding a node parameter to the url. For JOSM please read http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM/Plugins/RemoteControl I do thing we should rationalise the different view option into a 'basic' and a number of 'advanced' options. The basic option could ignore if there are shelters and routes etc, the advanced options can take more of these into account and colour code things appropriately. This is a very good idea. I was already fearing that the possibility of different colour schemes might led to each town having its own different scheme for tagging bus stops. Having some basic schemes and on top of this advanced schemes for special features (like shelters/timetables) can hopefully prevent this. Yeah, I'd much rather see all the bus stops surveyed to the same or similar spec. Shaun Part of me wonders if you could encode the colours into the URL using a bit pattern for the tag entries, so... colours=#6 #00FF00, #7 #FF, #E #808000 would mean that if the appropriate two tags were present (#6=binary 000110) then the colour would be #00FF00 except if three tags (#7=binary 00111) were present and then the colour would be #FF etc. One can then encode the most common options into a pull- down list but is does allow people to play with other variations. This could also be done with a list of checkboxes so that users do not need to fiddle around with the URL. However it would still be nice to be able to share such a scheme with other users. Cheers, Christoph Regards, Peter Shaun On 27 Oct 2009, at 22:21, Christoph Böhme wrote: I've updated Novam. It now supports multiple colour schemes and also highlights errors in the tagging of stops. At the moment three colour schemes are defined: 1. The original Birmingham one 2. Chris Hill's colour scheme for Hull (with slightly different colours though) 3. Peter Miller's colour scheme which should work for most of the UK (please tell me if you rather not have the colour scheme named after you) These colour schemes should work but they might need some fine tuning. Additional colour schemes can easily be added. If you are interested in writing one have a look at [1]. The file lacks documentation but it should be clear from the three existing schemes how schemes are defined. Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/scripts/Novam/Schemes.js Christoph Boehme christ...@b3e.net schrieb: Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net schrieb: Christoph Böhme wrote: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net schrieb: Christoph Böhme wrote: I've updated Novam. It now supports multiple colour schemes and also highlights errors in the tagging of stops. At the moment three colour schemes are defined: 1. The original Birmingham one 2. Chris Hill's colour scheme for Hull (with slightly different colours though) 3. Peter Miller's colour scheme which should work for most of the UK (please tell me if you rather not have the colour scheme named after you) These colour schemes should work but they might need some fine tuning. Additional colour schemes can easily be added. If you are interested in writing one have a look at [1]. The file lacks documentation but it should be clear from the three existing schemes how schemes are defined. Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/scripts/Novam/Schemes.js Thanks Christoph, I like my eponymous scheme - it does just what I need it to do. Seeing the tags on a selected stop is particularly easy. I would like the colour of the purple and grey tags to be a bit more distinct. May I suggest that the stops with a note tag (currently purple) be changed to orange so they stand out? Grey and purple were indeed a bit similar. Orange looks much better. Cheers, Christoph Errr, I think something has broken ... Upps, should work now. Forgot to test the latest changes in Firefox. Christoph The right hand panel is blank now and all the icons are grey. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Böhme wrote: I've updated Novam. It now supports multiple colour schemes and also highlights errors in the tagging of stops. At the moment three colour schemes are defined: 1. The original Birmingham one 2. Chris Hill's colour scheme for Hull (with slightly different colours though) 3. Peter Miller's colour scheme which should work for most of the UK (please tell me if you rather not have the colour scheme named after you) These colour schemes should work but they might need some fine tuning. Additional colour schemes can easily be added. If you are interested in writing one have a look at [1]. The file lacks documentation but it should be clear from the three existing schemes how schemes are defined. Christoph [1] http://mappa-mercia.org/novam/scripts/Novam/Schemes.js Thanks Christoph, I like my eponymous scheme - it does just what I need it to do. Seeing the tags on a selected stop is particularly easy. I would like the colour of the purple and grey tags to be a bit more distinct. May I suggest that the stops with a note tag (currently purple) be changed to orange so they stand out? Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Boehme wrote: Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph Thanks Christoph. How do I find what what tags are needed to be completely tagged? The page still won't print (produces a largely blank page from FF3) which is valuable for taking out to find stops yet to be checked. Cheers, Chris ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
[Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
On 22 Oct 2009, at 10:11, Christoph Boehme wrote: Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Thanks Christoph. Much clearer. I understand that when you update the colours you will show:- 1) Unverified naptan import nodes (ie with verified=no) 2) bus stops in OSM which don't have any NaPTAN fields (ie ones without a naptan:AtcoCode field). 3) stops that don't have all the expected fields (please remove routeref field from this test) 4) and of course... complete and happy stops which have everything required! Can I suggest that you place stops with issues on top of ones without issues on the browser, so that stops with problems are not obscured by nearby ones which are ok. When you have that in place I will I suppose have to go and complete the review of stops in my town! Thanks again, Peter Cheers, Christoph ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NOVAM is back
Christoph Boehme a écrit : Good Morning, this is just to let you know that NOVAM is working again. It can be found on http://mappa-mercia.org/novam . Please update any old links and booksmarks. Since I decided not to implement a merging functionality on the website I have removed most of the old user interface elements and made the NOVAM viewer the new interface. Please tell me if you miss any functionality from the old user interface. I will update the colour coding of the bus stops at the weekend. Cheers, Christoph Hi, There is no control of the map with the URL, and no permalink to check the URLs and add it to the mapJumper : http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:FrViPofm/mapJumper http://frvipofm.net/osm/mapjumper/?mode=hub Sorry, I wanted to translate the wiki page into English but English is not my native language... If somebody wants to try the translation. -- Vincent alias FrViPofm ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
