[Talk-transit] Naptan import stop tagging (was: Proposed changes to oxomoa schema [part 2: stops])

2010-06-29 Thread Claudius Henrichs
One question on the Naptan import: Did you use any tags from the 
public_transport therefore? Or are these all highway=bus_stop?
Would be a great chance to increase coverage of the more detailed 
public_transport=platform

Claudius

Am 29.06.2010 02:07, Shaun McDonald:
In the UK as part of the Naptan import we already have decided that 
bus stops must be marked exactly where they are on the ground and 
added to the route relation of the bus route.


Shaun

On 28 Jun 2010, at 19:07, Michał Borsuk wrote:


Hi everybody again:

This time I'd like to propose a smaller change, but this one may 
break compatibility with oxomoa - it has been, however, already 
commonly implemented.


*ISSUE RAISED:
* map bus stops to their physical location, not a point on the 
route/street

*
Present status: If I understand correctly, oxomoa suggests that the 
bus stop data (name, unique number, etc.) be entered as properties of 
a point on the route/street.


Problems :
* Lines often have stops that are quite far apart for each direction
* This prohibits proper routing (GPS + walking),
* this system is not very intuitive I find.

*Proposed change: bus stops to be mapped exactly to where they are, 
and to be added to relations *


Result:
* better routing results e.g. one wants to find a correct way to the 
bus stop, and not to the average point somewhere between two stops of 
the same name in either direction.

* more intuitive system - easier learning curve for new users.

Influence on possible future software solutions: minor. May require 
all the stops on the route to be ordered based on their geographical 
location, as opposed to their place on the route (the latter is easier).


Comments: I have seen this system very often implemented - two bus 
stops on each side, so my suggestion is just to codify the situation 
for future editors.


Hope this is not too much at once, for more is to follow.


Greetings,


--
Best regards, mit freundlichen Grüssen, meilleurs sentiments, 
Pozdrowienia,


Michał Borsuk
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Re: [Talk-transit] Naptan import stop tagging

2010-06-29 Thread Claudius Henrichs

I was referring to

public_transport=platform + bus=yes

public_transport=bus_stop would not work because there are stop 
positions where trams, buses and sometimes (Karlsruhe comes to my mind) 
even light_rails stop at the same position (Image: 
http://www.dvn-berlin.de/i/verein/2009_alex_bus_hpa.jpg ) and these 
would be tagged as


public_transport=platform + bus=yes + tram=yes (+ light_rail=yes)

Claudius

Am 29.06.2010 11:32, Richard Mann:

They're all still highway=bus_stop. I think I'd need some convincing
that public_transport=platform was appropriate for bus stops.
Public_transport=bus_stop, maybe.

Why change?

Richard

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Claudius Henrichsclaudiu...@gmx.de  wrote:
   

One question on the Naptan import: Did you use any tags from the
public_transport therefore? Or are these all highway=bus_stop?
Would be a great chance to increase coverage of the more detailed
public_transport=platform
Claudius
 


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